India S-400 Acquisition - News Updates and Discussions

[bengalraider]

There is no harm in upgrading Russian SAM systems in the inventory currently.

We are upgrading the Pechoras and the Strelas.

 

[tharun]

Actually no We are developing the MAITRI as a Desi replacement of the SPYDER. We need to go indigenous in the long term.

But $5 billion dollar is too much for french, we should go for israel..........
How many SPYDER systems do we have?

 

[tharun]

@bengalraider
if i may add beyond the isreali sword fish and lrtr radars there is also another solution which we are using now more aggressively.

We are now using aerostats more aggressively. DRDO plans are also aggressive in this segment.

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The Nakshatra aerostat system aims to track a 450 kms radius, which is about four times the present 110 kms radius surveillance track of Akashdeep. The system being developed by the Aerial Delivery Research and Development Establishment (ADRDE), Agra can be tested up to 4.5 kms altitude, with a payload capacity of 800 kg to 1000 kg and will be 17,000 cubic meter volume.

Not much has been heard of the project since last two years. However, its scientists claim that the Akashdeep project is ready for use along borders, which has been tested at a height of 1 km with a payload of 300 kg.

so basically akashdeep at 110 km and nakhastra at 450 km feeds into our command system and acts as multiple point of detection even if topographical challenges exists for Long Ranged Radars

Nakshatra would be tested this year by the looks of a tender - Invitation of Bids for Hiring of Aerial Access platform for trial of Nakshatra Aerostat at Agra
http://eprocure.gov.in/epublish/app?page=FrontEndTenderDetailsExternal&service=page&tnid=383015

so basically this will provide us a much better lower cost solution with far better coverage scope

But these things in air will be east target for air-air missiles?

 

[garg_bharat]

We are upgrading the Pechoras and the Strelas.

Osam and kub should be upgraded as well.

The need is massive and replacements will take time.

 

[garg_bharat]

But $5 billion dollar is too much for french, we should go for israel..........
How many SPYDER systems do we have?

The reported number is 6b, but it is not clear how much was paid.

Main issue is delay as urgently needed capability is nowhere close.

 

[tharun]

How about Israel's david sling it had a range of 300km, we can maodofy it for 400km+
How much range is of iron dome system

 

[bengalraider]

But $5 billion dollar is too much for french, we should go for israel..........
How many SPYDER systems do we have?

We ordered 18, six were confirmed delivered by 2013. Dunno about the last three years.

 

[bengalraider]

How about Israel's david sling it had a range of 300km, we can maodofy it for 400km+
How much range is of iron dome system

David's sling is a joint Israeli American product , was offered to us in 2010.

 

[bengalraider]

But these things in air will be east target for air-air missiles?

Their bodyguard SPAAG systems will have to handle that.

 

[bengalraider]

How about Israel's david sling it had a range of 300km, we can maodofy it for 400km+
How much range is of iron dome system

Iron dome kill radius is from 4km to 70 km. The Israelis are trying to extend it to 250km.

 

[tharun]

Iron dome kill radius is from 4km to 70 km. The Israelis are trying to extend it to 250km.

70km range is it better than SPYDER system

 

[Chinmoy]

Actually no We are developing the MAITRI as a Desi replacement of the SPYDER. We need to go indigenous in the long term.

As far as my knowledge goes, MAITRI project has been revived to provide IN with a QRSAM as Akash was not fit for warship integration. But with the induction of BARAK 8 and work on ER version going on, do we really need MAITRI for IN?

 

[bengalraider]

70km range is it better than SPYDER system

Much better in terms of range but iron dome is not designed to stop aircraft like SPYDER is. It's designed to stop short range projectiles only.

 

[bengalraider]

As far as my knowledge goes, MAITRI project has been revived to provide IN with a QRSAM as Akash was not fit for warship integration. But with the induction of BARAK 8 and work on ER version going on, do we really need MAITRI for IN?

The IN wants two types of SAMs
1) a point defence SAM currently the BARAK-1 fills this role.
2) a LRSAM The BARAK-8 will fill this role.

Maitri will replace the BARAK 1, Trishul not Akash was supposed to fill that role.

 

[Arihant]

Russia-India draft agreement on supply of S-400 ready
29 March 2016 TASS
At the end of 2015, Indian media reported that the Defense Acquisition Council approved the purchase of the S-400 systems. The contract cost may reach $6 billion

Russia’s Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) has prepared a draft agreement on the supply to India of the S-400 antiaircraft defense missile systems and now is awaiting a response from the partners, FSMTC deputy head Vladimir Drozhzhov told reporters on Tuesday.

"The Federal Service has prepared a draft intergovernmental agreement on the supply of the S-400 systems to India and passed it to our partners, so we are awaiting a response," the official said at the Defexpo India 2016 exhibition.

At the end of 2015, Indian media reported that the Indian government’s Defense Acquisition Council approved the purchase of the S-400 systems. According to the local press, the contract cost may reach 400 billion Indian rupees ($6 billion).

S-400 Triumph (NATO reporting name: SA-21 Growler) is Russia’s newest long-range anti-aircraft missile system that went into service in 2007 and is designed to destroy aircraft, cruise and ballistic missiles, including medium-range missiles. The systems can also be used against ground objectives and can reportedly carry three different types of missiles. The S-400 range is 400 km. China has become the first international customer of Russia’s most advanced medium-and long-range antiaircraft missile system. In April 2015, China made an advance payment under a contract for the procurement of four to six Russian-made S-400 Triumph, Rostec CEO Sergei Chemezov told TASS then.

Compared with the S-300 (SA-10 Grumble), the S-400 Triumph can destroy a much wider range of threats travelling at a speed of 4,800 m/s, e.g. intermediate-range ballistic missiles with a range of 3,000-3,500 km. It also can handle pinpoint targets and stealthy threats at a range extended by 50% owing to an increase in the power generation capabilities of the 91N6E radar system and 92N6E multirole radar. The introduction of advanced electronic countermeasures (ECM) resistance solutions has boosted the system’s ECM immunity by several times. Finally, its reliability has grown and its size and power consumption have dropped owing to its cutting-edge electronics, sophisticated self-contained power supply and advanced vehicles.

The Defexpo India 2016 international exhibition is held in Quitol in the state of Goa in India on March 28-31. During the exhibition, the Russian arms exporter Rosoboronexport is planning to hold talks with Indian partners to discuss joint projects for the Indian Armed Forces’ further upgrade.


http://in.rbth.com/economics/defenc...aft-agreement-on-supply-of-s-400-ready_579871

 

[Immanuel]

Anyhoo Just to easily explain what we are upto with the S400, we shall be mating the system to our own swordfish AESA LRTR radars built by DRDO with a detection radius of 800km.We are also developing a new improved swordfish with a 1500km detection range.
Just to give you all a clearer idea of the capabilities coming our way i made the graphics below.

1) Indian Radar Coverage with 5 Swordfish LRTR
Radars placed at Thirvuvanthanapuram, Guwahati,Bhuj ,Port Blair & Manali

We shall be able to see everything flying in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Kyrgyzstan, Myanmar,Bangladesh,Thailand,Cambodia, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan and most of Western China once these bad boys are deployed.

2) Indian SAM coverage with 6 S400 units
Units placed near Bhuj, Bikaner, Jammu, Bareilly, Gangtok and Dibrugarh

Look to the west we shall be be able to dominate Karachi, Hyderabad, Lahore, Islamabad, Sargodha , Rawalpindi and the Whole of Pakistan east of the Indus with only three S400 batteries.

Great work!! That said, the initial buy is for 6 full scale regiments and not batteries, a full scale regiment has upto 4 independent battallions each with 4 fire units, thus a full scale regiment as a whole can deploy 300+ missiles and each battallion can be upto a 100 km away from the Regiment's command centre. I am sure we will order atleast another 6-7 full scale regiments as part of 'Make in India' around 2019/2020. Eventually by around 2025, the S-400 will form a formidable protective net across India and Andaman.

The S-400 is a rapid deployment system i.e they can set-up in under 5 mins, shoot and scoot. Based out of tactically placed ultra classified hardered underground shelters some even within 20 km of the border, the S-400's web of kill radius can thus extend deep into Pak.

 

[cobra commando]

Russia, India Sign Agreement on S-400 Defense Systems Deliveries

New Delhi and Moscow have signed an agreement on the deliveries of S-400 air defense systems, Indian Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar said Wednesday.
"We've signed that agreement," Parrikar said. When asked to give a date on the first deliveries of the defense system, Parrikar said, "It's hard to say, but as soon as possible."

http://sputniknews.com/military/20160427/1038700792/russia-india-s400.html

 

[SajeevJino]

India signed a contract for the purchase of Russian S-400 - the head of the Indian Ministry of Defense

Moscow. 27 April. Interfax-AVN - India has signed a contract with Russia for the supply of anti-aircraft missile systems (AAMS) S-400, expect their fast delivery, she said on Wednesday the Minister of State for Defence of India Jaswant Singh . "Yes, we have signed a contract for the supply of these systems," - the Minister said,

responding to a question of "Interfax. "It's hard to say when (will be the first delivery, -" IF "), but we expect them as soon as possible" - added Dzh.Singh. S-400 "Triumph" development and production of the Group of EKR "Almaz-Antey" is designed to defeat high-performance aircraft strategic and tactical aircraft, ballistic missiles, hypersonic targets and other air threats in conditions of electronic and other forms of resistance.

https://translate.google.ru/transla...://militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=411314

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[SajeevJino]

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Well @cobra commando looks for any Indian media report... I don't believe those Russian media, one says MoS of defense other says Def minister

 

[Chinmoy]

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Well @cobra commando looks for any Indian media report... I don't believe those Russian media, one says MoS of defense other says Def minister

Something like this?

Russia and India have signed a contract for the supply of advanced S-400 air defense systems, a senior Indian defense official has said. The delivery will happen “as soon as possible.”
The signing of the contract has been confirmed by Rao Inderjit Singh, Minister of State for Defense Production of India, at an international security forum in Moscow, RIA Novosti and Interfax news agencies reported.

“We have signed this contract,” Singh told Interfax. As for the start of deliveries of the order, he noted "it is difficult to say. As soon as possible."

Russia's Defense Ministry has not yet commented on the reports.

The S-400 is the latest and most advanced of the long-range surface-to-air missiles produced by Russia. The Russian military is the only operator of the system, but China and India are expected to be the first foreign nations to receive it.

Media reports in 2015 said that India wants to buy five S-400 battalions.

Russia recently delivered a previous-generation S-300 variant of the air defense system to Iran, implementing a key defense deal between the two countries after lengthy discussions.

https://www.rt.com/news/341114-russia-india-sale-s-400/