India S-400 Acquisition - News Updates and Discussions

[lcafanboy]

Where did you get that info from? It's very interesting, any links.

http://*****************/threads/india-eyes-russian-s-400-triumf-associated-news.55394/

Read the above post especially Of guys called Parikrama, Vstol Jockey & Randomradio.

 

[mayfair]

I have no doubt that all of them can engage everything except fighter jets.

I belive give the size of the 48N6E and 40N6, they can't out turn a fighter jet.

I think what matters is that systems such as S400 will not be deployed isolation. They'll be a part of a comprehensive, thick web of layered BMD/air-defence systems that will have slightly overlapping, yet largely comprehensive roles.

Bringing all this together will be a tall ask and the learning curve quite steep, since more varied systems we integrate, the more complicated it will become to derive a coherent air defence system.

But when it comes to shielding the country, there's no overkill. Baki nuke bluff is being systematically and surely being called- Surgical strikes were Phase I BMD/ADS and shoring up offensive capability will be phase II. There are very very long term plans.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

I think what matters is that systems such as S400 will not be deployed isolation. They'll be a part of a comprehensive, thick web of layered BMD/air-defence systems that will have slightly overlapping, yet largely comprehensive roles.

Bringing all this together will be a tall ask and the learning curve quite steep, since more varied systems we integrate, the more complicated it will become to derive a coherent air defence system.

But when it comes to shielding the country, there's no overkill. Baki nuke bluff is being systematically and surely being called- Surgical strikes were Phase I BMD/ADS and shoring up offensive capability will be phase II. There are very very long term plans.

In some other forum discussion I read that india is buying less number of 9M96 E and going for the other two since we have other systems in palce for d job of 9M96 E.

 

[gadeshi]

In some other forum discussion I read that india is buying less number of 9M96 E and going for the other two since we have other systems in palce for d job of 9M96 E.

Almaz-Antei has stated that it is ready to TOT 9M96 tech to a potential privileged customer.

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[bengalraider]

China buys 6 systems @ 3 billion $.
India buys 5 systems @ 5 billion $.
Guys, what am I missing here?

China has bought six fire units with three BMS command units

the S400 system composition has four core components:

1. The 30K6E battle management system, comprising the 55K6E Command Post and 91N6E Big Bird acquisition radar;
2. Up to six 98Zh6E Fire Units, each comprising a 92N6E Grave Stone “multimode” engagement radar, up to twelve 5P85SE2 / 5P85TE2 TELs, each TEL armed with up to four 48N6E2/E3 missiles;
3. A complement of SAM rounds, comprising arbitrary mixes of the 48N6E, 48N6E2 and 48N6E3;
4. The 30Ts6E logistical support system, comprising missile storage, test and maintenance equipments.

All system components are carried by self-propelled wheeled all-terrain chassis, and have autonomous power supplies, navigation and geo-location systems, communications and life support equipment. Mains power grid converters are installed for fixed site operations.

The Indian Deal AFAIK includes at least ten fire units with 5 command posts, this also mean the system can be scaled up later with more fire units as and when necessary.
The Russians have deployed 152 launchers in approx 19 fire units as on date.

 

[bengalraider]

Almaz-Antei has stated that it is ready to TOT 9M96 tech to a potential privileged customer.

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Part of the deal between Almaz and Reliance provides for limited tech transfer for production of non core components & consumable spares(except missiles) in India

 

[bengalraider]

@gadeshi any news on whether we're getting the Pantsyr Bodyguard as well?

 

[Adioz]

@gadeshi any news on whether we're getting the Pantsyr Bodyguard as well?

Will that requirement not be met by indigenous QRSAM+AAA?
AFAIK, Pantsyr is a next gen Tunguska. No need for different systems with same roles. Increases logistical strain. Can we not rely on QRSAM and AAA for point defence of the S-400s?

 

[bengalraider]

Wrote a bit about the implications of the S400 in the Subcontinent
do read and let me know
http://bengalraider.blogspot.in/2016/10/raising-shield-implications-of-s400-in.html

 

[gadeshi]

@gadeshi any news on whether we're getting the Pantsyr Bodyguard as well?

Sorry bro, no info at the moment.
Frankly to say I believed you'll get it by default (as it is default assets for Russian S-400), but...

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[bengalraider]

Will that requirement not be met by indigenous QRSAM+AAA?
AFAIK, Pantsyr is a next gen Tunguska. No need for different systems with same roles. Increases logistical strain. Can we not rely on QRSAM and AAA for point defence of the S-400s?

Indigenous QRSAM still a few years away from deployment, we will need dedicated bodyguards for the S400. Tungushkas are attached to strike columns. We are looking for more modern SPAAGs lesse which one makes it.

 

[gadeshi]

Will that requirement not be met by indigenous QRSAM+AAA?
AFAIK, Pantsyr is a next gen Tunguska. No need for different systems with same roles. Increases logistical strain. Can we not rely on QRSAM and AAA for point defence of the S-400s?

Heavy SAMs need to rely on point-defence systems on routes, reloads and position changes. So

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[ash2win]

India will have twice more spares missiles and partial TOT for MII program which China will not.

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Will it have 77N6-N and 77N6-N ABM systems?

 

[gadeshi]

Will it have 77N6-N and 77N6-N ABM systems?

Wow, wow...
Hold your horses, man
70N6 and 77N6 are part of S-500 Prometheus systems, not S-400
S-500 will start to go to Russian regiments the next year only (optimistic estimates).
So this will be ready for export not earlier than 2020.

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[ash2win]

Wow, wow...
Hold your horses, man
70N6 and 77N6 are part of S-500 Prometheus systems, not S-400
S-500 will start to go to Russian regiments the next year only (optimistic estimates).
So this will be ready for export not earlier than 2020.

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We can always upgrade

+ Morfey air defence system

 

[tharun]

Again posted this some months ago repeating here.
We are undertaking a complete overhaul of our AD this includes.
1) BMD- AAD+PAD+AD1+AD2
2)LRSAM-S400
3)MRSAM 1-BARAK 8
4)MRSAM 2-AKASH
5)SRSAM 1 - SPYDER
6)SRSAM 2- SOSNA-R
6) SPAAG- TUNGUSHGKA + PANTSYR( bodyguard for S400)+ Under another SPAAG to be made under MakeinIndia under selection.
7)AA guns- L70 mod + ZSU mod + modern under selection.

Every thing is fine...but few modifications..
4) AKASH range should be increased to 35-50km with canister launched
6) We should replace SOSNA-R with spyder missiles
7)We can also create our own pantsir-s1...with python or derby missiles if made in india..because pantsir s1 missiles are same weight category of python..
8)AA guns should be replaced with close in weapon like system...to protect air bases and landing strips from glide bombs..

 

[gadeshi]

Every thing is fine...but few modifications..
4) AKASH range should be increased to 35-50km with canister launched
6) We should replace SOSNA-R with spyder missiles
7)We can also create our own pantsir-s1...with python or derby missiles if made in india..because pantsir s1 missiles are same weight category of python..
8)AA guns should be replaced with close in weapon like system...to protect air bases and landing strips from glide bombs..

Sorry bro but this post is a total BS.


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[sayareakd]

Suddenly our air defence and missile defence looks very potent.

From igla, akash, upgraded panchora, barak8, s300, s400, AAD, PAD and PDV. Looks great on paper.

They need to make it operational with network centric grid system.

 

[Nicky G]

The Russian S-400 Triumf system that India has bought is a game changer

At one point in the Syrian conflict when it appeared a walk in the park for the Nato forces — when Turkish fighters were all over the Syrian airspace, when they even downed a Russian SU-24 fighter for alleged airspace violations — Russia decided to step in forcefully to alter equations. How? By deployed its latest S-400 Triumf air defence system.

There were a lot of other moves the Russians made, many in tandem with China at the political level. But the immediate game changer happened in the battlefield dynamics. Suddenly, the Turkish F-16s went miles out of Syrian airspace. They even stopped coming close to avoid an accidental provocation.

Unfair Advantage

Instead, Ankara reversed its policy to invite Russia to bid in a tender to build an anti-missile defence system. The US and its Nato command were stunned at the Russian deployment.

With that one move, Moscow sent out the message that it wasn’t posturing, but digging its heels in nice and proper in Syria. A single weapons system had fundamentally altered the balance of power in the Syrian battlefield and outside.

It’s the same S-400 Triumf system on which Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin shook hands and firmed up a deal last week in Goa. India will buy five of them at an estimated deal price of Rs 30,000 crore.

It was the item with the biggest price tag on the defence bill. But it’s the one that fills up a critical missing piece in India’s air defence system. So why is the S-400 such a game changer? Put simply, it’s a mobile platform that can launch eight missiles at one go and at a speed faster than most fighter aircraft.

But the critical bit is its sophisticated jamming-resistant panoramic radar that can detect a plane as far as 600 km away. And its missiles can engage the target at a range of 400 km onwards.


Chinese are also buying six S-400s from Russia.

Significantly, it can also zero in to a moving target much more accurately. There’s no other system with such range. The best US counter is the Patriot missile system with a range of about 100 km.

The S-400 would virtually cover most of Pakistan. Which means Pakistani fighters would become greatly vulnerable, tilting all battlefield equations against the Pakistan Air Force.

India plans to deploy three of these against Pakistan and two against China, one each on the western and eastern sectors of the Line of Actual Control (LoAC).

The calculus is that even the Chinese would have to depend largely on their aerial capabilities for any deep offensive into India. So, this acts as a major deterrent.

Interestingly, the Chinese are also buying six S-400s from Russia. But Beijing’s plans are to deploy them largely against any US-led thrust. In many ways, this system could end up reconfiguring the deterrent matrix in the region over a period of time.

But strictly from an Indian context, the spin-offs on strategic decisionmaking would be almost immediate: one that will provide more latitude and security to the political authority, at least on the volatile Pakistan front.

The first effect is on the roundingoff of India’s three-tier air defence loop. At the first level are short-range surface-to-air missiles, basically the indigenously-developed Akash with a 20-40 km range. Then, the mediumrange surface-to-air missile of about 70 km range. And now the S-400s.

Gunning for Triumf

Add to that the quick reaction surface-to-air missile India is developing with Israel, and Indian air defence preparedness looks quite solid. The next level could be the missile shield, which is still technologically in the works. Missile-based air defence is more of an old Soviet concept.

The US depended on aircraft-based systems, the idea being that best air defence is possible by looking top-down, not down-up — a compelling logic that, however, works best when political authority has the flexibility to allow its air force to operate well beyond its own airspace. This is easier for the US or a military alliance like the Nato.

For India facing a volatile adversary like Pakistan, air space violations are at best adventurous; at worst, catastrophic. A slight movement of troops can lead to a scramble of jets. It happened in 2008 when an R&AW plane ran a reconnaissance sortie along the LoC after the Mumbai attacks. Even this time, air forces on both sides ran hectic exercises after the Uri attack.

The S-400 system increases risks for the Pakistan Air Force several times over. Also, the ‘keep-off limits’ message is a useful deterrent. It also helps isolate any rogue or terrorist controlled aircraft well before it reaches the Indian airspace providing crucial time to the political authority to reach a decision.

Which is why one of the main purposes of the S-400 is to be used for protection of vital installations like nuclear plants, communication hubs and cities. Russia has deployed one S-400 just for the air defence of Moscow.

India will still have its ‘top-down’ capabilities by way of a single-engine fighter fleet and Airborne Warning and Control Systems (Awacs).

But their future projections may need to be scaled down after this buy. As for India and Russia, the ‘old friend’ narrative has acquired a fresh new look. The odd military exercise with Pakistan is of little consequence.

 

[Zebra]

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Published on Apr 10, 2015 , by Mparovios3000