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Indian diplomat walks out of SAARC meeting in Islamabad

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An Indian diplomat walked out of a meeting of the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) in Islamabad on Sunday due to the presence of Azad Kashmir Minister Chaudhary Muhammad Saeed, Times Now News reported.
Pakistan to invite PM Modi for SAARC summit
An Indian news agency quoted a source as saying that Shubham Singh, an official of the Indian High Commission in Pakistan, walked out of SAARC Chambers of Commerce and Industry meeting after he learned that PoK Minister Chaudhary Muhammad Saeed was also attending.
The meeting was organised on the occasion of SAARC Charter Day.
A SAARC summit has not been held after India, followed by Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Bhutan, pulled out of the 19th summit in November 2016.
“Pakistan deplores India’s decision to impede the SAARC process by not attending the 19th SAARC Summit in Islamabad on November 9 and 10,” the Foreign Office had said in a statement following the countries’ withdrawal.
New Delhi torpedoes 19th SAARC summit
“India’s decision to abstain from the Summit on the basis of unfounded assumptions on the Uri incident is a futile effort to divert the attention of the world from the atrocities perpetrated by India in the Indian Occupied Jammu & Kashmir,” the statement had added.
Saarc, which comprises Pakistan, India, Afghanistan, Bhutan, Nepal, the Maldives, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, has often been held hostage by animosity between Islamabad and New Delhi.
This article originally appeared on Times Now News.
 

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More drama from MEA.

Why did we even send a representation knowing that Pakistan will do these things?

MEA should just close down its Pakistan division.
 

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More drama from MEA.

Why did we even send a representation knowing that Pakistan will do these things?

MEA should just close down its Pakistan division.
If Pakistan can do drama - so can we. This is how to influence headlines.
 

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If Pakistan can do drama - so can we. This is how to influence headlines.
It doesn't get anything sorted on the ground.

We have been doing this shit for the last 60 years.

It is about time that we start taking our battles more seriously at a decision-maker's level. We have limited resources and we need to make it count.

Keeping Pakistan involved just because a few Indian arab wannabes are married or have families across the border doesn't serve any purpose.

We need to reclaim certain territories of Pakistan which are of critical importance and start drawing a roadmap on how we are going to achieve that. POK and Nankana Sahib being two strategic areas. The rest, Pakistanis can keep it to themselves.
 
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View: India's guarded optimism to Pakistan’s dubious generosity
Pakistan's Prime Minister Imran Khan gestures as he speaks during the groundbreaking ceremony of the Kartarpur border corridor, which will officially open next year, in Pakistan November 28, 2018.
If Germany and France who fought several wars, can live in peace, why can’t India and Pakistan?,” well batted, Imran Khan. To begin with, the occasion that has led to the eastward flow of fresh breeze from Pakistan is the inauguration of Kartarpur Sahib Corridor. This must be celebrated without any political hesitations. It is indeed an occasion that deserves to be celebrated with child-like joy and innocence that results from the deep spiritual moorings of the sub-continent.
Indeed, PM Imran appeared sincere, hopeful and emotional in his speech. However, the world of geopolitics is not all about emotional proclamations and wishful thinking. The world of geopolitics is instead ruled by intelligence agencies, vote-seeking populist politicians, geo-strategic designs of world powers, profit- hungry corporations and hawkish generals.
There is nothing new in India’s response. It has followed its old line that 'terror' and 'talks' cannot go together. India’s official position has mostly been this for almost the last two decades, albeit interspersed with brief spells of over-generosity and wishful thinking. However, since 2014, with Modi’s arrival on the scene, one can witness an element of consistency, clarity, and steadfastness in the approach. Also, it is explicitly clear in the official statements of Sushma Swaraj and India’s army chief that the Kartarpur corridor episode should be seen separately from the dialogue process between the two nations. While India’s response to Imran Khan’s emotionally charged speech does appear a little harsh, however to this author, the response is not a surprise and is wholly expected.
Before deconstructing India’s response further, the question that needs an answer is whether Pakistan’s peace proposal is honest and sincere? A reasonable and fair analysis from an Indian perspective will reveal that there is a long history of Pakistan supporting proxy terror groups in India. In the Indian security establishment, there is deep sense of skepticism about Pakistan’s peace overtures. In the Indian public opinion and media circles, the cross-border support for militancy in Kashmir since 1989 has been a dominant narrative, in addition to the belief that Pakistan supported separatist movement in Punjab in the 1980s.
The episode of Kargil, especially after Vajpayee’s peace initiatives, further made it difficult for India to go ahead with peace. However, both nations could move forward with peace under Vajpayee and Musharraf, with the credit going to the extraordinary political leadership that both countries had. However, this did not impact the common man until the terrorist attacks began outside Kashmir. The series of terror attacks outside Kashmir began with the Parliament attack and peaked in its intensity and impact in the 26/11 Mumbai attacks.
The 26/11 Mumbai attacks left a deep trauma on the psyche of the ordinary Indian citizen. There emerged a strong psychological barrier and a deep sense of pessimism about any peace overture from Pakistan. Hence, cutting across the political and ideological lines, there arose a robust and serious consensus that 'terror' and 'talks' cannot go together. However, that did not mean that the peaceniks had become extinct. One did see an initial episode of dialogue and bonhomie between Nawaz Sharif and PM Modi.
Unfortunately, the incidents of fidayeen attacks in Pathankot and Uri happened and militancy spiked in Kashmir with alleged cross-border support. Further, the recent upsurge in the Khalistan activities by Sikh diaspora across the world has given more fodder to India’s suspicions. Therefore one witnesses caution with which India is proceeding in the matter of Kartarpur corridor.
India’s refusal to accept the SAARC invitation reflects a deep sense of mistrust and pessimism. However, that does not mean that India is making war-cries or has closed its mind to peace proposals. India’s response strongly indicates that it would like to see concrete and substantial action on terror.
Secondly, India’s response needs to be seen in the context of the overall cultural and political milieu of the current times. The country is witnessing the rapid growth of Ayodhya movement which seeks to build a temple over the controversial structure of a demolished mosque. Since 2014, India is also going through an intense phase of struggle between the forces of Hindu nationalism and the distorted legacy of Nehruvian secularism.
India has emerged as a vibrant economic and military power and under Modi’s leadership, made great strides in claiming its rightful diplomatic place among global powers. This has led to an increased sense of confidence. It has also led to a revivalist trend in the intellectual, religious and cultural aspects of India’s internal politics and foreign policy.
India’s response can not be categorized as an abject denial to the idea of peace. In spite of some initial hiccups and hesitations, India finally embraced the idea of developing Kartarpur corridor. Though MEA Sushma Swaraj did not attend the event in a personal capacity, India did send two central ministers to participate in the event. To this author, the overall attitude of India appears to be more of cautious optimism, i.e. India wants to convey that it is willing to cooperate in cultural and religious matters, where more substantial interests of the citizens of both the nations are involved. However, it appears that India finds it difficult to trust Pakistan and will reciprocate only in the event of achieving a substantial breakthrough on the terror front. Nevertheless, PM Imran Khan’s peace proposal has that emotional strength to appeal to the ordinary Indian citizen. His fan-following as a cricketer in India might supply some more steam to that appeal as well.
 

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It doesn't get anything sorted on the ground.

We have been doing this shit for the last 60 years.

It is about time that we start taking our battles more seriously at a decision-maker's level. We have limited resources and we need to make it count.

Keeping Pakistan involved just because a few Indian arab wannabes are married or have families across the border doesn't serve any purpose.

We need to reclaim certain territories of Pakistan which are of critical importance and start drawing a roadmap on how we are going to achieve that. POK and Nankana Sahib being two strategic areas. The rest, Pakistanis can keep it to themselves.
We need to get out of this "Either/Or" mindset about Pakistan.

The reality is that Porkistan needs to be balkanised and de-nuclearised, by hook or by crook.

We have the Aman ki Aasha retards and other tamasha like the Kartarpur corridor etc. Let them go on. Let also that outrage and Kadi Ninda at Paki misbehaviour go on. All the optics have to be done just right, as per usual, in a reactive sense.

At the same time, pour tonnes of money and resources into balkanisation, by all and any means necessary, underneath the surface, by means fair and foul. Let loose money and espionage, saam, daam, dand, bhed. Whatever it takes.

We need deep, prolonged effort, AND misdirection and theatrics at the same time. Both are necessary and need to go hand in hand.
 

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It doesn't get anything sorted on the ground.

We have been doing this shit for the last 60 years.

It is about time that we start taking our battles more seriously at a decision-maker's level. We have limited resources and we need to make it count.

Keeping Pakistan involved just because a few Indian arab wannabes are married or have families across the border doesn't serve any purpose.

We need to reclaim certain territories of Pakistan which are of critical importance and start drawing a roadmap on how we are going to achieve that. POK and Nankana Sahib being two strategic areas. The rest, Pakistanis can keep it to themselves.
We should not have any diplomatic representation in Pakistan.Their man in Delhi should be sent back.No Pakistani journalist should be granted Indian visa.Lastly close and hermetically seal the entire border to the west and northwest.This is the only way to deal with fork tongued people.Only good Paki is a dead Paki.
 

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The current state between India and Pakistan can be characterized as civil war. This war will only end with total defeat of Pakistan. There is no other plausible outcome.
 

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Broadsheet pays £20,000 in legal costs to Sharif family after withdrawing Avenfield claim

UK-based asset recovery firm Broadsheet LLC has paid 20,000 pounds in legal costs to the family of PML-N supremo Nawaz Sharif after withdrawing its claim over the Sharif family's Avenfield property in London, it emerged on Tuesday.


Broadsheet LLC was engaged by the National Accountability Bureau (NAB) in 2000 to trace offshore assets of Pakistani nationals but the agreement was cancelled in 2003. The government last year paid $28 million to the firm in damages.

Broadsheet withdrew its claim over the Avenfield flats after securing the payment from the Pakistani government, but ended up paying £20,000 for the Sharif family's legal costs. It is usual in the British legal system for a party's legal team to pay the other side after losing a case or if the side that initiated a claim asks the court to withdraw.

Commenting on the development, PML-N Vice President Maryam Nawaz termed the payment by Broadhsheet "another hard slap on the face of the clique of liars and mudslingers".


"Broadsheet had to pay Rs4.5 million to the lawyers of Nawaz Sharif for raising questions about the London flats and then running away from the court," she tweeted. "One ends up suffering such consequences in the game of lies and deceit. Any shame?"
 

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India allows the special flight to use its airspace in marked contrast to Pakistan’s actions in 2019, when Islamabad denied permission for the use of Pakistani airspace by three Indian VVIP flights.
 

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Pakistan likely to stay in FATF grey list

NEW DELHI: The FATF plenary which started on Monday is examining Pakistan’s compliance — or lack thereof — with the remaining six items in its 27-point action plan meant to check terror-financing.

While Pakistan is expected to remain on the grey list, it’s hoping that the Parisbased terror watchdog will allow an onsite evaluation which it can use to convince the member-states that it has done enough to get its name struck off the grey or ‘increased monitoring’ list.

One of the six terror-financing issues Pakistan was yet to address when FATF met in October last year related to lack of action against UNSC-proscribed terrorists like Masood Azhar. India believes Pakistan has continued to provide safe havens to these terrorists.

FATF had retained Pakistan in the grey list in October, despite acknowledging “significant progress” made by Islamabad in addressing 21 other points. It had asked Pakistan to address its “strategic deficiencies” by demonstrating effective implementation of targeted financial sanctions against all UN 1267 and 1373 designated terrorists and those acting for or on their behalf.

It’s unlikely that FATF will downgrade Pakistan to the blacklist as it enjoys the support of China, Malaysia and Turkey. However, many other member-states are still trying to ascertain if Pakistan’s law enforcement agencies are identifying and probing terror-financing activities.

“Background discussions with key officials and foreign diplomats suggest that the jury is divided — with the authorities claiming sufficient progress to be confident of a positive outcome but some diplomats suggesting that even in the best-case scenario Pakistan would remain in the increased monitoring list until June,” reported Dawn on Monday quoting officials.

Pakistan media had also reported last week that some European countries, including France, had recommended to the FATF that Pakistan remain on the grey list as not all points had been fully addressed by Islamabad .
 

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Some Positive development.

I was sure things would get better and now it must get better and better. Good Work by BJP.


Now when the sides have agreed to stop all ceasefire and treat each other cordially, I would suggest the BJP-PTI to create a "unity force" combining Indian and Pakistani soldiers without lethal arms that will together maintain law and order in the disturbed area. This would prevent any rogue element within and beyond to create mischief by orchestrating an attack or something that could re-start trouble. Though I am pretty confident the government will deal with them right.
 

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India allows the special flight to use its airspace in marked contrast to Pakistan’s actions in 2019, when Islamabad denied permission for the use of Pakistani airspace by three Indian VVIP flights.
Mr Niceguy that we are .Back to Gandhiism........a recipe for failure and disaster..
 

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