India Pakistan conflict along LoC and counter terrorist operations

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Ya'll Nibbiars Pakistani terrorist group Al-Badr has set up a large terrorist training camp near Chakdara area of Lower Dir in NW Pakistan. After training terrorists are being shifted to POK.

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Tactical and sub tactical operations have stopped making any sense. Heck we wiped out whole NLI during Kargil and it was replaced in months if not years. 200+ lost during Balakot strikes are now back to gain fresh experience and will become hardened in few more months. The surge we are witnessing these days is part of that hardening. In Nagrota they failed miserably more strikes are coming our way.

Only in case these tactical operations are done consistently with an objective of bringing down some thing of strategic nature then they may appear reasonable. Otherwise these one off reactive missions make no dent to Pakistani terror enterprise. If we go into more details of operational tactics then these operations are also not very easy. Because these camps are establish in tandem with local eco-system the HUMNIT networks are very strong the strikes will be dampened in no time.

The only reasonable option we have either to consistently conduct these tactical operation and make their daily lives miserable or throw the conventional or nuclear attack ball into their court.

Obviously they have scripted and worked on that part too but can only bluff very few days may be 4-5 of conventional kinetic attacks. India must absorb it without calling the day off on the premise of message delivered and then back to proclivity of political point scoring.
We wiped out whole NLI during kargil but didn't cross LoC. Strategic blunder. Pak army regrouped.
Today if we wipe out NLI and advance along LoC and hold strategic territory then their will heck of changes in next decade. We can handle Pakistan and jihadis from dominating position. Pakistan is at no stage to wage territorial war let alone full fledged war.
 
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I have to say when someone asks me what is our strategy along LoC and to permanently deter pakshitstanis from pushing in terrorists and why we don’t react even when blatant proof of pigs being roasted is available for all to see, I just put my hands up and say I don’t know. When another person asked how is that a SSBN power with nukes is being threatened by an inferior power with a shattered economy and getting away with it, I shake my head and say in despair : kuch patha nahi yaar. Modiji kya soch rahe hain, kya karna chahte hain, samajhna mushkil ho raha haI. Jab Balakot hua tha, Doval ne bhola ki JeM ki ghaand maara hai hum aur kabhi woh suar ab kashmir ko bhuri nazar se kabhi nahi dekhenge. Par woh aathanki bhenchod abhi bhi kashmir mein bina bhaya ghus rahen hain. Tho, is se yahi nikhaltha hai ki hamara Balakot kharavayi asafal ho chuka hai. Ab hamein aage kya karna hai, ye porkistaniyon ko hamari ungli par nachne keliye? hamari thaakath siraf kaagaz mein hi hai? Kuch samajh nhi aa raha hai kya soch ho raha hai hamare Sena mein. hmmmm.....:confused1::cruisin2::crazy::smash:
 

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It was all reactive. Indian never started those wars.
That's what. We have the initiative to react. At our will at place of choosing and with our own objective. And then result will be declared just outcome of war. That's what we did in 1971. Whole preparation of war was going on for an year. Objective were clear yet no one knew it until the result as Bangladesh was declared. Trust the institution of our country. We appear soft so that we are not on target of West.
 

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I have to say when someone asks me what is our strategy along LoC and to permanently deter pakshitstanis from pushing in terrorists and why we don’t react even when blatant proof of pigs being roasted is available for all to see, I just put my hands up and say I don’t know. When another person asked how is that a SSBN power with nukes is being threatened by an inferior power with a shattered economy and getting away with it, I shake my head and say in despair : kuch patha nahi yaar. Modiji kya soch rahe hain, kya karna chahte hain, samajhna mushkil ho raha haI. Jab Balakot hua tha, Doval ne bhola ki JeM ki ghaand maara hai hum aur kabhi woh suar ab kashmir ko bhuri nazar se kabhi nahi dekhenge. Par woh aathanki bhenchod abhi bhi kashmir mein bina bhaya ghus rahen hain. Tho, is se yahi nikhaltha hai ki hamara Balakot kharavayi asafal ho chuka hai. Ab hamein aage kya karna hai, ye porkistaniyon ko hamari ungli par nachne keliye? hamari thaakath siraf kaagaz mein hi hai? Kuch samajh nhi aa raha hai kya soch ho raha hai hamare Sena mein. hmmmm.....:confused1::cruisin2::crazy::smash:
Ek Baar Biden Ko kone me le Jaye aur jaddu ki jhappi mil jayen . Sab sawalon ke jawab mil jaenge. Ek houston hone do fir se.
 

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According to Indian counter-terrorism officials, with the withdrawal of US forces from Afghanistan and resurgence of the Taliban, its Deobandi ideological brother Jaish has got hyperactive across the Jammu and Kashmir border with no less than 14 specially trained terrorists waiting at Gujaranwala to infiltrate into India.

“Nearly 200 terrorists of mixed tanzeems are waiting at launch pads across the Line of Control (LoC) to infiltrate into India. We are picking up revival of Al-Badr group as well as creation of another terror front Lashkar-e-Mustafa, headed by one Hidyatullah Malik, and other Pakistani based Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) group training another 23 terrorists at Jangal-Mangal camp in Khyber-Paktunkhwa,”

According to senior security officials, the slain terrorists were suicide attackers as their groin area was shaved as has been witnessed in case of jihadists in the past incidents. Besides assault rifles, under barrel rocket launchers and pistols, the four were also carrying 6.5 kilograms of nitrocellulose mixed with fuel oil, an explosive used in shaped charges.


:hmm: If US forces leave then Afghanistan falls into Taliban/ISI hands and things only will get difficult for us.

Lets not forget the last time GOI tried to negotiate with the Taliban



Taliban militia protecting hijackers from possible Indian military action.

during IA 814 hijacking .
 

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Ek Baar Biden Ko kone me le Jaye aur jaddu ki jhappi mil jayen . Sab sawalon ke jawab mil jaenge. Ek houston hone do fir se.

Middle of the war ke pehale hi sab set karne ka hai ki kaun kya bolega. China ne November tak bachaya hai pak ko. Aur US President ka uncertainty pata karne do. Ek baar uska probability level samajh aa jaye. It's like asking ur gf and knowing what time is it when she's alone. But pak is a bitch so we need to know the customers which are new entrant and there stands wrt it. Bas fir sab hoga.
 

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I have to say when someone asks me what is our strategy along LoC and to permanently deter pakshitstanis from pushing in terrorists and why we don’t react even when blatant proof of pigs being roasted is available for all to see, I just put my hands up and say I don’t know. When another person asked how is that a SSBN power with nukes is being threatened by an inferior power with a shattered economy and getting away with it, I shake my head and say in despair : kuch patha nahi yaar. Modiji kya soch rahe hain, kya karna chahte hain, samajhna mushkil ho raha haI. Jab Balakot hua tha, Doval ne bhola ki JeM ki ghaand maara hai hum aur kabhi woh suar ab kashmir ko bhuri nazar se kabhi nahi dekhenge. Par woh aathanki bhenchod abhi bhi kashmir mein bina bhaya ghus rahen hain. Tho, is se yahi nikhaltha hai ki hamara Balakot kharavayi asafal ho chuka hai. Ab hamein aage kya karna hai, ye porkistaniyon ko hamari ungli par nachne keliye? hamari thaakath siraf kaagaz mein hi hai? Kuch samajh nhi aa raha hai kya soch ho raha hai hamare Sena mein. hmmmm.....:confused1::cruisin2::crazy::smash:
just wait a few more years, you will get the answer. Indian response may or may not change, but you will get your answer.:pound::pound:
 

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According to Indian counter-terrorism officials, with the withdrawal of US forces from Afghanistan and resurgence of the Taliban, its Deobandi ideological brother Jaish has got hyperactive across the Jammu and Kashmir border with no less than 14 specially trained terrorists waiting at Gujaranwala to infiltrate into India.

“Nearly 200 terrorists of mixed tanzeems are waiting at launch pads across the Line of Control (LoC) to infiltrate into India. We are picking up revival of Al-Badr group as well as creation of another terror front Lashkar-e-Mustafa, headed by one Hidyatullah Malik, and other Pakistani based Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) group training another 23 terrorists at Jangal-Mangal camp in Khyber-Paktunkhwa,”

According to senior security officials, the slain terrorists were suicide attackers as their groin area was shaved as has been witnessed in case of jihadists in the past incidents. Besides assault rifles, under barrel rocket launchers and pistols, the four were also carrying 6.5 kilograms of nitrocellulose mixed with fuel oil, an explosive used in shaped charges.


:hmm: If US forces leave then Afghanistan falls into Taliban/ISI hands and things only will get difficult for us.

Lets not forget the last time GOI tried to negotiate with the Taliban
Things are different now, there is a lot of balls to juggle for Pakistan. This is why Imran Khan wrote an opinion piece in the Washington Post saying withdrawal would be bad for the region (i.e. bad for Pakistani interests)


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According to Indian counter-terrorism officials, with the withdrawal of US forces from Afghanistan and resurgence of the Taliban, its Deobandi ideological brother Jaish has got hyperactive across the Jammu and Kashmir border with no less than 14 specially trained terrorists waiting at Gujaranwala to infiltrate into India.

“Nearly 200 terrorists of mixed tanzeems are waiting at launch pads across the Line of Control (LoC) to infiltrate into India. We are picking up revival of Al-Badr group as well as creation of another terror front Lashkar-e-Mustafa, headed by one Hidyatullah Malik, and other Pakistani based Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) group training another 23 terrorists at Jangal-Mangal camp in Khyber-Paktunkhwa,”

According to senior security officials, the slain terrorists were suicide attackers as their groin area was shaved as has been witnessed in case of jihadists in the past incidents. Besides assault rifles, under barrel rocket launchers and pistols, the four were also carrying 6.5 kilograms of nitrocellulose mixed with fuel oil, an explosive used in shaped charges.


:hmm: If US forces leave then Afghanistan falls into Taliban/ISI hands and things only will get difficult for us.

Lets not forget the last time GOI tried to negotiate with the Taliban
Whenever in doubt.

Listen to Imran's speech. And ayaaz Siddiqui.
Paseene paseene the per kaanp rahe the bajwa ke.

And one and only.

Missile laga rakhi hai. Pakki khabar hai 9 baje india attack karne wala hai. Jab ek Abhinandan ke liye ye hua socho hijack par kya hoga.

75 age crossed modi will retire ek jhola leke aya tha ek jhola leke wapas jaega. Hijack karo aur ek tha pakistan will be a reality. Esa mauka ki to talash me baithe hai upar log.


Wait till 2611 this date ,i have intution of sorts something is on for that date.
 
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We wiped out whole NLI during kargil but didn't cross LoC. Strategic blunder. Pak army regrouped.
Today if we wipe out NLI and advance along LoC and hold strategic territory then their will heck of changes in next decade. We can handle Pakistan and jihadis from dominating position. Pakistan is at no stage to wage territorial war let alone full fledged war.
Replacing NLI explains human resource abundance and institutional capability. Not crossing LOC explains political compulsion dictated by Geo-Political pressures. Both are disconnected.

One can overstretch his imagination to make tactical operations fit into current context given the whole terror enterprise is run by Pakistan army that enjoys not only plausible deniability but also keeps its conventional strength away from attrition.

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Preempting if this discussion will evoke more question on shifting the gear to strategic strikes.

Indian analysts who with all good intention talk about calling Pakistan’s nuclear bluff are actually making it difficult and reducing our options to tactical or border defence operations.

Before calling the Pakistan’s nuclear bluff which will be incidental to all out conventional war we need to deliberate how to start that bloody conventional war.
 

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Let the ddc election happen. That's what there target is. To stop grassroot development or else fasal kaha se milegi recruitment ki local. Ek baar ddc ke election hone do shaanti se. Inko nanga karke marenge. For goi priority is elections. To show international community as pak is doing fraud in gb, on name of elections. Waqt aane par ye bhi pele jaenge.
 
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Middle of the war ke pehale hi sab set karne ka hai ki kaun kya bolega. China ne November tak bachaya hai pak ko. Aur US President ka uncertainty pata karne do. Ek baar uska probability level samajh aa jaye. It's like asking ur gf and knowing what time is it when she's alone. But pak is a bitch so we need to know the customers which are new entrant and there stands wrt it. Bas fir sab hoga.
Lagtha hai Modiji Biden ko phone karke saksh batha dhena chahiye ki pure porkistan mein jor se patakhein shuru hone waalein hain, decide kar lo ki Quad chahiye ya Quaid chaahiye? India is going for the final solution that will completely internally decimate pakodastan. And we expect the UNSC, G7, World Bank etc to keep their mouths shut. Phir, TV mein announce kar dho khi hum Indus Water Treaty ko thod rahen hain. China ko bhol dho ki jab China India ke saath paani khi samajhaawat kartha hai, thab hum bhi porkiyon sein samjhotha karenge. Yeh ghoshana hi kaafi hai pakshaitano khi ghaand mein aag lagane ke liye aur aapas mein ladwaane ke liye. Paki jaanwar ek dusre ko jaldh hi shahaadat kar dhenge. Problem solved. Hamara hal paani ki niyantran mein hain. Porki Punjab ko registhaan bana dho aur hamare Rajasthan ko athi sundar bagheecha bana dho. Yahi is samasya ki ek maatr samaadhan hai.
 

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I want every member to watch this video

look at the sheer self deluded self righteous islamofascist supremacist hallucinations of this m*d#*rc#0d NSA of Al-bakistan


plz watch
:rage: frankly got triggered by their revelations.

we are spending 130mil $ trying to destabilize Pakisitan ?

why not 200 mil ? ,

Maybe we could start a kickstarter or ketto campaign
 

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I want every member to watch this video

look at the sheer self deluded self righteous islamofascist supremacist hallucinations of this m*d#*rc#0d NSA of Al-bakistan


plz watch
I hope they release the video of how a RAW indian eGeAnt killed their ISI ghazi few days back. We have presented thousands of such dossiers to pakis and the world, even USA knows that jihadis are the terror hub of the world, nobody gives a f**k or cares for anything other than mutual interests of their own.
 
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