India S-400 Acquisition - News Updates and Discussions

[IndianHawk]

I tend to agree if we maintain a defensive 'doctrine' wrt china we can beat the shit out of them . We must surround incoming forces from 3 side then cut their supply and kill them on the whim.
Similarly in Indian ocean we need to weaponise our island chain. And also build some new island and claim sovereignty . China style:biggrin2:

 

[IndianHawk]

By the shouldn't we be participating in next gen Russian s500?? If we are pouring serious money it should be more advanced then Chinese system.

 

[bengalraider]

somethingi posted on twitter regarding this yesterday

 

[bengalraider]

Actually not. If you consider their infra, they do have much better infra very near to border, whereas our infra are considerably far from all the border areas. We are operating ALGs in border regions, whereas they do have a full fledged air base at the very same region. So technically speaking, our flying machines have to undergo much more stress full transition in our flights then the Chinese ones.

The Chinese Airbases on the Plateau won't be able to support fighters with full combat loads while most of our jets will take off from lower altitudes in Uttar Pradesha nd Assam with full combat loads, tips the scales!

 

[suny6611]

The Chinese Airbases on the Plateau won't be able to support fighters with full combat loads while most of our jets will take off from lower altitudes in Uttar Pradesha nd Assam with full combat loads, tips the scales!

But they have far too many fighters & r NEW .

 

[republic_roi97]

No, let us just go with S400 and spread them all across the country including Himalayas, to counter china from north, Himalayas are our best bet, weaponize them. As for our coasts, S400 it is along with batteries of Barak-8 MRSAM and SRSAM.

But apart from that, I think that and Indo-China war is hard to happen in the first place, because there is too much to loose for both countries because of our growing trade and economic cooperation.

 

[Chinmoy]

The Chinese Airbases on the Plateau won't be able to support fighters with full combat loads while most of our jets will take off from lower altitudes in Uttar Pradesha nd Assam with full combat loads, tips the scales!

They have numbers on their side. If you take Assam in equation, we do have just two squadron of MKI here. So its effectively two squadrons of MKI against five squadron of MKM in eastern sector.

 

[Adioz]

Remember that they would be marching down on us, and we would be marching up against them. And in mountain warfare, you know what difference both could make.

AFAIK, the defending party has the advantage in mountain warfare (since it is dug-in atop tall mountains). So we face the uphill battle at points where we advance and preempt Chinese advance. The Chinese face the up-hill task at locations where it chooses to challenge Indian defenses. Since the war will most likely be initiated by China with the intention of wresting control of our territories, they will face the uphill struggle in most of the battles.

I tend to agree if we maintain a defensive 'doctrine' wrt china we can beat the shit out of them . We must surround incoming forces from 3 side then cut their supply and kill them on the whim.
Similarly in Indian ocean we need to weaponise our island chain. And also build some new island and claim sovereignty . China style:biggrin2:

If China is serious about picking a war with India, it will most likely create a direct land invasion route and avoid direct confrontation over the Himalayas. It could do so by basing PLA in Pakistan and hitting us from the west. Its a mammoth task (logistically) but one with better chances of victory and lesser costs (compared to an invasion of India via the Himalayan route).
Yes we need to militarise Andaman and Nicobar. Most importantly Great Nicobar. But I do not see the need for additional islands in that area (especially considering the political and monetary costs for such an exercise)

somethingi posted on twitter regarding this yesterday

No, let us just go with S400 and spread them all across the country including Himalayas, to counter china from north, Himalayas are our best bet, weaponize them. As for our coasts, S400 it is along with batteries of Barak-8 MRSAM and SRSAM.

I seriously doubt the S-400s alone will be sufficient. We need more Akash batteries and many more SAMs forged into a network the kind of which PRC has on its coastline to deter the Americans. Even so, I think the S-400 purchase is a good step. Air-defence against China, however must be given a priority (over Pakistan) and not the other way round.
We also need low-frequency radar installations with significant overlap so that they can detect 5th generation fighters in the North.

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

AFAIK, the defending party has the advantage in mountain warfare (since it is dug-in atop tall mountains). So we face the uphill battle at points where we advance and preempt Chinese advance. The Chinese face the up-hill task at locations where it chooses to challenge Indian defenses. Since the war will most likely be initiated by China with the intention of wresting control of our territories, they will face the uphill struggle in most of the battles.


If China is serious about picking a war with India, it will most likely create a direct land invasion route and avoid direct confrontation over the Himalayas. It could do so by basing PLA in Pakistan and hitting us from the west. Its a mammoth task (logistically) but one with better chances of victory and lesser costs (compared to an invasion of India via the Himalayan route).
Yes we need to militarise Andaman and Nicobar. Most importantly Great Nicobar. But I do not see the need for additional islands in that area (especially considering the political and monetary costs for such an exercise)



I seriously doubt the S-400s alone will be sufficient. We need more Akash batteries and many more SAMs forged into a network the kind of which PRC has on its coastline to deter the Americans. Even so, I think the S-400 purchase is a good step. Air-defence against China, however must be given a priority (over Pakistan) and not the other way round.
We also need low-frequency radar installations with significant overlap so that they can detect 5th generation fighters in the North.

I once had a dream that the Indian Air Defence would consist of SPYder Akash Iron dome Barak 8 David Sling S 400 and AAD.I hope tyat dream becomes true some day.

 

[bengalraider]

Again posted this some months ago repeating here.
We are undertaking a complete overhaul of our AD this includes.
1) BMD- AAD+PAD+AD1+AD2
2)LRSAM-S400
3)MRSAM 1-BARAK 8
4)MRSAM 2-AKASH
5)SRSAM 1 - SPYDER
6)SRSAM 2- SOSNA-R
6) SPAAG- TUNGUSHGKA + PANTSYR( bodyguard for S400)+ Under another SPAAG to be made under MakeinIndia under selection.
7)AA guns- L70 mod + ZSU mod + modern under selection.

 

[IndianHawk]

AFAIK, the defending party has the advantage in mountain warfare (since it is dug-in atop tall mountains). So we face the uphill battle at points where we advance and preempt Chinese advance. The Chinese face the up-hill task at locations where it chooses to challenge Indian defenses. Since the war will most likely be initiated by China with the intention of wresting control of our territories, they will face the uphill struggle in most of the battles.


If China is serious about picking a war with India, it will most likely create a direct land invasion route and avoid direct confrontation over the Himalayas. It could do so by basing PLA in Pakistan and hitting us from the west. Its a mammoth task (logistically) but one with better chances of victory and lesser costs (compared to an invasion of India via the Himalayan route).
Yes we need to militarise Andaman and Nicobar. Most importantly Great Nicobar. But I do not see the need for additional islands in that area (especially considering the political and monetary costs for such an exercise)



I seriously doubt the S-400s alone will be sufficient. We need more Akash batteries and many more SAMs forged into a network the kind of which PRC has on its coastline to deter the Americans. Even so, I think the S-400 purchase is a good step. Air-defence against China, however must be given a priority (over Pakistan) and not the other way round.
We also need low-frequency radar installations with significant overlap so that they can detect 5th generation fighters in the North.

China can't base pla in Pak to attack India because it can only access to Pak via POK route which is too narrow and unsuitable for large armed movement. India can easily cut off that route in case of war thus exhausting pla supply.
Best bet for china is to engage India in a short war( for whatever reasons). India is too powerful to be subdued, it can only be humiliated or some pockets of territory can be captured for a short while . In eastern sector invading china can not sustain regular uninterrupted and significant supply to hold any won territory. (That's why they backed off in62).
What we simply need is more and more missiles, Beijing should be acutely aware of a disproportionate response to any of its aggressive move. That is what keeps Taiwan safe and separate.
The problem in India is that we prefer to be statesman while our neighbors display reckless behavior. So we are considered a soft state that only encourages china to increase pressure. China should know that India can too take a leaf out of its playbook. At diplomatic level we need to keep issuing confusing and offensive statements every once in a while . A certain degree of deliberate recklessness on our part can keep Beijing in line. They believe in offensive and that is the language they understand and respect!!

 

[Adioz]

China can't base pla in Pak to attack India because it can only access to Pak via POK route which is too narrow and unsuitable for large armed movement. India can easily cut off that route in case of war thus exhausting pla supply.

What I meant was that if China is serious about fighting a war with India, it will never try to come over the Himalayas and will prepare an alternate land invasion route. Something like how the Wehrmacht avoided French defenses at the Maginot line and invaded the low countries before invading France. Himalayas are our Maginot line. The Chinese would be stupid to attack it. We would also be stupid to defend just the Himalayas.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

@republic_roi97

The developed parts of Tibet also have basically one road and one rail line. Destroy the road cutoff supplies and slaughter.

 

[bengalraider]

@republic_roi97

The developed parts of Tibet also have basically one road and one rail line. Destroy the road cutoff supplies and slaughter.

We know where the key bridges, tunnels & passes in the TAR are, that's the primary target for our LACM batteries.

 

[Prashant12]

Russia, India To Sign $5 Billion S-400 Missile Deal At BRICS Meet In Goa

Russian S-400 Triumph medium-range and long-range surface-to-air missile systems. (Reuters Photo)

Russia and India will sign a 5 billion dollar agreement on Saturday for Moscow to deliver S-400 surface-to-air missiles to New Delhi.

Kremlin aide Yuri Ushakov said the agreement would be signed at the BRICS summit in Goa, where Prime Minister Narendra Modi will meet separately with President Vladmir Putin too.

BRICS groups together China, Russia, Brazil India and South Africa.

The S-400 anti-aircraft missiles were cleared for purchase in December by the Defence Ministry.

The five missiles India is acquiring will likely provide area defence to high-value installations including nuclear power plants and key government centers. They are also expected to provide India with a missile-shield for protection against Pakistani or Chinese nuclear-capable ballistic missiles.

Considered the most advanced surface-to-air missile system in the world, the Russian S-400 system's missiles can intercept incoming aircraft and missiles at a range of 400 kilometers. The sensitive radars of the system are thought to be able to detect even stealth aircraft which present a very small radar cross-section and are often impossible for other systems to track.

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/russ...-on-saturday-1473829?pfrom=home-lateststories

 

[Nicky G]

Finally. Been waiting for this for a while.

Russia and India to sign delivery deal for S-400 missiles on Saturday

 

[bengalraider]

https://twitter.com/Aryanwarlord/status/786610236987539457

My tweet on the S400 in the China sector

 

[LETHALFORCE]

@bengalraider

Will there be any difference in Chinese s-400 and Indian ??


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[brational]

My tweet on the S400 in the China sector

Siliguri Corridor (Chicken's Neck) has been left out!

 

[ezsasa]

What i am seeing is that on the western border, now there is going to a additional air cover incase CSD is ever implemented.

It's like playing chess..