India Pakistan conflict along LoC and counter terrorist operations

[Killbot]

How many soldiers do we lose every year to -

1) Disease, illnesses and other ailments
2) Road Accidents
3) Training Accidents

How many non-battle disabilities every year?

The men we lose to 'action' is far less when compared to the above. Their sacrifice in service to the nation is incomparable.

GoI needs to feel its b@lls for a moment and make PoK a no-go area for Pak Army. Can they do it?

The cost in terms of man, material and money is minimal.

If they 'take' PoK, they'll only recieve more losses to keep it. We need to take a page out of ISI's book and 'control' PoK clandestinely. We definitely have the finances for it. But taking PoK militarily? Not worth another decades long COIN operation. Too many lives and too much money will be lost. Why do we have organizations like AFSOD, RAW, etc.?

 

[FalconSlayers]

France shaani gand hai, sach me.
Kashmir me masjid dekhne french ayenge aur Kashmiri aane bhi denge pichhle mahine hui bakchodi ke baad?

 

[another_armchair]

If they 'take' PoK, they'll only recieve more losses to keep it. We need to take a page out of ISI's book and 'control' PoK clandestinely. We definitely have the finances for it. But taking PoK militarily? Not worth another decades long COIN operation. Too many lives and too much money will be lost. Why do we have organizations like AFSOD, RAW, etc.?

I did not say 'take' PoK. Have already expressed reservations in the past but we can definitely make many areas of PoK a no-go zone for Pak Army. Continue imposing very heavy costs on PA and PoK's jahil awaam.
They are of no use to us.

 

[cereal killer]

Root cause for the problem is our population is not ready to face any hardship due to cause of the war. Articles like rise in fuel prices, Lose of Jobs are being used to build this narrative. Let us accept the fact, ever since 2000 when lot of IT startups emerged in south India, the talk about war, surgical strikes is not welcome, the population feels that if a war erupted, the growth attained through these things will disappear.

I think people around metro cities suffer from this syndrome much more than the ones in other places. Nationalism was very high in the previous wars like 65 & 71 people were willing to go to any stretch for country.. Probably coz we were newly independent as well & people knew at what cost we got that. This is something present generations have forgot not all but most let's face it.
Even now if India decides to go to war & if it turns out bloody.. U will see NGO's JNU & other institutes start doing randi rona over that. Gandhian peace crap & everything.
I don't know how it's like in South India so I can't say anything about them.
People around border region don't give a crap. They want to End Pakis once & for all.

 

[Killbot]

I did not say 'take' PoK. Have already expressed reservations in the past but we can definitely make many areas of PoK a no-go zone for Pak Army. Continue imposing very heavy costs on PA and PoK's jahil awaam.
They are of no use to us.

Sorry, my bad. Didn't read post properly.

One way to make it a no go zone is to start an insurgency against pork army in PoK.

 

[ezsasa]

Root cause for the problem is our population is not ready to face any hardship due to cause of the war. Articles like rise in fuel prices, Lose of Jobs are being used to build this narrative. Let us accept the fact, ever since 2000 when lot of IT startups emerged in south India, the talk about war, surgical strikes is not welcome, the population feels that if a war erupted, the growth attained through these things will disappear.

just for the sake of argument..

why should the population face hardships for diplomatic issues( war is also an instrument of diplomacy)?

this is just an indication that country had moved into second stage of progression, probably have entered third stage too.

1947 - 1990 : Roti kapda makan was the priority.

1991 - 2010 : Rise of middle class.

2011 - present: Focus on Quality of life issues. Air quality, freedom of expression, BS6 compliant engines, environmentalism, internet problems etc are examples of quality of life issues.

Can’t turn the clock back, have to move forward. Everybody need not worry deeply about wars and national security, they just need to pay for it and support the country when the nation demands it.

worrying, planning & execution part will be handled by professionals.

 

[another_armchair]

Sorry, my bad. Didn't read post properly.

One way to make it a no go zone is to start an insurgency against pork army in PoK.

First, create a buffer of at least 5-10 kms in areas of maximum mischief. Punish PA and PoK people equally. They have caused immense suffering for us in the past.

Launch a massive attack and it should be so brutal that it takes the Paki's at least 2-3 months to gather courage and venture within 1 km of the fence. Once they are pushed back, make a grab of territory ( we have a historical claim and it isn't farcical like the Chinese claim) and retain it. Kick the people out. PoK is big enough to absorb a few 1000 IDPs. Rinse repeat.

One way to make it a no go zone is to start an insurgency against pork army in PoK.

Easier said than done.

 

[stew98]

another proof of recent ठुकाई.

 

[Rassil Krishnan]

just for the sake of argument..

why should the population face hardships for diplomatic issues( war is also an instrument of diplomacy)?

this is just an indication that country had moved into second stage of progression, probably have entered third stage too.

1947 - 1990 : Roti kapda makan was the priority.

1991 - 2010 : Rise of middle class.

2011 - present: Focus on Quality of life issues. Air quality, freedom of expression, BS6 compliant engines, environmentalism, internet problems etc are examples of quality of life issues.

Can’t turn the clock back, have to move forward. Everybody need not worry deeply about wars and national security, they just need to pay for it and support the country when the nation demands it.

worrying, planning & execution part will be handled by professionals.

But then the professionals especially the military types should be given free reign to do their business with objective given by elected leaders with very limited input in btw the military action and absolutely no input from the usual suspects such as Babu's,NGOs,anti national institutions.when these guys show their heads they should be clamped and immediately shutdown,that is all.

The problem is we expect the military to do it's stuff and then also give free speech to the anti-national types.what should happen is that these guys should be noted and premtively or atleast when it has started,be put under blatant gag order until the operation is done and then some people should be let out so that they can cry so that the Patriots can laugh at their sorrow causing morale boost for us.

A perfect execution of this was the 370 art removal process.that is the way to do it.the template is already there and basics can always be replicated.

 

[fire starter]

another proof of recent ठुकाई.

The Allah which he is talking about.

 

[ezsasa]

But then the professionals especially the military types should be given free reign to do their business with objective given by elected leaders with very limited input in btw the military action and absolutely no input from the usual suspects such as Babu's,NGOs,anti national institutions.when these guys show their heads they should be clamped and immediately shutdown,that is all.

The problem is we expect the military to do it's stuff and then also give free speech to the anti-national types.what should happen is that these guys should be noted and premtively or atleast when it has started,be put under blatant gag order until the operation is done and then some people should be let out so that they can cry so that the Patriots can laugh at their sorrow causing morale boost for us.

A perfect execution of this was the 370 art removal process.that is the way to do it.the template is already there and basics can always be replicated.

that may take a few decades, we are yet to reach a stage where people are yet to realise the correlation between country’s economic prosperity and personal prosperity. People collectively become prosperous, country automatically becomes prosperous.

For now, people are not questioning the socialist media narrative that Govt is responsible for country’s growth. When this narrative gets broken, people will question the NGO’s, babus and commies, who the hell are you to stop me from becoming prosperous and attaining a higher quality of life. In that case govt need not do anything.

It’s a journey that needs to taken one step at a time, can jump over to next stage. In the meanwhile every attempt should be made to make people realise that the country’s prosperity is in their hands not govts.

 

[fire starter]

 

[ezsasa]

what if, GoI already gave an answer even before Pak asked the question?

referring to counter CFV at the beginning of the week.

 

[ARVION MK 1A]

 

[mist_consecutive]

I won't be posting details, but I have been observing increased IAF activity for the last 2 days now.

 

[NAMICA]

 

[Arihant]

To save their .

 

[NAMICA]

to prepare a response plan with u/m broad imperatives: 1. Immediate destruction of identified terror launch pads across the LC. 2. Interdiction & destruction of enemy regular/irregular forces concentetrating at/in near proximity of LC with aim to ingress across the LC.

Ensure area domination & sanctity of LC (by and large). Tactical local realignments, if needed, can be undertaken after clearance from Formation Commander not less than the rank of Army Commander. He need not refer to MoD/higher HQ.

Integrated Air Defence authority, vested with IAF, to have authority to engage to destroy/dissuade any/all enemy air assets classified as a threat in proximity to LC/crossing LC. 5. Dissuading the civil population across LC from facilitating terrorists through suitable means.

No clarification needed from higher HQs for actions as above. ROEs to be issued to reflect the operational imperatives as elaborated. 7. Counter-Insurgency grid to be tightened & stress on pre-emptive Intelligence led Operations.

 

[Jor_Se_Bolo_PKMKB]

to prepare a response plan with u/m broad imperatives: 1. Immediate destruction of identified terror launch pads across the LC. 2. Interdiction & destruction of enemy regular/irregular forces concentetrating at/in near proximity of LC with aim to ingress across the LC.

Ensure area domination & sanctity of LC (by and large). Tactical local realignments, if needed, can be undertaken after clearance from Formation Commander not less than the rank of Army Commander. He need not refer to MoD/higher HQ.

Integrated Air Defence authority, vested with IAF, to have authority to engage to destroy/dissuade any/all enemy air assets classified as a threat in proximity to LC/crossing LC. 5. Dissuading the civil population across LC from facilitating terrorists through suitable means.

No clarification needed from higher HQs for actions as above. ROEs to be issued to reflect the operational imperatives as elaborated. 7. Counter-Insurgency grid to be tightened & stress on pre-emptive Intelligence led Operations.

Hellfire is usually quite conservative in these matters. Even during the height of Indo China tensions post-Galwan Valley incident, he was quite insistent that nothing will happen.

He is now hinting towards forthcoming action... I am unable to control my excitement

 

[NAMICA]

Hellfire is usually quite conservative in these matters. Even during the height of Indo China tensions post-Galwan Valley incident, he was quite insistent that nothing will happen.

He is now hinting towards forthcoming action... I am unable to control my excitement

Pakistan ki CHUdai