India Pakistan conflict along LoC and counter terrorist operations

[rkhanna]

Building an superior mpv as compare to US is not important. Learning that we get in building that mpv is important. We learned mpv technology from South Africa. We are trying to perfect that technology that important. We can upgrade it later and afterwards compare it with international competitor

1) you made a pretty bold statement about our performance vs americans. I was wondering if you had data to back it up.

2) Again you make a bold statement about 'perfecting technology'. let me tell you that our MPVs etc are screwdriver giri. We didnt learn jackshit. Its all screwdriver tech under the guise of ToT. We are at the bottom end of the tech curve in armoured vehicles or armoured warfare

What is use of having superior technology and getting your ass kicked in Afghanistan , Vietnam, Iraq, etc

Sophoric comments dont help your cause. America as a country may have won or lost wars. the US Military on the other hand (baring Korea and maybe Bay of Pigs) has dominated pretty much every battlefield it has been on. In Vietnam they won every single major engagement they were in. Their militaries ability to adapt innovate and win against an OpFor has been truely outstanding - Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq.

Suggest some more study and research in Military history of global militaries based in fact not sentiment.

 

[Ayushraj]

1) you made a pretty bold statement about our performance vs americans. I was wondering if you had data to back it up.

2) Again you make a bold statement about 'perfecting technology'. let me tell you that our MPVs etc are screwdriver giri. We didnt learn jackshit. Its all screwdriver tech under the guise of ToT. We are at the bottom end of the tech curve in armoured vehicles or armoured warfare




Sophoric comments dont help your cause. America as a country may have won or lost wars. the US Military on the other hand (baring Korea and maybe Bay of Pigs) has dominated pretty much every battlefield it has been on. In Vietnam they won every single major engagement they were in. Their militaries ability to adapt innovate and win against an OpFor has been truely outstanding - Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq.

Suggest some more study and research in Military history of global militaries based in fact not sentiment.

Wining battles dosent gurantee your victory in war. Only ultimate results matter
US purpose in Afghanistan was to destroy taliban
Has taliban been destroyed?
Has North Vietnam has been captured
Having f22, f35 , etc dosent destroy taliban. Taliban still stand strong. US has dosent won a war after ww2.
Wining war means to achieve your goal wining small engagement can do nothing

 

[shade]

Wining battles dosent gurantee your victory in war. Only ultimate results matter
US purpose in Afghanistan was to destroy taliban
Has taliban been destroyed?
Has North Vietnam has been captured
Having f22, f35 , etc dosent destroy taliban. Taliban still stand strong. US has dosent won a war after ww2.
Wining war means to achieve your goal wining small engagement can do nothing

His point is Army is good, politicians are cucked by going for an Optics-friendly doctrine instead of an effective military doctrine which would win them "the war" in question but would not be good for Optics.
i.e shilling for Hearts and Minds bullshit, when only brute force would work.
They didn't lose Vietnam or Afghanistan, but pulled out because of domestic political shenanigans.

 

[shade]

I'll give an analogy, there is a company, the company has managers( US Politicucks ) and an engineering team( US armed forces ) that creates a product( various battles in the war ).
Now the engineering team creates the product, and it is good technical parameters wise, but perhaps it was a bit too expensive and took a lot of time to make because of management's demands.
The managers then cancel this entire product for their own reasons and lay off the engineering team.
Does it make the engineering team bad from a technical or skill standpoint?

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Furkhor air base in tajikistan used to have helicopters fleet maintained for lion of Panjhsir. He used helicopters for casualties evacuation since it had hospital staffed by Indians.

Farkhor

 

[Rassil Krishnan]

1) you made a pretty bold statement about our performance vs americans. I was wondering if you had data to back it up.

2) Again you make a bold statement about 'perfecting technology'. let me tell you that our MPVs etc are screwdriver giri. We didnt learn jackshit. Its all screwdriver tech under the guise of ToT. We are at the bottom end of the tech curve in armoured vehicles or armoured warfare




Sophoric comments dont help your cause. America as a country may have won or lost wars. the US Military on the other hand (baring Korea and maybe Bay of Pigs) has dominated pretty much every battlefield it has been on. In Vietnam they won every single major engagement they were in. Their militaries ability to adapt innovate and win against an OpFor has been truely outstanding - Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq.

Suggest some more study and research in Military history of global militaries based in fact not sentiment.

whats the point of having the superior military,if your grand strategy is bad or abysmal.the chinese have a suboptimal military for their needs,which they are working day and night to improve and yet most of their strategic objectives are fulfilled or are well within pipeline.because they focus on clearly defined objectives ,clear definition of in group vs out group with discrimination towards out group and relentless focus on progressing step by step with max speed possible at that time from a governmental and logistics perspective.There is also finally, the major component of their culture which is doing whatever it takes to subdue any possible enemies with any tools at their disposal such as money,torture,detainment,blackmail,debt diplomacy,etc(basically no moral code but winning for their tribe).

getting any better weapon system is good but it is useless if the strategy behind your fighting is screwed up.USA can cry about winning battles in vietnam and afghanistan all the time but the reality is that they did not recognize the decisions that had to be made if their objective of civilizing afghanistan was to be successful.afghanistan culture and afhans are the problem,take away their children and destroy their religion and community,that was the way.If they cant do that,dont even try.

 

[Honey]

Building an superior mpv as compare to US is not important. Learning that we get in building that mpv is important. We learned mpv technology from South Africa. We are trying to perfect that technology that important. We can upgrade it later and afterwards compare it with international competitors.


What is use of having superior technology and getting your ass kicked in Afghanistan , Vietnam, Iraq, etc

What we have learned can be understood by looking at the naxal places. They blew up the whole mpv vahicle..

 

[DerBronzeLord]

Wining battles dosent gurantee your victory in war. Only ultimate results matter
US purpose in Afghanistan was to destroy taliban
Has taliban been destroyed?
Has North Vietnam has been captured
Having f22, f35 , etc dosent destroy taliban. Taliban still stand strong. US has dosent won a war after ww2.
Wining war means to achieve your goal wining small engagement can do nothing

Learn the difference between tactics and strategy. Irrespective of the Bald Eagle's grand strategy, which I agree failed in Vietnam and Afghanistan, they are superior in terms of equipment. He is speaking about the equipment, not about winning wars. That is a different argument altogether.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Do i have to explain on the 788th page of this thread why USA fights wars?

 

[FalconSlayers]

Do i have to explain on the 788th page of this thread why USA fights wars?

To sustain its own domestic defence companies as obviously they mostly don’t have civilian markets. Plus to maintwin its presence in different parts of world.

 

[rkhanna]

Wining battles dosent gurantee your victory in war. Only ultimate results matter
US purpose in Afghanistan was to destroy taliban
Has taliban been destroyed?
Has North Vietnam has been captured
Having f22, f35 , etc dosent destroy taliban. Taliban still stand strong. US has dosent won a war after ww2.
Wining war means to achieve your goal wining small engagement can do nothing

Completely missed my point. but we are digressing from the primary point about MPVs

To sustain its own domestic defence companies as obviously they mostly don’t have civilian markets. Plus to maintwin its presence in different parts of world.

That's the low hanginf fruit. Today McDonald's alone sets major global apple and potato prices.
Not even goiing to mention global the water and natural resources owned by pepsi and coke. American capital and IP blanket the globe. Even the countries who "beat" them.

Please someone explain to me how they 'failed' in their global politico-military policy. Their long term grand strategy of global dominance over the past 100 years is staggering. It pales to even the British Empire of old. They control the world through wallstreet, WTO / IPR treaties, their charitable foundations. Their military is only an extension of that

In contrast the Chinese OBOR /CPEC / Wold warrior is coming apart at the seems

 

[Suhaldev]

Incriminating Facebook posts: NIA searches four places in Madurai, recovers digital devices and documents - Times of India

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[FalconSlayers]

 

[fire starter]

One terrorist killed.

 

[fire starter]

One more terrorist killed.

 

[FalconSlayers]

One more terrorist killed.

Removed Article 370, unable to curb terrorism.
और एक साल बिना मतलब का हमारा इंटर्नेट खा गए।

 

[Lonewolf]

Removed Article 370, unable to curb terrorism.
और एक साल बिना मतलब का हमारा इंटर्नेट खा गए।

Kf terrorism was so easy to curb , israel would have done it , valley need to be outnumbered by hindus , and some more cleaning yet to be done ,

 

[FalconSlayers]

Kf terrorism was so easy to curb , israel would have done it , valley need to be outnumbered by hindus , and some more cleaning yet to be done ,

 

[Maitreya Shyam]

Quiet embarrassing news for pakistani since the t90 and pinaka are formidable part of cold start doctrine. Production of large number of pinaka rockets will neutralize superiority of pak army in 155 mm class artillery(spg+towed)to some extent in Rajasthan area.

But still ola tala will help pakistani

 

[Deadtrap]

Could this be a new modus operandi of Pakistan? Lately they have been spreading this Hindu terrorist theory bullshit (Read their Foreign office release)