Mindrapper
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Finally somebody is paying attention to "Ergonomics" . The BEML Gaur looks beast in its new Avatar.
I am waiting for that new improved Tatra truck by BEML .Shri Rajnath Singh, Hon’ble Raksha Mantri inaugurated BEML’s Industrial Design Centre virtually in the presence of Hon’ble RRM; Secy. Defence; Secy. Defence (Production) amongst others. IDC will focus on implementing Human Factors,benchmarking & Ergonomics.
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I think you getting confused. Kalyani group showed South African company "Paramount group" M4 MPV in Defexpo.not so soon, BEML GAUR is a south African company vehicle design. that company is a specialist in armoured vehicles.
Name of the company is here somewhere in DFI, had discussed this during defexpo 2020. I forgot the name.
this is some sort of babugiri, will have to wait for more details.
BEML better buyout the design exclusively, otherwise it would be awkward if the same design vehicle is seen in the hands of some African warlord.
You are right. My bad..I think you getting confused. Kalyani group showed South African company "Paramount group" M4 MPV in Defexpo.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
The list is just a means to an end. Think of the impact of all these measures together. Imagine, if this list keeps expanding (which it will) but at the same time, if Armed Forces and/or MoD babus somehow continue to favour imports by using whatever mental gymnastics. In that case, the share of budget earmarked for and publicly declared as being for domestic purchase will not grow as a proportion of the budget earmarked for imports. These two metrics (export list and import-domestic CAPEX budgets) will be publicly available. Hence people will be able to see the actual progress on indigenisation on the ground. No matter what mental gymnastics the corrupt try now, this data will be out for everyone (not just the CAG) to see. And that, I believe, is why this policy will be a true game changer.I looked at this initiative but do not really understand it. Like these restrictions can be circumvented very easily (with some amount of mental gymnastics).
Let me elaborate with only 2 examples from my side as I am more familiar with these two:
1. LCA like fighter aircraft import is blocked; But then LCA is currently in light weight category. IA can always argue that F16/F21/Gripen E/C etc are medium weight category and hence restriction do not apply to them. F35 is single engine, so we cannot bring restriction with respective to single engine fighters as well.
2. LCH is light combat heli. But again IA/IAF can always argue that hey Apache is totally different heavy category helicopter. So we will buy 50 of them and give lolipop of 25 LCH orders until XXX is integrated/improved. In short this policy is no guarantee of support to home built systems and does nothing really.
The proof of the success of "Atmanirbhar: make in india" is orders.. improvement in R&D spending to make better products. Also in reality it make sense to import 70% (home)-30% (high end imported) complementing local platforms. Like ok we have Astra-1 (pretty good) but that does not mean we don't need Meteor/AIM-20 like long range BVR to maintain upper hand. Just giving example not applicable to all cases.
@porky_kicker I looked through some of your posts. Can you clarify my doubts if you have any clarity?
Perks of being a ModYou are right. My bad..
I’ll delete my post.
I don't doubt that present GOI under modi is much better than MMS w.r.t indigenization. But really that is setting the bar very low. All I am pointing out is that these list serves no purpose unless IA/IAF/MoD are really backing the local designs and placing orders. I have spent enough time following defence news to know that armed forces will import if they want to. IA will spend 15+ years developing/testing Arjun tank and order 100-200 of them and say we don't need this anymore/not good enough.The list is just a means to an end. Think of the impact of all these measures together. Imagine, if this list keeps expanding (which it will) but at the same time, if Armed Forces and/or MoD babus somehow continue to favour imports by using whatever mental gymnastics. In that case, the share of budget earmarked for and publicly declared as being for domestic purchase will not grow as a proportion of the budget earmarked for imports. These two metrics (export list and import-domestic CAPEX budgets) will be publicly available. Hence people will be able to see the actual progress on indigenisation on the ground. No matter what mental gymnastics the corrupt try now, this data will be out for everyone (not just the CAG) to see. And that, I believe, is why this policy will be a true game changer.
Just a decade ago, there was an article about how Army's field artillery rationalization plan is in tatters and there is no Indian offering for artillery. Today, we have indigenous offerings in every category of Artillery. 10 years later, this policy might also enable significant change beyond what we can imagine right now. Because the principle of checks and balances created by this policy is strong and the mental gymnastics and GSQR fights now stand resolved to a large extent.
You are right. Lets wait and watch. Picture should become clearer by 2026. Could have been earlier, but first Covid delays, then delays in setting up private enterprises and finally the elections in 2024 mean that signing and deliveries of most projects could easily get delayed till 2026. Very pessimistic scenario, I know. But if this policy does even half its intended task, we should see a consistent purchase of munitions from Indian private enterprises regularly after 2026, thereby maintaing War Wastage Reserves at reasonable prices. That might ensure that this was the last time Indian military went in for panic buying at the time of a crisis, enough forex savings for more weapons procurement.I don't doubt that present GOI under modi is much better than MMS w.r.t indigenization. But really that is setting the bar very low. All I am pointing out is that these list serves no purpose unless IA/IAF/MoD are really backing the local designs and placing orders. I have spent enough time following defence news to know that armed forces will import if they want to. IA will spend 15+ years developing/testing Arjun tank and order 100-200 of them and say we don't need this anymore/not good enough.
So for me orders and more investment in local investment is the only criteria. This list and policy designed around this list is ambiguous and can be easily circumvented. local designs are definitely growing but not at pace which most members would like it to see. The onus is also on industry to provide good quality products. But we have seen some good solutions also getting side tracked in spite of Make in India slogans.. so the proof of pudding is in eating .
Where is the 14.5 mm anti material rifle that was supposed to be launched today?
ullu banaya kya?