India Pakistan conflict along LoC and counter terrorist operations

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The situation warrants that India escalate it up. Pakis are desperate, digging tunnels and all this terrorism shit has increased.
And we have escalated. We now use rockets, guided munitions which probably we didn't use before. But we need to go one step ahead. First we vacate the 20-25 km territory through artillery shelling. No need to differentiate in civilian or military installations. Assume all installations are jihadi and destroy everything in 20-25 km, cross and hold the new LOC. Gain territory. Period.
 

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The reality is, we cannot correct Paki behaviour. Their aim is not to achieve peace. Let us say we handover them Kasmir, still their Jihadi mindset will never rest. And we take POK, still the Jihadi mindset will remain the same. We have to engage them consistently and keep on gaining. Stepwise we keep breaking them, that's how it will end. Peace and coexistence is not an option with Pakistan.
 

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The reality is, we cannot correct Paki behaviour. Their aim is not to achieve peace. Let us say we handover them Kasmir, still their Jihadi mindset will never rest. And we take POK, still the Jihadi mindset will remain the same. We have to engage them consistently and keep on gaining. Stepwise we keep breaking them, that's how it will end. Peace and coexistence is not an option with Pakistan.
their problem was and is hindu, rest is cream coating
 
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anyone cracked why PM meets with Doval saab?

  • LOC on fire for few days
  • Khadim rizvi murdered
  • pak preparing dossier
  • PM level meeting for 4 terrorists encounter which is way out of common
  • PDM movement gaining lot of heat in pak
  • India briefing p5 nations
  • US going through unstable power transfer
feel free to add more & decode the possibilities
when india demolishes pakistan p5 will know why.
 
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Still people in India sugar coat it. As you rightly said, the problem for Pakistan is Hindu. But we have been told story of Kasmiri self determination. What idiots!
Kashmir's only problem is also Hindu. There is nothing like nationalism, only Hindu hatred.
showing love to your enemies gandhi route has failed miserably
 

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I think we are forgetting some developments here:

1. We have to acknowledge and give credit to the current administration who deliberately ignore porkistan‘s third grade propaganda on India and J&K. You deny enemy what they are seeking - a war of words to keep the issue alive. We have denied that. We have also stopped eulogizing ISI as this fabulous agency which can trigger attacks in India at will. The reality is ISI is an incompetent organization that TTP severely degraded with killings and bombings of scores of their personnel. But our idiotic news media made ISI into this all-powerful agency.
2.No international development agency funds projects in PoK without India’s assent. But they readily finance in J&K. Why? They understand that LEGALLY all of princely state of J&K belongs to Indian Union. So, on the ground the world respects us. Never forget this in your narratives.
3. No world boys has ever put pressure on us for HR violations in Kashmir. Note all HR crybabies are powerless orgs like UNHRC or EU parliament or non-credible HR NGOs. So, we really don’t need to consider HR blowback in our decision making process.
4. The democratic world loves elections. implementation of local governance article 72 in J&K post abrogation of 370 is a strong point for us. And we have conducted elections per the article, and made panchayats relevant and with decision making powers for the first time. No way the Porki scums can overcome this development no matter their third grade dossiers and rants from their retarded PM, Taliban Khan, who we treat like a low level chaprasi.
5. Note how even their superiority show off venture - Kartarpur corridor - has been a spectacular failure as Indian Sikhs realized the ill intentions behind the Porkis in doing this. People are, ultimately, not stupid. There has not even been 1/10th of expected visitors, creating additional losses for the debt ridden slaves.
6. NIA investigations into funding terrorists has been so thorough that it has shut up geeeeelani and mirwaiz faroooooq for good, masterminds behind laundering and channeling blood moneys. The sharing of these data with FATF has effectively made sure that Porkis have no way but to cleanse their terror funding systems - no longer is LeT collecting donations on the filth filled streets of Porkistan.

Porkis know that successful implementation of article 72 and no PR noise from our side will effectively erase J&K issue from the world’s consciousness, which is dealing with so many other terrible events.
so, we are on track on many fronts, as we naturally should be as a superior power.

The track that we are not on top of is dealing a crushing blow to infiltration and establishing military deterrence to the point that Paki Army does not even think about maintaining launch pads/infiltration as an option. Further, BSF must be asked to upgrade and take its border duties seriously. I think there is a thought process that IB won’t be used for terror attacks and just for smuggling narcotics. So, BSF is taking it easy there. BSF must be told by NIA how illegal narcotics trade is used by pakis to fund terrorism and smuggling is also terrorism. IB must have the same level of intrusion detection technologies like the LoC. We plug this hole (literally) and Pakis would have no option but to surrender and dismantle their terror infrastructure for good.Amit shah needs to get on JKP and BSF’s asses ASAP and fix accountability for detection failures.
 

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hell no money is one of causes not sole cause
Religion is very important to the Israeli people. Internationally recognizing Israel and Jerusalem will go a long way in bringing India and Israel closer. This should be done anyways, but even more so now to keep Communist China owned Biden and democrats in check, as Israel and its people do have decent leverage in US political circles.
 

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Israel has no gain in befriending pak that it cannot gain by doing exactly what it is doing now and that is befriending the primary Arab nations.

It does not need to gets paks approval,it can give it the cold shoulder.
Well for all you know they might fake a friendship just so that they can open an embassy in porkland so that Mossad can have an ear on the ground at the epicenter of terrorism. That, is how they think ! Unlike us who are guided by MEA babus who *actually* believe in friendship between nations !
 

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Well for all you know they might fake a friendship just so that they can open an embassy in porkland so that Mossad can have an ear on the ground at the epicenter of terrorism. That, is how they think ! Unlike us who are guided by MEA babus who *actually* believe in friendship between nations !
Israelis are very transactional in nature just like the US. If we dont give them an incentive to be with us, they wont be with us and will go with whoever can pay them. For instance, indigneization of a lot of Israeli hardware like radars, missiles, EW equipment etc is causing them heartache. We are not offsetting such heartache by entering into more strategic deals like joint development of technology, or a special economic zone for Israeli tech companies in Bangalore (like how we have SEZs for Japanese and Koreans). Notice how the Israelis have totally stopped launching their satellites by ISRO and are with SpaceX now.
They are highly transaction based and do a lot of deals that all favor them or the US. Israel is still a significant supplier of technology to the PLA plus several Israelis have become billionaires selling diamond jewelry in China. They have to as a small state bent on survival as the first goal and whose budget is 60-70% financed by US taxpayers. The chances of them not antagonizing China is very high especially in Biden's presidency, which is going to be very pro Chinese. The US will sign the TPP with China and allow the Chinese embassy to reopen in Houston. Biden is also a very corrupt person and the challenge there is such people are completely swayed by money power, which China has plenty of. This also means turning a blind eye to IP stealing and allowing Chinese researchers to pay to participate and steal tech from top US universities (exactly like how it happened under Obama and Biden).
There is also a chance that Chinese will now openly bribe companies such as Apple etc to reestablish presence in China, as Biden would be supportive of this, as he and his family would get a cut of the deal. This could impact our FDI flows and economic growth. Biden has already mentioned that Quad is not much of a priority and relations with India takes a backseat to US relations with China especially solving trade issues. Biden will also probably let Chinese manufacturers take US jobs away dealing a crushing blow to US manufacturing anyways (citing manufacturing as polluting, climate change bla bla). So, overall expect China to strengthen and grow under Biden just like they did under Obama. Pretty hard times for us to navigate these murky waters. This is why Modi's congratulations to Biden was such a plain one.
We are going to be back to "China is a better friend than India. Wuhan virus is not China's fault etc." policy by Biden administration. Did anyone see the wide coverage and press for Xitler's Seattle visit where Americans lined the streets with Chinese flags and democrats promoted the event as the defining moment of the 21st century? In fact Xi himself was surprised at the warmth and love shown by Seattle people, a bastion of the democratic left.
We are going to get lectured on human rights, treated as a poor country, etc. Plus Biden democrats dont like Modi at all, for promoting Trump massively in Houston and in Ahmadabad. Kamala Harris is even more anti Modi with all her left, liberal policies. The Pentagon-India joint technology development department that got back its life under Trump will once again be shut down by Biden, denying access to high technology to us. I have no idea how Modi and his team will handle all this. But a lot is going to change and we better be prepared. Porkistan is sure going to get emboldened as they know now China is a 'fraand' of the US, and they once again have leverage within the US Congress and State Departments. This would lead to increased terrorism in J&K. Expect more US defence aid to them, additional F16s plus Amraams, re-engagement in service and spares etc. If we dont deal a crushing blow to the Porks ourselves, we are going to see huge loss of lives and resources on our side, not to mention international loss of face. We are on our own now with maybe slight help from semi trustworthy allies like France, Russia.
 
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Our govt fixed Pakistani aukat at $130m 🤣
I do not think that the figure may be $130 mn. It should be in Bn. Hybrid war will bring best result for the money we spend. This includes lobbying to isolate Pakistan, Hurt their economic interest, carry out targeted operations, Spend on measures to destabilize Pakistan, Spend on ideological subversion etc. Modi -Doval duo must have have a long term plan in their mind but it seems they have decided to go slow. They do not seem to be in any sort of hurry. Slow and steady wins the race.
 

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Why don't we just landmine the entire dokalam valley and cut off Chinese advances for the near future
I like the idea, but I am also sure that the agreements Indian MEA has made with China don't allow Indian army to do anything like this. These same agreements earlier tied Indian army's hands because of which Indian soldiers were not allowed to use their guns; why Galwan incident happened. Even now Indian soldiers are only allowed to use their guns when their life is threatened, and not initiate any action otherwise. China has successfully limited the Indian army's possible actions through agreements. They have probably convinced the Indian bureaucrats of how powerful they are through Chinese propaganda; when in reality Chinese army is one of the most poorly-trained armies with low quality Chinese manufactured equipment.
 

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I think we are forgetting some developments here:

1. We have to acknowledge and give credit to the current administration who deliberately ignore porkistan‘s third grade propaganda on India and J&K. You deny enemy what they are seeking - a war of words to keep the issue alive. We have denied that. We have also stopped eulogizing ISI as this fabulous agency which can trigger attacks in India at will. The reality is ISI is an incompetent organization that TTP severely degraded with killings and bombings of scores of their personnel. But our idiotic news media made ISI into this all-powerful agency.
2.No international development agency funds projects in PoK without India’s assent. But they readily finance in J&K. Why? They understand that LEGALLY all of princely state of J&K belongs to Indian Union. So, on the ground the world respects us. Never forget this in your narratives.
3. No world boys has ever put pressure on us for HR violations in Kashmir. Note all HR crybabies are powerless orgs like UNHRC or EU parliament or non-credible HR NGOs. So, we really don’t need to consider HR blowback in our decision making process.
4. The democratic world loves elections. implementation of local governance article 72 in J&K post abrogation of 370 is a strong point for us. And we have conducted elections per the article, and made panchayats relevant and with decision making powers for the first time. No way the Porki scums can overcome this development no matter their third grade dossiers and rants from their retarded PM, Taliban Khan, who we treat like a low level chaprasi.
5. Note how even their superiority show off venture - Kartarpur corridor - has been a spectacular failure as Indian Sikhs realized the ill intentions behind the Porkis in doing this. People are, ultimately, not stupid. There has not even been 1/10th of expected visitors, creating additional losses for the debt ridden slaves.
6. NIA investigations into funding terrorists has been so thorough that it has shut up geeeeelani and mirwaiz faroooooq for good, masterminds behind laundering and channeling blood moneys. The sharing of these data with FATF has effectively made sure that Porkis have no way but to cleanse their terror funding systems - no longer is LeT collecting donations on the filth filled streets of Porkistan.

Porkis know that successful implementation of article 72 and no PR noise from our side will effectively erase J&K issue from the world’s consciousness, which is dealing with so many other terrible events.
so, we are on track on many fronts, as we naturally should be as a superior power.

The track that we are not on top of is dealing a crushing blow to infiltration and establishing military deterrence to the point that Paki Army does not even think about maintaining launch pads/infiltration as an option. Further, BSF must be asked to upgrade and take its border duties seriously. I think there is a thought process that IB won’t be used for terror attacks and just for smuggling narcotics. So, BSF is taking it easy there. BSF must be told by NIA how illegal narcotics trade is used by pakis to fund terrorism and smuggling is also terrorism. IB must have the same level of intrusion detection technologies like the LoC. We plug this hole (literally) and Pakis would have no option but to surrender and dismantle their terror infrastructure for good.Amit shah needs to get on JKP and BSF’s asses ASAP and fix accountability for detection failures.
Agree all these things are done very efficiently. No one can deny India handled Kashmir issue very well internationally.
However Terrorism is totally different thing that can't be controlled by destroying few launch pads & in the process losing your own guys over cannon fodder terrorists. It's a endless cycle. This thing favours Porks more than us. The cost is just not enough. There is a reason this has been a failed strategy for two decades.
Unless & until you deal with Porki army head on & crush their morale nothing will change.
 

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