India, Raytheon Negotiate ISTAR Buy

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NEW DELHI — The Indian Air Force (IAF) is negotiating purchase of two intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition reconnaissance (ISTAR) aircraft from Raytheon to boost its ground-detection capabilities.

Negotiations got a push after a visit by US Vice President Joseph Biden to New Delhi July 23, and a team from Raytheon briefed IAF officials here on the ISTAR capabilities on Oct. 11, said a source in the Ministry of Defence.

An executive of Raytheon here said their team has briefed IAF officials, but provided no details.

IAF interest in ISTAR capabilities was boosted by allied operations in Libya.

"The U.S.-led operations in Afghanistan and the Operation Ellamy in Libya have brought to light the use of ISTAR aircraft and IAF decided to acquire these capabilities," said a retired IAF official.

IAF shortlisted Raytheon after evaluating responses to a request for information sent in 2011 to Thales, Boeing, BAE, Elta and Raytheon. IAF proposes to purchase two ISTAR aircraft from Raytheon on a government-to-government basis at a cost of about $350 million each. Raytheon has offered a Gulfstream platform for the aircraft but has left it open for the IAF to make its own platform selection.

The ISTAR aircraft will use active electronically scanned array radar and be able to scan more than 30,000 kilometers in a minute and analyze the data in 10 to 15 minutes to identify targets. The system would operate in all weather, day and night.

To cover India's lengthy borders, the ISTAR surveillance aircraft would need to fly as high as 40,000 feet , said an IAF official.

When acquired, the ISTAR aircraft will be integrated with India's indigenous air command and control system (IACCS).

Being built on the lines of NATO's air command-and-control system, IACCS will handle air traffic control, surveillance, air mission control, airspace management and force management functions, added the IAF official. IAF's airborne warning and control system (AWACS), aerostat radars and other radars are being integrated with the IACCS, enabling quick transfer of data from various platforms to a central battlefield management system.

ISTAR aircraft are used against ground targets and for battlefield management, whereas the AWACS are meant for air defense and aerial targeting, said the IAF official. India also uses aerostat radars, which are mini versions of the AWACS and do not help in ground target acquisition.

The service also uses UAVs for surveillance and reconnaissance, but they have limited capabilities.



India, Raytheon Negotiate ISTAR Buy | Defense News | defensenews.com
 

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Raytheon Company: Airborne Stand-Off Reconnaissance (ASTOR)

Airborne Stand-Off Reconnaissance (ASTOR)

ASTOR, the Airborne Stand-Off Reconnaissance system integrated by Raytheon for the U.K. Ministry of Defence, is an advanced air-to-ground surveillance system that will be jointly operated by the RAF and the British Army. The program draws on Raytheon's considerable capability in advanced surveillance radar, communications, networking and systems integration. ASTOR provides the U.K. world-class capabilities within the network-enabled battlespace. The ASTOR system represents a new era in military operations planning and management, delivering more accurate information and increasing the speed of decision making.

The system provides a highly effective 24-hour surveillance and target acquisition capability. It delivers wide area, all weather surveillance and reconnaissance imagery in near real time for peacekeeping, warfighting and homeland security needs.

Designated as the Sentinel Project in service with the U.K., ASTOR uses the Bombardier Global Express business jet, known in service as the Sentinel R Mk 1, and an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar. The RAF Joint 5 (AC) Squadron Sentinel fleet comprises five aircraft and eight Ground Stations – six for tactical purposes and two at the operational level.

The MoD declared the Sentinel in service in November 2008. Since then, the system has deployed on two operational trials and is currently deployed on an enduring basis.

At the heart of the ASTOR system is a dual-mode synthetic aperture radar/moving target indicator (SAR/MTI) sensor. The SAR provides high-resolution images for decision makers and the MTI monitors the quantity, direction and speed of moving targets for unparalleled situational awareness. The imagery, which can be exploited both on board the aircraft and on the ground, is passed by secure data links to ground stations at all levels of command and control. By operating at high altitude, and at considerable long range stand-off distances, the radar platform is able to remain over safe territory while providing an excellent "look-down" angle of the target area.

The Sentinel's main operating base is at RAF Waddington, Lincolnshire, which houses Squadron Headquarters, maintenance, support and training facilities.

The ASTOR system capabilities have been tested extensively in preparation for operational, tactical and theater mission scenarios. ASTOR is designed to be interoperable with NATO and JSTARS assets. As prime contractor, Raytheon has been responsible for delivering full capability: hardware, software, infrastructure, training and a comprehensive CLS package. Over the course of the systems integration, Raytheon has worked closely with partners such as Bombardier, L-3, DE&S and General Dynamics. Raytheon UK (formerly Raytheon Systems Limited) continues to offer full mission support capabilities the U.K. Ministry of Defence to ensure that the ASTOR program is fully meeting the customer's needs.
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Capable as it may be, it's not going to happen, not unless India chooses to accept the following in totality -

1. End Use Monitoring Agreement (EUMA) -- accepted with some India specific clauses during INS Jalashwa purchase.
2. Communications Interoperability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMoA).
3. Mutual Logistic Support Agreement (MLSA).

We even had to change/replace communications equipment on the C-130s with out own because of that, so how come does IAF expect this to go through ? Our best bet in such a case is Israel.

Just my 2 cents.
 

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Okay but DRDO can modify indigenous AEW&C aircraft for ground based targets and battlefield management. It seems the americans are lobbying desperately to sell this aircraft to India.
 

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The ISTAR aircraft will use active electronically scanned array radar and be able to scan more than 30,000 kilometers in a minute and analyze the data in 10 to 15 minutes to identify targets. The system would operate in all weather, day and night.
30 000 KM of Scanning Range ..is that Possible
 

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Capable as it may be, it's not going to happen, not unless India chooses to accept the following in totality -

1. End Use Monitoring Agreement (EUMA) -- accepted with some India specific clauses during INS Jalashwa purchase.
2. Communications Interoperability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMoA).
3. Mutual Logistic Support Agreement (MLSA).

We even had to change/replace communications equipment on the C-130s with out own because of that, so how come does IAF expect this to go through ? Our best bet in such a case is Israel.

Just my 2 cents.
india will just raise its middle finger then.if its not u.s ,then it will be some one else
 

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Capable as it may be, it's not going to happen, not unless India chooses to accept the following in totality -

1. End Use Monitoring Agreement (EUMA) -- accepted with some India specific clauses during INS Jalashwa purchase.
2. Communications Interoperability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMoA).
3. Mutual Logistic Support Agreement (MLSA).

We even had to change/replace communications equipment on the C-130s with out own because of that, so how come does IAF expect this to go through ? Our best bet in such a case is Israel.

Just my 2 cents.
ins jalaswa is an old decommissioned naily to study the uses of such platform military and humanitarian operations, and buy/make using it as first.so signing euma is of less problem militarily
 

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30000 square kms.easy
So is that Possible to detect Chinese Tanks and Missile Launch vehicles with almost Chinese Border


Pardon me for asking

How much area is Covered by 30 000 Sq.KM ..Like Entire Africa or Entire Sri Lanka
 

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So is that Possible to detect Chinese Tanks and Missile Launch vehicles with almost Chinese Border


Pardon me for asking

How much area is Covered by 30 000 Sq.KM ..Like Entire Africa or Entire Sri Lanka
300 km length* 100 km breadth.not bad.

global hawk can scan 100000 km2 a day.once news emerged saying usa offered it to india
 

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India To Beef Up Airborne Surveillance With Raytheon ISTAR Aircraft


The Indian Air Force will increase surveillance along the country's lengthy borders with the acquisition of two intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition reconnaissance (ISTAR) aircraft worth $350 million from Raytheon.
The Indian Air Force has been recently briefed on the ISTAR aircraft capabilities by Raytheon officials, according Defense News..

India had issued a RFI in 2011 and shortlisted Raytheon after eliminating Thales, Boeing, BAE and Elta. Raytheon has offered a Gulfstream platform for the aircraft but has left it open for the IAF to make its own platform selection. This is the first news of Raytheon-IAF has come out post the down selection.
It is as yet unclear if the IAF will select the Gulfstream-Raytheon solution or have a platform of its own.
The ISTARs can to scan more than 30,000 kilometers in a minute and analyze the data in less than 15 minutes to identify targets. It will also use AESA radars and can operate in all weather, day and night.
When acquired, the ISTAR aircraft will be integrated with India's indigenous air command and control system (IACCS), the report added.
India is on a massive modernization of its air surveillance capabilities and has recently ordered the Boeing P8I maritime surveillance aircraft.

India To Beef Up Airborne Surveillance With Raytheon ISTAR Aircraft | idrw.org
 

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seems this aircraft is designed to identify ground targets that airborne ones
Indian Air Force is already operating three Gulfstream III jet (SRA IV) for reconnaissance operations.

LINK:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Indian_military_aircraft
 

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So is that Possible to detect Chinese Tanks and Missile Launch vehicles with almost Chinese Border


Pardon me for asking

How much area is Covered by 30 000 Sq.KM ..Like Entire Africa or Entire Sri Lanka
Something like the size of Bhutan, but square kilometers are tricky. For example, the aircraft might have the capability to penetrate deeper into China if it can focus its scan on one direction, rather than having a 360 degree scan, which wouldn't make sense because why would they scan inside India?

Members can correct me if i might be wrong.
 

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Indian Air Force is already operating three Gulfstream III jet (SRA IV) for reconnaissance operations.

LINK:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Indian_military_aircraft
gulf stream is specific to intelligence gathering imo.may be its far more superior to istar?some one pls clarify
 

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Something like the size of Bhutan, but square kilometers are tricky. For example, the aircraft might have the capability to penetrate deeper into China if it can focus its scan on one direction, rather than having a 360 degree scan, which wouldn't make sense because why would they scan inside India?

Members can correct me if i might be wrong.
nice catch
 

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ISTAR is a sensor suite, not an aircraft. ISTAR can be installed on many aircrafts, like the Gulfstream or Bombardier or Embraer.

gulf stream is specific to intelligence gathering imo.may be its far more superior to istar?some one pls clarify
 

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Any report that depicts the scan area as one dimensional unit needs to be trashed. The hint is already there. We scan an area, not a line. It has to be square kilometres. Shoddy reporting. This is one downside to the proliferation of internet and numerous sites. Anyone can write whatsoever hogwash he wants to, without knowing what he is writing.
 

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