India S-400 Acquisition - News Updates and Discussions

[Defcon 1]

This how they made us fools for years by selling there cheap shit which is 2nd to western technologies

Look how a Over 20 year old technology of west bested over Russian in 27 Feb air combat
Sorry to say they kicked out are ass there
Had it not bean Israel technology of Jammers and DRFM's

And Mirage-2000 armed with MBDA MICA

It might been turned nightmare for us



Time of being dove is over and time for being hawk is started

Russians are not saints you have no idea
How KGB penterated Indian systems and how they use honey trap our intelligence and military officers in Cold war during to shady defence deals (Read EX R&AW cheif raman book)

Indra Gandhi running country like USSR is prime example

Nehruvian Socialist bullshit legacy is the reason for friendship with USSR
Licking their ass and crumbling our Economy and infrastructure to shit and poverty





Let me give you a glimpse trof reality. Had India adopted free market Economy and friendship with western countries

India might been developed as Japan or Europeans today

I mean it's hilarious when people openly use Western creation of social media and Tools to make life easier each day and still curse them

This bullshit of being US slave is just old cold war shit

Is Europeans are there slave or Japanese or south Koreans

They have independent policy

Example how Europeans shunned USA in UN voting due to there Economic interest

Russians are good in only Blackmailing

They don't have balls to fight

I mean where is there so called mythical S-300 or ,S-400 in Syria

When Israeli's bombing shit out Assad's military positions ???

So we should stop Russians ass licking nothing they gave us for free but only overcharged us with there second best technology with price of western technologies

Russian missiles with India are also 20 years old, so comparison there.

Anyways I think our independent foreign policy will give us good returns in long term. And yes, there is something like being a US slave and it does impact us.

Just look at US treatment of turkey after their decision to buy S400 and you will understand.

 

[Armand2REP]

An A2/AD system is simply a weapon system designed to prevent enemy aircraft or missiles from accessing a guarded area.

No you do not need one RADAR to be continuously on to take down the invading aircraft. Multiple RADARs are networked to form an integrated system. So from the perspective of the guidance system, it is just one RADAR.

A2/AD is a system of systems, you are only referring to the anti-air component. It also includes denial of land and sea making a no-go zone for enemy forces.

No Russian air defence system can transfer targeting of a missile launched from one platform to another. They must have the engagement radar of the launching system on for the entire engagement. So from the perspective of the guidance system, there is only one RADAR that can guide the missile, that is the engagement radar of the launching platform. It is not like Meteor or Mica NG that can hand off targeting from other platforms separate from the launcher by use of Link 16. Russia has no such universal data link or the satellite bandwidth to transmit that much data.

 

[Aaj ka hero]

This how they made us fools for years by selling there cheap shit which is 2nd to western technologies

Look how a Over 20 year old technology of west bested over Russian in 27 Feb air combat
Sorry to say they kicked out are ass there
Had it not bean Israel technology of Jammers and DRFM's

And Mirage-2000 armed with MBDA MICA

It might been turned nightmare for us



Time of being dove is over and time for being hawk is started

Russians are not saints you have no idea
How KGB penterated Indian systems and how they use honey trap our intelligence and military officers in Cold war during to shady defence deals (Read EX R&AW cheif raman book)

Indra Gandhi running country like USSR is prime example

Nehruvian Socialist bullshit legacy is the reason for friendship with USSR
Licking their ass and crumbling our Economy and infrastructure to shit and poverty





Let me give you a glimpse trof reality. Had India adopted free market Economy and friendship with western countries

India might been developed as Japan or Europeans today

I mean it's hilarious when people openly use Western creation of social media and Tools to make life easier each day and still curse them

This bullshit of being US slave is just old cold war shit

Is Europeans are there slave or Japanese or south Koreans

They have independent policy

Example how Europeans shunned USA in UN voting due to there Economic interest

Russians are good in only Blackmailing

They don't have balls to fight

I mean where is there so called mythical S-300 or ,S-400 in Syria

When Israeli's bombing shit out Assad's military positions ???

So we should stop Russians ass licking nothing they gave us for free but only overcharged us with there second best technology with price of western technologies

Warren sirji I think akula class submarine loan as well as consultancy in design submarine nuclear reactors, atleast give Russians due where they did the job for us.
Economy of india has sunken down because of self defeatist policy of india only.
And you are saying like aligning with western people, right now what are we doing ? I ask you.
Same na, trying to get into western markets by aligning with them.
Yet had they stopped not harming us, tell me who send those bastards evangelists here as well as catholics and protestants daily.
Also san France from which country we have got anything meaningful.
You are saying like Americans are selling their latest technologies to us now in Rupees.
I am saying this because Ussr did.
And what you have to say about CIA penetration into india politics.
Heck bastards are already here with their Ford foundation and NGOs.
SIRJI SORRY TO SAY BUT YOU ARE LOOKING ONLY ON SIDE OF COIN.
The best india right now can do is too maintain independent policy I say and from period to period fuck the so called western pride,only then these bastards will accept our resolve.

 

[Vijyes]

A2/AD is a system of systems, you are only referring to the anti-air component. It also includes denial of land and sea making a no-go zone for enemy forces.

No Russian air defence system can transfer targeting of a missile launched from one platform to another. They must have the engagement radar of the launching system on for the entire engagement. So from the perspective of the guidance system, there is only one RADAR that can guide the missile, that is the engagement radar of the launching platform. It is not like Meteor or Mica NG that can hand off targeting from other platforms separate from the launcher by use of Link 16. Russia has no such universal data link or the satellite bandwidth to transmit that much data.

Don't be too sure of that. How do you know that Russia has only one radar and can't link it to others? Don't you think that it is common sense to have spare radars to ensure that even if some HARM missile takes out few radars, there is still some radars left to fight?

 

[WARREN SS]

Warren sirji I think akula class submarine loan as well as consultancy in design submarine nuclear reactors, atleast give Russians due where they did the job for us.
Economy of india has sunken down because of self defeatist policy of india only.
And you are saying like aligning with western people, right now what are we doing ? I ask you.
Same na, trying to get into western markets by aligning with them.
Yet had they stopped not harming us, tell me who send those bastards evangelists here as well as catholics and protestants daily.
Also san France from which country we have got anything meaningful.
You are saying like Americans are selling their latest technologies to us now in Rupees.
I am saying this because Ussr did.
And what you have to say about CIA penetration into india politics.
Heck bastards are already here with their Ford foundation and NGOs.
SIRJI SORRY TO SAY BUT YOU ARE LOOKING ONLY ON SIDE OF COIN.
The best india right now can do is too maintain independent policy I say and from period to period fuck the so called western pride,only then these bastards will accept our resolve.

Your theory is more like consiparcy

Than Reality

USSR sold us cheap shit for 70 years

I mean you dumb or what why pulling religionism here

Do you know more than 80% of whites don't go to church

All other stuff you making is just conspiracy theories


Look at trade volume

Look the exports and import ration btw Western nations

And Russia

Look the amount of FDI came from West to India

Aligning with Russia will give nothing geopolitical significace to India that it wants

 

[Aaj ka hero]

Your theory is more like consiparcy

Than
Reality

USSR sold us cheap shit

I thought during 1971 war we had pretty good and at that time capable interceptor in mig-21 pakis had starfighter and mig-21 clearly won (this what I read).
Anyway conspiracy was done by both USA AND USSR.

 

[WARREN SS]

Russian missiles with India are also 20 years old, so comparison there.

Anyways I think our independent foreign policy will give us good returns in long term. And yes, there is something like being a US slave and it does impact us.

Just look at US treatment of turkey after their decision to buy S400 and you will understand.

Because Turkey open declared NATO Ally and sharing tech with NATO

All there defence firms are aligned with US tech firms

They are in violation of NATO Treaty

 

[WARREN SS]

I thought during 1971 war we had pretty good and at that time capable interceptor in mig-21 pakis had starfighter and mig-21 clearly won (this what I read).
Anyway conspiracy was done by both USA AND USSR.

1971 USA was Pakistani's Ally and we Allianed with USSR

THIS theory brust your argument about US not helping it Ally in the time of need

It's Pakistan dubious policy that failed there alliance

 

[WARREN SS]

I thought during 1971 war we had pretty good and at that time capable interceptor in mig-21 pakis had starfighter and mig-21 clearly won (this what I read).
Anyway conspiracy was done by both USA AND USSR.

What is Economic ratio of exports btw Russia and west for Indian suppliers

 

[WARREN SS]

I thought during 1971 war we had pretty good and at that time capable interceptor in mig-21 pakis had starfighter and mig-21 clearly won (this what I read).
Anyway conspiracy was done by both USA AND USSR.

See the reality and our bussiness compulson

 

[Jameson Emoni]

A2/AD is a system of systems, you are only referring to the anti-air component. It also includes denial of land and sea making a no-go zone for enemy forces.

No Russian air defence system can transfer targeting of a missile launched from one platform to another. They must have the engagement radar of the launching system on for the entire engagement. So from the perspective of the guidance system, there is only one RADAR that can guide the missile, that is the engagement radar of the launching platform. It is not like Meteor or Mica NG that can hand off targeting from other platforms separate from the launcher by use of Link 16. Russia has no such universal data link or the satellite bandwidth to transmit that much data.

Of course, A2/AD is about defending an area. That is what I have been saying. You are not going to send an army to clash with enemy's well defended area. You are most likely to send multi-role fighters or other stand off weapons. Defending against such aerial/stand-off threat is the function of a A2/AD system. The area you are defending can be land or sea.

I think India should only buy US weapons.

Coming back to the radars: No you do not have to have one dedicated radar to guide the SAM missile to intercept an invading aircraft. You can have multiple radars that can take turn guiding the missile towards the invading aircraft. You do not need a satellite to network multiple radars. Actually, you do not even need to network them together. They can just be programmed to turn on and off in a synchronized phase. All a radar needs to do is relay the current co-ordinates of the invading aircraft to the guidance system of the SAM missile via radio link. For a longer range engagement, you may need some air-born relay system. That is about it.

 

[WARREN SS]

Lies. Su30 had Russia supplied jammers originally. India is developing or has developed and replaced the Russian jammers.

India Find Russian DRFM out Dated There Trust Israel's Elta SPJ DRFM's

Also, Russian R73 is what killed F16. Yet, you give undue credit to Mica of Mirage 2000

Escaping the Fact Aim-120C-5 got firing solution on MKI Much before than R-77 AE

 

[WARREN SS]

I Find Buying S-400 Is Total waste Rather We Should invest in are On capabilities

LR SAM,MR SAM And Akash project And Spyder/SR SAM combo more than adequate

Invest 5 billion $ into our capacity it Will create major Boost R&D

I Didn't Understand The relevance of this purchase even now ????When are own projects
We Should rather Do more projects like MR SAM with IAI

 

[daya]

I Find Buying S-400 Is Total waste Rather We Should invest in are On capabilities

LR SAM,MR SAM And Akash project And Spyder/SR SAM combo more than adequate

Invest 5 billion $ into our capacity it Will create major Boost R&D

I Didn't Understand The relevance of this purchase even now ????When are own projects
We Should rather Do more projects like MR SAM with IAI

The purchase of S-400 is more a political move, as far as I think.

 

[WARREN SS]

The purchase of S-400 is more a political move, as far as I think.

Who Ever Did Is Either fool or Friend of Lobbyists

Its Only Can create Diplomatic problems for India rather help politically

There Is No practical TOT involved in deal We are getting more TOT in Barak-8 from IAI in comparison to this deal

Leasing Akula class Sub marine was More than Enough Political move

 

[sorcerer]

The purchase of S-400 is more a political move, as far as I think.

Noooo...read the below article..how India is going to WHIP Umrican Trumpety

India to counter US protectionism with e-commerce, data security bills

“In the digital world, data is wealth. There are, however, two crucial issues – who owns the data and how MNCs share revenues earned by using the data. The revenue generated online often goes directly overseas, which is nothing but flight of wealth from India,” said a second official, who also didn’t want to be named.

While referring to differences caused by Washington’s threats of action under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) in response to India’s deal to acquire the S-400 missile defence system from Russia and US efforts to wean India away from Russian military hardware, the people cited above said New Delhi will not scuttle the S-400 deal.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...urity-bills/story-wZTI9W8YGSYYL5CeUikoBI.html

 

[WARREN SS]

Noooo...read the below article..how India is going to WHIP Umrican Trumpety

India to counter US protectionism with e-commerce, data security bills

“In the digital world, data is wealth. There are, however, two crucial issues – who owns the data and how MNCs share revenues earned by using the data. The revenue generated online often goes directly overseas, which is nothing but flight of wealth from India,” said a second official, who also didn’t want to be named.

While referring to differences caused by Washington’s threats of action under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) in response to India’s deal to acquire the S-400 missile defence system from Russia and US efforts to wean India away from Russian military hardware, the people cited above said New Delhi will not scuttle the S-400 deal.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...urity-bills/story-wZTI9W8YGSYYL5CeUikoBI.html

Another Stupid Move For Worthless And Unproven Air defense System Deal Like S-400

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Noooo...read the below article..how India is going to WHIP Umrican Trumpety

India to counter US protectionism with e-commerce, data security bills

“In the digital world, data is wealth. There are, however, two crucial issues – who owns the data and how MNCs share revenues earned by using the data. The revenue generated online often goes directly overseas, which is nothing but flight of wealth from India,” said a second official, who also didn’t want to be named.

While referring to differences caused by Washington’s threats of action under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) in response to India’s deal to acquire the S-400 missile defence system from Russia and US efforts to wean India away from Russian military hardware, the people cited above said New Delhi will not scuttle the S-400 deal.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...urity-bills/story-wZTI9W8YGSYYL5CeUikoBI.html

Super.. Now that US has a declared policy of seeing China as a rival, we should leverage our position to the max. If Trump wants a transactional relationship, so does Modi whose hyper realist world view will not trade India's core interests to help sustain the American empire.

 

[Defcon 1]

Because Turkey open declared NATO Ally and sharing tech with NATO

All there defence firms are aligned with US tech firms

They are in violation of NATO Treaty

Dude where did you get this?

Where does it say that a NATO member cannot buy weapons from outside?

What NATO treaty are they violating?

If they really are, why is no one holding them up for violation of so called "NATO treaty"? Why is US targetting them through CAATSA instead?

 

[Defcon 1]

I Find Buying S-400 Is Total waste Rather We Should invest in are On capabilities

LR SAM,MR SAM And Akash project And Spyder/SR SAM combo more than adequate

Invest 5 billion $ into our capacity it Will create major Boost R&D

I Didn't Understand The relevance of this purchase even now ????When are own projects
We Should rather Do more projects like MR SAM with IAI

We have no projects comparable to S400. Some basic research will tell you this.