India S-400 Acquisition - News Updates and Discussions

[SajeevJino]

Do you have any backing to the above statement or is it wishful thinking?

Chinese are not fools, never think your adversary as foolish or incompetent; you end up like Pakistan.

meh, you can change Pakistan into India

that suits the statement so well

 

[SajeevJino]

View attachment 107948they did this in recent timeline of two years more or less

oh come on man, do you know when was the Akash program initiated, and when the Astra program initiated

they just did some touch up in those base models and throwing new name and you all falling in it , have fun

 

[SajeevJino]

What is IACCS? Israeli or French?

It's desi, but its like a central server of whole Radar network, it only sees and shares info, no attack or no command transfer or no coordinate

In the short to medium term, I agree, but we need to switch to CIWS and Iron Dome type of system ASAP. Army has stated a C-RAM requirement in their TPCR. Lets see if something comes up in DefExpo next year.

Shilka upgarded well with a AESA radar and work as standalone system, Iron dome won't suit us, what we need is a new system to tackle swarm of UAVS and suicide drones

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

It's desi, but its like a central server of whole Radar network, it only sees and shares info, no attack or no command transfer or no coordinate

You mean IACCS doesn't share targeting data, weapons tracks, etc i.e. it has no Cooperative Engagement Capability? Yeah, but it can form a single air-situation picture and can seamlessly task particular assets (AD or CAP) to take on particular threats. Cooperative Engagement would definitely be an upgrade to IACCS and they might be working on it seeing as Navy has already implemented it. But its not the network hardware itself which is the bottleneck, right? Its the on-site processing power and interation of various systems which is the bottleneck. Maybe once the new AESA radars from DRDO (HPR, Arudhra MPR, ADTCR, etc) finally get inducted into IAF en-masse, DRDO can start incorporating cooperative engagement capability in the Indian AD grid.
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BTW, I remember you having a blog. Is it still up and running? Link please.
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oh come on man, do you know when was the Akash program initiated, and when the Astra program initiated

they just did some touch up in those base models and throwing new name and you all falling in it , have fun

Akash NG still got done in reasonable time. So did QRSAM. Those are completely new systems including new radars, etc. Not mere "touch-ups".

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

Video is less about S-400 specifically and more about general concepts in SEAD, but still.
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[SimplyIndian]

@Mod,
Could you put this in appropriate thread.

Russian S-400 air defence systems begin arriving in India

After China and Turkey, Russia begins supplying S-400 Air Defence Systems to India

The S-400 Triumf surface-to-air missile system has already entered service in China and Turkey.

zeenews.india.com

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[Hari Sud]

Can S-400 system together with Indian made air defence system stop a Pakistani nuclear missile? If it does, then this expense is worth it. After the missile is stopped, it should be dropped over a Pakistani city and forced to explode. That will knock some sense into over anxious Pakistani politicians and generals.

 

[WolfPack86]

Russia starts delivery of S-400 to India. Here’s all about the surface-to-air missile system
Russia has started delivering the S-400 Triumf surface-to-air missile system to India, the director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) Dmitry Shugaev has said.

"The supplies of the S-400 air defence system to India have started and are proceeding on schedule," Shugaev told Sputnik ahead of the Dubai Airshow.

The S-400 Triumf air defence missile system will give a major boost to India’s capabilities to take out enemy fighter aircraft and cruise missiles at long range. The Indian Air Force (IAF) will induct the first unit of S-400 systems at a time when India is locked in a standoff with China in the Ladakh sector.

China has already deployed two S-400 squadrons at Ngari Gar Gunsa and Nyingchi airbase in Tibet, across Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh respectively.

News agency ANI reported citing people familiar with the development that the air defence system have started reaching India. They added the system will be first deployed at a location close to the western border of the country from where it can tackle threats from both parts of the borders with Pakistan and China.

The S-400 air defence system was contracted for by India in a deal worth around ₹35,000 crore and five squadrons would be provided to India for tacking air threats.

The news agency reported citing the people mentioned above that system is being brought to India through both sea and air routes. The first squadron deliveries are expected to be complete by the end of this year.

The air defence system would give India an edge as they would be able to take out enemy aircraft and cruise missiles from a distance of 400km.

The S-400 missile defence system is equipped with four different missiles, which can engage enemy aircraft, ballistic missiles, and Airborne Warning And Control System (AWACS) planes at 400km, 250km, the medium-range 120km and the short-range 40km.

The IAF, whose officers and personnel have trained in Russia on the system, will start focusing on the eastern borders along with providing resources for training of personnel within the country after the first squadron is deployed, the officials told ANI.

India signed a $5.43 billion deal with Russia for five S-400 regiments in October 2018 and officials have said that all deliveries are to be completed within five years.

Russia starts delivery of S-400 to India. Here’s all about the surface-to-air missile system

The S-400 Triumf air defence missile system will give a major boost to India’s capabilities to take out enemy fighter aircraft and cruise missiles at long range.

www.hindustantimes.com

 

[JBH22]

Any Idea Indian S-400 will be based on Indian or Russian made trucks??

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

India signed a $5.43 billion deal with Russia for five S-400 regiments in October 2018 and officials have said that all deliveries are to be completed within five years.

Here is the confusing part. This PIB document mentions that we are ordering 5 "Firing Units", not 5 "Regiments" of S-400.

Now in Air Force, there are Air Defence Squadrons (instead of Regiments like in Army) and each Air Force AD Squadron has 2 Firing Units.
A Firing Unit in Air Force terms is the equivalent of a Battery in Army terms.

So we haven't ordered 5 Regiments of S-400, rather we've ordered just 5 batteries?

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Here is the confusing part. This PIB document mentions that we are ordering 5 "Firing Units", not 5 "Regiments" of S-400.
Now in Air Force, there are Air Defence Squadrons (instead of Regiments like in Army) and each Air Force AD Squadron has 2 Firing Units.
A Firing Unit in Air Force terms is the equivalent of a Battery in Army terms.

So we haven't ordered 5 Regiments of S-400, rather we've ordered just 5 batteries?

As per this article a battery has 2 battalions comprising 16 launchers in total .. That's pretty heavy..

Russia to deliver S-400 by 2021-end, but will supply missiles and bombs amid LAC tensions

The S-400 is capable of destroying incoming hostile aircraft, missiles and even drones within a range of up to 400 km. It has a tracking capability of nearly 600 km.

theprint.in

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

As per this article a battery has 2 battalions comprising 16 launchers in total .. That's pretty heavy..

Russia to deliver S-400 by 2021-end, but will supply missiles and bombs amid LAC tensions

The S-400 is capable of destroying incoming hostile aircraft, missiles and even drones within a range of up to 400 km. It has a tracking capability of nearly 600 km.

theprint.in

Don't know what the source of this article is, but what I posted is straight from Government's mouth: PIB.
But then again, the cost of the deal is too high for it to be just 5 batteries of S-400.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Delivery has started!

Two S-400s systems shipped to India ahead of Vladimir Putin's visit

The deployment of the missile systems - with support from Russian specialists - is expected to take place over the next two-three months, ET has learnt.

m.economictimes.com

 

[ezsasa]

Delivery has started!

Two S-400s systems shipped to India ahead of Vladimir Putin's visit

The deployment of the missile systems - with support from Russian specialists - is expected to take place over the next two-three months, ET has learnt.

m.economictimes.com

didn’t the first S400 first delivery of Chinese consignment sink somewhere?

 

[FalconSlayers]

didn’t the first S400 first delivery of Chinese consignment sink somewhere?

I did hear that

 

[Brood Father]

didn’t the first S400 first delivery of Chinese consignment sink somewhere?

What were they using Chinese ships for freight ..

 

[Akula]

didn’t the first S400 first delivery of Chinese consignment sink somewhere?

The consignment got damaged due to storm in sea.

 

[Dessert Storm]

Delivery has started!

Two S-400s systems shipped to India ahead of Vladimir Putin's visit

The deployment of the missile systems - with support from Russian specialists - is expected to take place over the next two-three months, ET has learnt.

m.economictimes.com

This YT channel says 2 delivered already. The guy's pretty reliable.
Edit: 2 units is ambiguous. Maybe it's to be kept that ways.

 

[FalconSlayers]

This YT channel says 2 delivered already. The guy's pretty reliable.
Edit: 2 units is ambiguous. Maybe it's to be kept that ways.

My post you quoted has an article that says the same