India S-400 Acquisition - News Updates and Discussions

[south block]

I would love to see 9m82 missile being part of the deal. ---- who knows they probably are.

Those boosters damn! :biggrin2:

 

[south block]

That doesn't stop Pakistan or China from training against it to learn how to defeat it. As far as Russian encryption it is rudimentary at best. Chinese hackers would have no problem getting to that source code.

Why do you assume the system Chinese are getting & we are getting are the same --- who know, we might be getting S 300 V4 missiles and other sub systems as part of S 400 deal ------ India is buying S 400 to protect Delhi & other High value strategic areas ---- from what --- PAF? LOL!. ---- IAF is more concerned with SRBM & MRBM than PAF & PLAAF.
rumors has it -- that a Maneuvering iskander was shot down right in front of IAF evaluation team. ---- now why would IAF test it against a sophisticated SRBM like iskander --- if not to use it in ABM role. which make it a suspect that S 300v4 missiles --- most likely 9M82M was used instead of your typical anti aircraft 48N6 of S-300 & S 400 @porky_kicker what's your thought on this.

 

[south block]

India was looking for an ABM system to counter Maneuvering Chinese SRBMs and MRBMs for a long time. ----- since domestic options were not mature enough to tackle such highly sophisticated threat's ---- India went abroad looking for one. --- starting from Israelis and ending up on Russians doorsteps. --- finally IAF decided to show interest in S 400 --- coincidentally at the same time S-300V4 went into production and induction into Russian air defence forces from 2013-15 onwards. ------- IAF made it sure to make it a top priority to get S-400 system after its deployment in Syria --- specially that of S-300V4 to Russian navel base in Tartus --- which rattled NATO & Israeli. ---- now S-300V4 is much more capable system than S-400. --- for simple reason it can engage SRBM - MRBM , cruise missiles as well as aerodynamic target more than 200km away --- record being 300km+ --- unlike S-400. --- now thing here to note is that US offered India THAAD for ABM role along with patriot system. ---- but India is more than happy with S-400 for both roles.
Now why's that?. --- despite knowing that THAAD is much more capable system to tackle Ballistic missiles than S-400? ---- now it could be cost or geopolitical compulsion. ---- but rumors suggesting IAF testing S 400 against a SRBM like iskander ----
all point to something much more secret and sinister and godly. :biggrin2: --- most likely Russia gave us some elements of S-300V4 system along with S 400, to tackle both SRBM, MRBM threats as well as aircrafts. :hippo:

 

[porky_kicker]

Why do you assume the system Chinese are getting & we are getting are the same --- who know, we might be getting S 300 V4 missiles and other sub systems as part of S 400 deal ------ India is buying S 400 to protect Delhi & other High value strategic areas ---- from what --- PAF? LOL!. ---- IAF is more concerned with SRBM & MRBM than PAF & PLAAF.
rumors has it -- that a Maneuvering iskander was shot down right in front of IAF evaluation team. ---- now why would IAF test it against a sophisticated SRBM like iskander --- if not to use it in ABM role. which make it a suspect that S 300v4 missiles --- most likely 9M82M was used instead of your typical anti aircraft 48N6 of S-300 & S 400 @porky_kicker what's your thought on this.

When it comes to different variants of the same SAM the effectiveness of the SAM lies primarily with the radar and comm elements.

So if the same are modified then it more or less turns into a new system. It becomes difficult to neutralize it even though your enemy own and operate the same SAM system ( different variant )

Indian S400 is different , also it is incorporating Indian / Israeli systems since Indian S400 needs to be part of the overall Indian Air defense infrastructure.

As a standalone system , S400 is not that effective as it becomes vulnerable.

 

[asianobserve]

It must he hard integrating and coordinating these Frankenstein AD systems.

 

[asianobserve]

As a standalone system , S400 is not that effective as it becomes vulnerable.

Especially because China has it apready. They already mastered its quirks, warts and all.

 

[porky_kicker]

Especially because China has it apready. They already mastered its quirks, warts and all.

If that is the case than our su30mki and r73 , r77 etc , smerch , talwar class frigates etc is also useless as per you.

Military planners are not stupid especially the OEM , the Russians know deep down their main territorial threat is china .

Or do you think they are that stupid ?

Or do you think India is also stupid enough to procure the said system without any safeguards and thoughts to vulnerabilities ?

How do you master a foreign system exactly ?
Kindly explain in scientific and technological terms

 

[Hydra3]

Especially because China has it apready. They already mastered its quirks, warts and all.

As one today if effectively deployed there only two systems are vailable in market
1) B2 spirit, one and only aircraft which are optimised to evade a wide spectrum of frequency.

Only one country is having B2 bomber so far, and india is isnot going to fight that country
2) A nuclear explosion in the upper atmosphere using a ballistic missile, the em pulse generated is enough to neutralize all radars & communication systems.
Such attack will be considered as a nuclear strike and we will retaliate with nukes. A Mutually Assured Destruction.

Yeah, s400 superiority will not lasts for ever, i fear development of the swarm drones in future will diminish s400, and if high accurate ultra long range rocket artillery, a saturation attacks will be destroy s400. And hypersonic manuering glide weapons too in future too will be a problem.

 

[asianobserve]

If that is the case than our su30mki and r73 , r77 etc , smerch , talwar class frigates etc is also useless as per you.

Military planners are not stupid especially the OEM , the Russians know deep down their main territorial threat is china .

Or do you think they are that stupid ?

Or do you think India is also stupid enough to procure the said system without any safeguards and thoughts to vulnerabilities ?

How do you master a foreign system exactly ?
Kindly explain in scientific and technological terms

Russis is not stupid, just desperate. They are already leasing hundreds of hectares of their territory to China. Russia would even sell their mothers' hide to Vhina if they can do it just to gain cash and diplomatic support from China, 2 things Russia is desperate of at the moment due to Western sanctions and isolation.

To get ahead of China in AD, the Russians are developing an evolution of S-400, S-500. But in time this too Russia will sell to China for the same reasons and Russia will try to get on to S-600.

 

[WARREN SS]

To get ahead of China in AD, the Russians are developing an evolution of S-400, S-500. But in time this too Russia will sell to China for the same reasons and Russia will try to get on to S-600.

Russians Are All Already ahead In AD No One on this Planet Comes Even Close To A-235 PL-19 Nudol

 

[south block]

Russians Are All Already ahead In AD No One on this Planet Comes Even Close To A-235 PL-19 Nudol

Edited video to hide missile and booster.

 

[WARREN SS]

Edited video to hide missile and booster.

Kindly Do a Search on A-235 System of Russia

. Testing of new missiles for the A-235 Samolyot-M system began in August 2014

Its Has Speed Of 25 Mach

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-235_anti-ballistic_missile_system

 

[south block]

As a standalone system , S400 is not that effective as it becomes vulnerable.

Agree. ---------- there is lot of secrecy about what we bought & what missiles :biggrin2: ------
reason why I think we got some elements from S 300VM series is simple. ----- Russians themselves use it primary to counter SRBMs & MRBMs threats not S 400 & if rumors are to be believed. --- IAF tested S 400 against an iskander SRBM ---- now only chance of it hitting Maneuvering iskander--- if it was using new 9M82M missile ------- it is designed specifically to deal with SRBM's & MRBM's threats. --- 48N6, 40N6 ABM capabilities are limited.

Kindly Do a Search on A-235 System of Russia

. Testing of new missiles for the A-235 Samolyot-M system began in August 2014

Its Has Speed Of 25 Mach

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-235_anti-ballistic_missile_system

Video is edited. --- yes missile is fast --- but it take time to reach that speed. --- watch those 3 videos you posted and compare it the one you posted before.

 

[WARREN SS]

Video is edited. --- yes missile is fast --- but it take time to reach that speed. --- watch those 3 videos you posted and compare it the one you posted before.

Do you Even Know Launch Speed Of "51T6" Missile. Camera Man Don't even Able to capture It from that Angle
It Flies Mach 3 When it Boost out From Canister Goes Upto 7 Km Per second or Mach 25.2

 

[south block]

Do you Even Know Launch Speed Of "51T6" Missile Camera Man Don't even Able capture It from that And Angle
It Flies Mach 3 When it Boost out From Canister Goes Upto 7 Km Per second or Mach 25.2

It must be using vodka physics than. --- why don't you slow down the video a bit. ---- no way you are getting such high speed in less than a second period.
Much of difference between older and newer improved 51T6 missiles is in front and not on booster.

 

[south block]

To get ahead of China in AD, the Russians are developing an evolution of S-400, S-500. But in time this too Russia will sell to China for the same reasons and Russia will try to get on to S-600.

so russians are developing S-400 , S-500 system to get ahead of Chinese AD.---- which system precisely ? ---- and also tell us --- what are you smoking lately :biggrin2:

 

[asianobserve]

so russians are developing S-400 , S-500 system to get ahead of Chinese AD.---- which system precisely ? ---- and also tell us --- what are you smoking lately :biggrin2:

Vodka is not a Covid-19 treatment, and it seems you got a lot of it.

 

[porky_kicker]

Russis is not stupid, just desperate. They are already leasing hundreds of hectares of their territory to China. Russia would even sell their mothers' hide to Vhina if they can do it just to gain cash and diplomatic support from China, 2 things Russia is desperate of at the moment due to Western sanctions and isolation.

To get ahead of China in AD, the Russians are developing an evolution of S-400, S-500. But in time this too Russia will sell to China for the same reasons and Russia will try to get on to S-600.

Russia is not stupid but desperate ?

So as per your statement , the corollary would be Russia is desperate enough to be stupid ?

Problem is people like you and me ( and almost everybody ) have the luxury to write whatever comes into our head because we are not involved in the same , but those who are in the seats of power don't make decisions without weighing the pros and cons in the entire spectrum of current and future pros and cons , because they will be held responsible for their decisions. Their understanding is many times better than us since they are involved in such matters.

So let's not add to crap that abounds among the educated illiterate crowd fed on daily doses crap from whatsapp , utube , twitter University or rather not become a part of it.

In realpolitik " when you name an enemy you make one "

Don't go into literature to understand the above , understand it from the point of realpolitik.

By the way don't know if you are an Indian or not , either way does not make a difference , if you have a free time do download Chanakya's Arthashastra and give it a read .

Believe me if you do that someday you will thank me .

Guess I will do the same now , will read it again.

 

[asianobserve]

Russia is not stupid but desperate ?

So as per your statement , the corollary would be Russia is desperate enough to be stupid ?

Problem is people like you and me ( and almost everybody ) have the luxury to write whatever comes into our head because we are not involved in the same , but those who are in the seats of power don't make decisions without weighing the pros and cons in the entire spectrum of current and future pros and cons , because they will be held responsible for their decisions. Their understanding is many times better than us since they are involved in such matters.

So let's not add to crap that abounds among the educated illiterate crowd fed on daily doses crap from whatsapp , utube , twitter University or rather not become a part of it.

In realpolitik " when you name an enemy you make one "

Don't go into literature to understand the above , understand it from the point of realpolitik.

By the way don't know if you are an Indian or not , either way does not make a difference , if you have a free time do download Chanakya's Arthashastra and give it a read .

Believe me if you do that someday you will thank me .

Guess I will do the same now , will read it again.

Read this National Bureau on Asisn Research especial Report No. 66:

SR66_Russia-ChinaRelations_July2017.pdf

Its pretty much sums up Russia's desperation and its lack of choice but to continue with its closer non-alliance relationship with China out of its current desperstions, both finsncially and diplomatically.

 

[Chain smoker]

Russia is not stupid but desperate ?

So as per your statement , the corollary would be Russia is desperate enough to be stupid ?

Problem is people like you and me ( and almost everybody ) have the luxury to write whatever comes into our head because we are not involved in the same , but those who are in the seats of power don't make decisions without weighing the pros and cons in the entire spectrum of current and future pros and cons , because they will be held responsible for their decisions. Their understanding is many times better than us since they are involved in such matters.

So let's not add to crap that abounds among the educated illiterate crowd fed on daily doses crap from whatsapp , utube , twitter University or rather not become a part of it.

In realpolitik " when you name an enemy you make one "

Don't go into literature to understand the above , understand it from the point of realpolitik.

By the way don't know if you are an Indian or not , either way does not make a difference , if you have a free time do download Chanakya's Arthashastra and give it a read .

Believe me if you do that someday you will thank me .

Guess I will do the same now , will read it again.

What arthashastra has to do with s400 even though some components used in our s400 are different but still tricks would be the same to evade it.