India Pakistan conflict along LoC and counter terrorist operations

[janme]

Look how this guy is manufacturing a narrative against a specific Kashmiri police officer and in addition trying to delegitimise the Kashmiri police.

Notice how the same account tweets about USA riots or whatever else is happening in the world to not be seen as a sole propoganda account for Kashmir. This is definitely a very well organized strategy and not something random.

 

[fire starter]

2 terrorists arrested.

 

[aditya g]

Hamza is more like APC than MPV. The Angle of the V-Shaped Hull is bad which means it can’t affectively deflect IED Blast Away from the troop compartment and the thing can only take 10Kg IED under its wheels while the body can only take 5Kg Meanwhile the OFB MPV Mark 1 Aditya can take up to 15Kg under the wheels and up to 10Kg under the Hull. It’s not a great vehicle just looks big and bulky but in reality it’s weak. Again like you said the cost is too much for the Pakis they don’t even have the money to pay for the electric and gas bill of there Puppet PM.

Good analysis there.

The best vehicle out there to protect against mines is a MPV like OFB Aditya or Casspir. US has gone a step ahead to develop MRAPs which add on to the basic MPV functionality. Also, you need to bullet proof your entire fleet even if its not necessarily mine proof.

This is what Indian Security forces have done in the last 20 years and result is minimal loss to life from IED. This is not the final solution though as seen in Pulwama and incidents in red belt where such vehicles can be defeated by size or tactics (VBIED, placement and timing etc). Again as somebody posted before this also requires high skill and experience.

Having analysed the videos from Baloch ambushes, I can say that introducing even simple bullet proof vehicles like the Mohafiz series will pose great challenge to the insurgents. What they need is wheeled armour vehicles in quantity, and to begin with at least one such vehicle per convoy.

M113 and any other tracked vehicle is not suited to insurgency scenario except for specific applications.

 

[HawkisRight]

Good analysis there.

The best vehicle out there to protect against mines is a MPV like OFB Aditya or Casspir. US has gone a step ahead to develop MRAPs which add on to the basic MPV functionality. Also, you need to bullet proof your entire fleet even if its not necessarily mine proof.

This is what Indian Security forces have done in the last 20 years and result is minimal loss to life from IED. This is not the final solution though as seen in Pulwama and incidents in red belt where such vehicles can be defeated by size or tactics (VBIED, placement and timing etc). Again as somebody posted before this also requires high skill and experience.

Having analysed the videos from Baloch ambushes, I can say that introducing even simple bullet proof vehicles like the Mohafiz series will pose great challenge to the insurgents. What they need is wheeled armour vehicles in quantity, and to begin with at least one such vehicle per convoy.

M113 and any other tracked vehicle is not suited to insurgency scenario except for specific applications.

Don't give ideas to those porks

 

[Jaymax61]

Don't give ideas to those porks

He is giving idea not money. You cannot buy equipment with just ideas. PA has no money.

 

[ezsasa]

He is giving idea not money. You cannot buy equipment with just ideas. PA has no money.

Never underestimate pakis.

In spite of all the things they do to us, one must admit they have a better nationalist bunch than ours. Inspite of all their Institutional deficiencies, pakis never shy away from reaching for the stars. They fall hard after each and every scheme of theirs, but they never stop trying. They punch above their weight.

if only we had such a nationalistic Bunch during 60’s, 70’s & 80’s at the helm of our affairs, India would have been a different country all together.

of course their quest for parity with us is sinking their ship, but they never stop trying and that’s the point.

if India was Pakistan & Pakistan was india, aksai chin & kashmir issue wouldn’t have even occurred.

 

[rajesh agarawal]

Never underestimate pakis.

In spite of all the things they do to us, one must admit they have a better nationalist bunch than ours. Inspite of all their Institutional deficiencies, pakis never shy away from reaching for the stars. They fall hard after each and every scheme of theirs, but they never stop trying. They punch above their weight.

if only we had such a nationalistic Bunch during 60’s, 70’s & 80’s at the helm of our affairs, India would have been a different country all together.

of course their quest for parity with us is sinking their ship, but they never stop trying and that’s the point.

if India was Pakistan & Pakistan was india, aksai chin & kashmir issue wouldn’t have even occurred.

Rightly said. Agar pak ke pass india jaise economy hoon jaye woh apne app ko major power established kar lenge.

 

[Bhadra]

Never underestimate pakis.

In spite of all the things they do to us, one must admit they have a better nationalist bunch than ours. Inspite of all their Institutional deficiencies, pakis never shy away from reaching for the stars. They fall hard after each and every scheme of theirs, but they never stop trying. They punch above their weight.

if only we had such a nationalistic Bunch during 60’s, 70’s & 80’s at the helm of our affairs, India would have been a different country all together.

of course their quest for parity with us is sinking their ship, but they never stop trying and that’s the point.

if India was Pakistan & Pakistan was india, aksai chin & kashmir issue wouldn’t have even occurred.

Only one Answer - Pakistan Army ....
(Same is the case of China - the PLA, Even Bangladesh earlier - Bangladesh Army, Even Myanmar Earlier - their Army... No wonder why Indian babus are so scared of the Army.)

Indian establishment just do not understand the Army and start mistreating those Armies like they do with their own...

 

[fire starter]

Never underestimate pakis.

In spite of all the things they do to us, one must admit they have a better nationalist bunch than ours. Inspite of all their Institutional deficiencies, pakis never shy away from reaching for the stars. They fall hard after each and every scheme of theirs, but they never stop trying. They punch above their weight.

if only we had such a nationalistic Bunch during 60’s, 70’s & 80’s at the helm of our affairs, India would have been a different country all together.

of course their quest for parity with us is sinking their ship, but they never stop trying and that’s the point.

if India was Pakistan & Pakistan was india, aksai chin & kashmir issue wouldn’t have even occurred.

well there are no leftists in Islamic countries.

 

[ezsasa]

Only one Answer - Pakistan Army ....

Indians establish just do not understand the Army and even mistreat their own...

instead of Pakistani army, I’d rather attribute it to grand vision for their country.

sure. PA Is the enforcer of that grand vision.

 

[fire starter]

instead of Pakistani army, I’d rather attribute it to grand vision for their country.

sure. PA Is the enforcer of that grand vision.

grand vision for what? to become failed nation lol.

 

[ezsasa]

grand vision for what? to become failed nation lol.

first they wanted to become the sole nuclear protector & security provider of ummah.
Up until recently they wantEd diplomatic & strategic parity with their 3 trillion $ neighbour.

I am yet to figure out their latest grand vision.

 

[Rassil Krishnan]

grand vision for what? to become failed nation lol.

It does not matter that it fails but the point is that they have a clear cut vision even if it's outcome will be horrible to secular modern types.its vision through the years has been consistent in establishing an islamic population l ruled country with an official army as back up to secure and it has stayed this course in words and actions.

Regardless of the fact that this vision causes misery to certain sectors such as education,love of tech,violence,etc you must admit that they have stayed the course and try again all the time.

The people of pakistan most of them don't care about other things as much as people say ,what you want to believe is that pakistan is the posh paki that visits his country and does not particularly like it but it is not.

All the army needs to do is keep the vehicle of the state running just enough and ensure that the minimum is there for sustainment of the people and the people will support them for the achieving the above vision regardless of the costs or if pakistan becomes a failed state.

The concept of a failed state is also a bit relative as there are even people who prefer is ruled caliphate over modern states so same can be said for a large chunk of average pakis.they just don't want big violations by the army thats all.

 

[HawkisRight]

first they wanted to become the sole nuclear protector & security provider of ummah.
Up until recently they wantEd diplomatic & strategic parity with their 3 trillion $ neighbour.

I am yet to figure out their latest grand vision.

Their grand vision is always Gazwa. Pakistani polity sees itself a successor of Mughal empire
Like uk - British empire
Like Russia - Soviet union
Like China - middle kingdom
It's the nostalgia of lost glory

 

[ezsasa]

Their grand vision is always Gazwa. Pakistani polity sees itself a successor of Mughal empire
Like uk - British empire
Like Russia - Soviet union
Like China - middle kingdom
It's the nostalgia of lost glory

that’s a means to an end, I.e narrative.

 

[HawkisRight]

that’s a means to an end, I.e narrative.

Interesting tidbit about Indian subcontinent
Hindus 800 million
Muslims 600 million
After partition of Bharat Muslims got 3 countries Hindus got 1
Just sayin

 

[Bhadra]

instead of Pakistani army, I’d rather attribute it to grand vision for their country.

sure. PA Is the enforcer of that grand vision.

Only owners and stakeholders can have a grand vision or have a say in dominant vision, work around it and employ means to achieve it.

Pakistan Army is the owner of Pakistan, PLA is the owner Of China, Myanmar Army is the owner of Myanmar. That empowers and facilitates them to have a grand vision and make all efforts to realize that.

It is a big misnomer and a great lie that military generated vision can not have development, progress, economy, welfare. peace and prosperity as part of their vision. Singapore. Malaysia, Indonesia, even pre-war Japan, Taiwan all had predominant military elites having a stake in the governance of their countries. PLA is another shining example. At least dozens of countries around the world where the military has the ruling stake also progress well on these fronts.

All European countries were essentially military powers that enabled them to enslave the world. as their elites and military leadership was indistinguishable.

India is the only country of the world where military institutions and Services are attached offices even after 20 years of Subhraminayam Committee recommending to fully merge the Services HQ into MoD. Indian Military Service are constantly downgraded as if they are not part of the nation. What can they contribute in grand Vision where the vision of the elites (politicians, bureaucrats, industrialists and business magnets, political parties etc) is to syphon billions of dollars to some Swiss bank. Where elites institute a commission to say that Muslims are discriminated in the Army.

What vision we have where even the preamble to the Constitution is amended towards narrow party interests.

 

[HawkisRight]

Only owners and stakeholders can have a grand vision or have a say in dominant vision, work around it and employ means to achieve it.

Pakistan Army is the owner of Pakistan, PLA is the owner Of China, Myanmar Army is the owner of Myanmar. That empowers and facilitates them to have a grand vision and make all efforts to realize that.

It is a big misnomer and a great lie that military generated vision can not have development, progress, economy, welfare. peace and prosperity as part of their vision. Singapore. Malaysia, Indonesia, even pre-war Japan, Taiwan all had predominant military elites having a stake in the governance of their countries. PLA is another shining example. At least dozens of countries around the world where the military has the ruling stake also progress well on these fronts.

All European countries were essentially military powers that enabled them to enslave the world. as their elites and military leadership was indistinguishable.

India is the only country of the world where military institutions and Services are attached offices even after 20 years of Subhraminayam Committee recommending to fully merge the Services HQ into MoD. Indian Military Service are constantly downgraded as if they are not part of the nation. What can they contribute in grand Vision where the vision of the elites (politicians, bureaucrats, industrialists and business magnets, political parties etc) is to syphon billions of dollars to some Swiss bank. Where elites institute a commission to say that Muslims are discriminated in the Army.

What vision we have where even the preamble to the Constitution is amended towards narrow party interests.

Now u are talking sir.. just look at Japan every japanese PM after world war had blood relation with Monarchy
Four asian tigers Singapore, Taiwan,south korea, Hong Kong became 1st world from 3rd world under dictatorship supported by military junta

 

[fyodor]

Only owners and stakeholders can have a grand vision or have a say in dominant vision, work around it and employ means to achieve it.

Pakistan Army is the owner of Pakistan, PLA is the owner Of China, Myanmar Army is the owner of Myanmar. That empowers and facilitates them to have a grand vision and make all efforts to realize that.

It is a big misnomer and a great lie that military generated vision can not have development, progress, economy, welfare. peace and prosperity as part of their vision. Singapore. Malaysia, Indonesia, even pre-war Japan, Taiwan all had predominant military elites having a stake in the governance of their countries. PLA is another shining example. At least dozens of countries around the world where the military has the ruling stake also progress well on these fronts.

All European countries were essentially military powers that enabled them to enslave the world. as their elites and military leadership was indistinguishable.

India is the only country of the world where military institutions and Services are attached offices even after 20 years of Subhraminayam Committee recommending to fully merge the Services HQ into MoD. Indian Military Service are constantly downgraded as if they are not part of the nation. What can they contribute in grand Vision where the vision of the elites (politicians, bureaucrats, industrialists and business magnets, political parties etc) is to syphon billions of dollars to some Swiss bank. Where elites institute a commission to say that Muslims are discriminated in the Army.

What vision we have where even the preamble to the Constitution is amended towards narrow party interests.

Rightly said. Issue is these things happened in the Past. In the present what has 56 inch done to change this arrangement? All he does is bring some new naarebaazi like atmanirbharta while several privtate companies have unpaid dues from the government. He has kept the same rotten babu system functioning. IAS wale have looted and destroyed the country.

 

[Cartel Boss]

Interesting tidbit about Indian subcontinent
Hindus 800 million
Muslims 600 million
After partition of Bharat Muslims got 3 countries Hindus got 1
Just sayin

... and which one is the Hindu country? I would like to know.