India S-400 Acquisition - News Updates and Discussions

[Covfefe]

Our domestic MIC is yet to mature. To tell you the truth many things we do not have the know how or will to build quality products.
Russkies MIC can give us some leverage when choosing our weapons. If full pivot to US camp is done say bye bye to strategic independence or autonomy. We will become another japan at best or another Pakistan type randi at worst.

I didn't say we should leave the Ruskie camp, I said that we might find it increasingly difficult to stay there, in times to come. It depends a lot on Muricans response actually- you cannot reap economic benefits of association on one hand and play the "sovereignty" card with equal footing on the other. Think of it the other way round, what will Russia buy from India? Can they substitute the US and EU trading block?
If India is willing to live with sanctioned economy for the sake of defence hardware autonomy, it'll go ahead but given the hunger for development in the masses now I hardly think so. Even after an active military action at the border, we didn't completely stop Chinese investments- they are the biggest partners in a lot of VC firms that fund India's unicorns . For us Economy>>>> , for now.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Is Putin's arrival time in India some state secret ?

 

[Love Charger]

Is Putin's arrival time in India some state secret ?

5 30 pm

 

[BabaKhalbali]

 

[Covfefe]

Ohh man, you would expect better sentences from Russian foreign ministers. These guys just never learned diplomacy

 

[Love Charger]

Ohh man, you would expect better sentences from Russian foreign ministers. These guys just never learned diplomacy

They come from same place , whose leader banged his shoes on the tables of UNGA

 

[ezsasa]

Ohh man, you would expect better sentences from Russian foreign ministers. These guys just never learned diplomacy

Putin and Biden has a phone call tomorrow, can be seen in that context.
everyone has to look after their own self-interest.

 

[Kumata]

Ohh man, you would expect better sentences from Russian foreign ministers. These guys just never learned diplomacy

Isn't that truth actually ... US is being big brother here since they cannot see them loosing the paper bills.. diplomacy is a joke...anyways.. have served zero for us atleast..

 

[Covfefe]

Isn't that truth actually ... US is being big brother here since they cannot see them loosing the paper bills.. diplomacy is a joke...anyways.. have served zero for us atleast..

When has the truth got anything to do with diplomacy

 

[Kumata]

When has the truth got anything to do with diplomacy

Here it has.

It,s Our money , Us who decide what we buy and what not... despite knowing fully the same, Biden and his cahoots are un necessarily poking into our internal matters...

 

[Covfefe]

Here it has.

It,s Our money , Us who decide what we buy and what not... despite knowing fully the same, Biden and his cahoots are un necessarily poking into our internal matters...

Wish it worked like that. They can say the same about the trade deals, technology and exports

 

[Kumata]

Wish it worked like that. They can say the same about the trade deals, technology and exports

Right... U can't bitch when the ruskies are getting their share of paper ..... and sing praises when when u r getting the paper bills...

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Russia India Summit:
India cuss China Pakistan.
Russia cuss America.

Dasvidaniya.

I forsee that major deals with the Russians in the future will be a black box..
Most likely we will be playing billions of dollars for assembly and manufacture of Russian products in India ( like hypersonic cruise missiles, or SAM Systems), and pass them off as Indian products..
I guess the 10 year Military technical agreement with "Joint Production of military equipment" deals with that. There will be no formal major deals with sanctioned Russian entities.

Wink wink. Nod Nod

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Ohh man, you would expect better sentences from Russian foreign ministers. These guys just never learned diplomacy

Lavrov is considered to be among the best and most seasoned diplomats in the world..

 

[Covfefe]

Lavrov is considered to be among the best and most seasoned diplomats in the world..

Some background?

 

[IndianHawk]

Lavrov is considered to be among the best and most seasoned diplomats in the world..

The amount of sactions Russia is buried under doesn't do much credit to Lavrov.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

The amount of sactions Russia is buried under doesn't do much credit to Lavrov.

Any UN sanctions there ?
US sanctions are a given, unless Russia rolls over and dismantles itself..

 

[IndianHawk]

Any UN sanctions there ?
US sanctions are a given, unless Russia rolls over and dismantles itself..

European sactions is where russian diplomacy failed. There relationship with france and Germany is deteriorating.

 

[Covfefe]

@ezsasa all this discussion is too OT for this thread. Please move these to Foreign Affairs thread

 

[jackprince]

Any big ticket item, hardly. A dozen of old Migs and Sukhois won't matter to the Muricans. They just don't want the Indian money to be part of oxygen that keeps the Ruskies defence industry alive.

India is leasing 2 chakras. Nuclear Subs are much bigger big ticket item than S-500.

Actually, the reason USA threatened India with CAATSA is not going to be valid for S-500. USA Military Industry hoped to trap India too in the F-35, which went sideways as soon as India didn't compromise with buying S-400 deal. So, S-500 would not be a problem. The fact is USA, at current relationship with India, can't impose arbitrary CAATSA sanctions that might hurt India badly on economic front, especially since the Chinese Biden would have to answer why the same or in fact more stringent sanctions aren't imposed on China which is declared rival of USA.

Yes, India should strengthen diplomatic ties with USA and wait till reports from the operators of S-400 comes in coming days regarding its actual effectiveness, before India might think about getting S-500. But, if India feels it would absolutely need S-500s, it will get them. But, more than S-500s, India first have many more emergency procurements like more AWACS, fighters, refuelers etc. Lets not get ourselves into a needless worry just yet.