India S-400 Acquisition - News Updates and Discussions

[Armand2REP]

I am guessing this is the reason s-400 deal is getting delayed.
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Want waiver for India from Russian sanctions through CAATSA: James Mattis

They are talking about passing waivers for legacy systems, not new systems. The US is has gone sanction crazy.

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

US cannot and will not dictate to India regarding the countries from where India will acquire its weapons. US has again made a massive blunder. How did they even think that India will not acquire S400?

These threats of not sharimg technology will not work. American MIC needs Indian markets more than India needs them.

Somewhere i feel that the Paki lobby may be behind the attempts to stall the S400 deal. As the S 400 if deployed will handicap the paki airforce.

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[hit&run]

USA will be sole loser playing these moronic games of Sanctions-Sanctions.

Any USA reader reading it. India know how lower you guys can go to hurt India's Interests; and we give no fuck about your bullying.

 

[undeadmyrmidon]

USA will be sole loser playing these moronic games of Sanctions-Sanctions.

Any USA reader reading it. India know how lower you guys can go to hurt India's Interests; and we give no fuck about your bullying.

Relax, this drama is because of Democrat Mueller witch hunt. US knows that sanctioning India will kill it's Asia - Pacific policy. Also we have next to no ToT agreement with US, so they lose out the most. That's why you have Mattis and Pompeo running around begging for waivers.

 

[Armand2REP]

Relax, this drama is because of Democrat Mueller witch hunt. US knows that sanctioning India will kill it's Asia - Pacific policy. Also we have next to no ToT agreement with US, so they lose out the most. That's why you have Mattis and Pompeo running around begging for waivers.

Trump is willing to throw away the Trans-Atlantic alliance over Iran, what does he care about India wanting Russian systems? The only thing he knows is that he wants India to buy American, not Russian.

 

[nongaddarliberal]

Trump is willing to throw away the Trans-Atlantic alliance over Iran, what does he care about India wanting Russian systems? The only thing he knows is that he wants India to buy American, not Russian.

They are under pressure to irrationally go after Iran from their political masters the Israelis (oy vey!), so they will even compromise on their European partners (and their own national interest/security). Russian election interference on the other hand, is a completely made up issue by the democratic party, which the US media and Trump hating republicans have gone along with. But when it comes to India, both the democrats and Republicans have been committed to maintaining and expanding the relationship, and it suits neither of them to lose the Indian defence market, which will inevitably happen if these idiotic sanctions hit. We can make do with Russian, French and Israeli weapons for all our import needs, while Boeing and Lockheed Martin can go and shove their "partnership" up their ass.

 

[prohumanity]

Every free country has right to do whatever it takes to defend its people...India needs S400 to protect herself..so be it...Go ahead and buy it...India is not anyone's colony...its a sovereign nation...if someone does not like it..its that country's problem.
If a country throws a temper tantrum because India chooses to buy S-400 ,just ignore it..as no country has right to dictate what Indian military needs and from what country it buys those weapons. Tell them to ..F*Off .and .mind your own business!

 

[Kshithij]

Trump is willing to throw away the Trans-Atlantic alliance over Iran, what does he care about India wanting Russian systems? The only thing he knows is that he wants India to buy American, not Russian.

USA is getting more and more desperate as the trade deficit widens and USA starts printing more currency which in turn has a strong effect on demeaning petrodollars. The reason dollars is global currency is because USA guaranteed to behave well. If USA simply prints dollars, then that will amount to letting USA buy the whole world just because they have a printing machine. To avoid this, USA wants to increase "dependency" of other countries on its systems so that in the future the trade with these countries could keep up the economy of USA.

 

[Immanuel]

This is all noise that happens in open democracy, S-400 and any other deal will get waivers and same goes for deals done with US, besides so far TOT hasn't been any issue while dealing with the US. We haven't recived any and under the current deals we just switch out key items such as datalinks, coms, IFFs anyways. People seem to confuse due process & procedure to conclusions. Indian lobby is strong and so is the trade lobby that wants to do business with India. Neither Dems or GOP are mad enough to have massive ongoing contracts or upcoming ones into jeopardy by not granting waivers.

Trump is more than allowed to have his trade wars, they are perfectly important since they have massive trade defecits with everybody and as a leader whose core interest is to his citizens & his re-election, does he really give two shits about anybody's feeling, not really. For years they have had unfair trade practices that have bled US jobs and having tarrifs or even talk of them gets people around the table and that's the whole idea.

Indian leaders could learn somethings from him, focus on own interest people. The EU can suck on it's own burgeing phalus since they're running easily one of the most corrupted institutions in the world, it will crumble under it's own weight folks, it's not a matter of if but a matter of when. As for Trump sticking it to Iran well the Jews are powerful people and the EU should be very careful back stabbing them (a second time). They virtually dominate the global Financial markets, these hebrews can fuck with you without ever firing a shot.

The US isn't getting more desperate, if anything it's getting stronger than ever folks, focusing on itself. From a red hot job market to massive reinvestment back into US, largest ever defence budget, the US is making a strong come back, the GDP numbers are miles better.

 

[Immanuel]

Pulling out of a deal where the first major loss was to Boeing with a 20 billion deal is hardly a move of desparation rather a move of leadership and knowing fully well that there will losses for such moves. Instead it's a larger geopolitical move where Trump/US aligns itself with Saudi (House of Islam), Israel (Home of the Judaism), actually this is a safer bet any day.

 

[Kshithij]

Pulling out of a deal where the first major loss was to Boeing with a 20 billion deal is hardly a move of desparation rather a move of leadership and knowing fully well that there will losses for such moves. Instead it's a larger geopolitical move where Trump/US aligns itself with Saudi (House of Islam), Israel (Home of the Judaism), actually this is a safer bet any day.

I am pretty sure that Saudi has pressurised USA to sanction Iran in return for oil concessions. Israel is just a tiny country which is overhyped

 

[Immanuel]

I am pretty sure that Saudi has pressurised USA to sanction Iran in return for oil concessions. Israel is just a tiny country which is overhyped

Again, how is Israel a overhyped tiny country? We really shouldn't be saying such crap when we buy so much hardware from Israel while we can't even produce a rifle our army will accept. Sure, the US & EU support it in many ways but Israel has managed to be self reliant in many ways and no one here needs to be taught about the audacity this small country can muster for it's own interests. It is exactly the opposite of an overhyped country, history has shown time and again. An overhyped country is Pak, which regardless of it's nukes get's hammered on it's borders by India, Afghan and even Iranis. Israel has a GDP of over 4%, is nothing short of an argiculture miracle, is at the forefront of sound military tech and can hold it's own against several far more seemingly powerful neighbors. Had India adopted a more stringent approach towards Pak much like Israel does towards it's enemies, the boundaries of Pak today would be quite different. Again there is much India can learn from Israel and we don't call people or countries we can learn from, overhyped.

The notion that Saudi pressured the US under Trump is silly, it is at best an alignment of strategy based on common interests between the US, Israel & Saudi.

 

[undeadmyrmidon]

Trump is willing to throw away the Trans-Atlantic alliance over Iran, what does he care about India wanting Russian systems? The only thing he knows is that he wants India to buy American, not Russian.

US has no comparable land based system to S 400/500. Their THAAD ER is only 200 km range and PAC 3 is a fucking joke.

Only SM 3 Blk IIA with 1500 km altitude and 2500 km range , SM 6 with 496 km dual anti ship/ABM and SAM capability is worth looking at. Even then the capability is completely Naval oriented and requires MK 41 VLS.

 

[no smoking]

Again, how is Israel a overhyped tiny country? We really shouldn't be saying such crap when we buy so much hardware from Israel while we can't even produce a rifle our army will accept. Sure, the US & EU support it in many ways but Israel has managed to be self reliant in many ways and no one here needs to be taught about the audacity this small country can muster for it's own interests. It is exactly the opposite of an overhyped country, history has shown time and again. An overhyped country is Pak, which regardless of it's nukes get's hammered on it's borders by India, Afghan and even Iranis. Israel has a GDP of over 4%, is nothing short of an argiculture miracle, is at the forefront of sound military tech and can hold it's own against several far more seemingly powerful neighbors.

Well, I do agree that Israel is not an overhyped tiny country but it is unfair to compare Pakistan with Israel. Pakistan has never got the kind of military and financial support that Israel has from all over the world: billions dollars military aid every year; best trading term from US/Europe; almost unlimited access to the latest technologies in the developed countries. And most importantly the military support from the most powerful armed force in the world: US. The best example is US military aid of Nickel Grass: within 32 days, they received 22k tons materials & weapons from airlift and 33k tons from sealift. What Arabians got from USSR in the meantime: 15k tons airlift and 63 tons by sealift.

If we look at Pakistan, this kind of support can only happen in their dream. Instead of facing with an inferior Arabian coalition, they have to deal with an enemy which is 4-5 times larger and stronger than her in every section, which Israel has never dreamed of. In the meantime, the aid Pakistan received is barely keeping them stand.

Had India adopted a more stringent approach towards Pak much like Israel does towards it's enemies, the boundaries of Pak today would be quite different. Again there is much India can learn from Israel and we don't call people or countries we can learn from, overhyped.

Israel is not an good example for India to follow since they can’t make their boundaries shared with Palestine quite either. Comparing to Pakistan, Palestine is only a fight in kindergarten.

 

[WARREN SS]

US has no comparable land based system to S 400/500. Their THAAD ER is only 200 km range and PAC 3 is a fucking joke.

Only SM 3 Blk IIA with 1500 km altitude and 2500 km range , SM 6 with 496 km dual anti ship/ABM and SAM capability is worth looking at. Even then the capability is completely Naval oriented and requires MK 41 VLS.

S-400 for that matter S-300 are never tested in real war situation while

Patriot has has tested many times in many wars results are we published so when you say they are fucking joke then it's you that only laughing here

Now USA never need a land based anti aircraft system like S-400 because it has no credibile threat for air invasion for that matter amphibious assault

That's why it's deployed it's most credible missiles system Aegis missle defence which also a ASAT on only way you can invade USA by water

They don't made because they don't needed not because they can't

Remember USA is only nation in this world which has over 400+ operational 5th generation fighters while others are still struggling with prototype

 

[mayfair]

S-300 systems are operational in Delhi and Mumbai and surely India has enough understanding of their working, efficacy and limitations. Perhaps that's why we have decided to go for S-400.

US has a different doctrine, they rely more on air dominance because they have little threat of invasive missiles and aircraft from their immediate neighbourhood. Overseas deployments have missile defence systems including THAAD deployments in many countries. As you said, they don't need it in their own land. Of course, they have systems to track and defend against ICBMs, because they are the primary or I should say sole military threat to the American mainland.

Our neighbourhood is different. We have two bandits on our immediate doorstep. Warning times are limited and we do not have enough air assets to overwhelm the enemy. In such a case, multiplier systems such as ARSAM, Aakash, BMD and S-400 become extremely important.

If the S-400 system is untested and therefore unreliable, why does US have theirs in a twist at the prospect of India acquiring these systems?

But this is besides the point. The thing is that we will decide what to acquire and what is best for OUR interests. US trying to dictate actions and policies will only serve to create wariness and distrust.

 

[Arihant Roy]

S-300 systems are operational in Delhi and Mumbai and surely India has enough understanding of their working, efficacy and limitations. Perhaps that's why we have decided to go for S-400.

US has a different doctrine, they rely more on air dominance because they have little threat of invasive missiles and aircraft from their immediate neighbourhood. Overseas deployments have missile defence systems including THAAD deployments in many countries. As you said, they don't need it in their own land. Of course, they have systems to track and defend against ICBMs, because they are the primary or I should say sole military threat to the American mainland.

Our neighbourhood is different. We have two bandits on our immediate doorstep. Warning times are limited and we do not have enough air assets to overwhelm the enemy. In such a case, multiplier systems such as ARSAM, Aakash, BMD and S-400 become extremely important.

If the S-400 system is untested and therefore unreliable, why does US have theirs in a twist at the prospect of India acquiring these systems?

But this is besides the point. The thing is that we will decide what to acquire and what is best for OUR interests. US trying to dictate actions and policies will only serve to create wariness and distrust.

I have heard from numerous people that we have S-300 systems deployed in Mumbai and Delhi for ballistic missile defense. But haven't come across anything firm to suggest that we really have S-300.

 

[bhramos]

US Warned: India Should Reconsider S-400 Deal with Russia

 

[lcafanboy]

If the S-400 system is untested and therefore unreliable, why does US have theirs in a twist at the prospect of India acquiring these systems

The question is not about reliability or India buying any particular weapons but denying Russia any type of business and thus choking Russia monetarily so it doesn't have any money for r&d and becomes weak and breaks apart just like USSR.....

 

[captscooby81]

Russia has golden Piggy bank called China which can fund as much money it wants if Russia is going to sell them any advanced weapon system which Chinese are not able to produce ..Like how they paid and bought S-35 and S-400 system ..Plus any US sanction will not hurt china and Russia relations .It is only a curse for us that fucking we are getting caught in this crossfire between these two Cold War giants ...

The question is not about reliability or India buying any particular weapons but denying Russia any type of business and thus choking Russia monetarily so it doesn't have any money for r&d and becomes weak and breaks apart just like USSR.....