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Pakis will celebrate even when people around them drop like flies cause they're too brainwashed to believe their soldiers can ever die. Can't let that stuff get to you. Over a dozen Pakis have been taken out in the last 4 days by IA and Baloch fighters.
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What kind of question is that ?
North Sikkim is not giving any trouble to anyone so that you settle people there to solve problems. Settling populations is one of the ways of solving some problems.
Kashmiri valley is a settler paradise = Persians, Afghans, Tibetans, Dogras, Sikhs and Buddhists, all kinds of people settled there over historical periods. There is nothing much original there. The original Kashmiri Pundits have been driven out.
By the way, if I am told to settle anywhere in Sikkim - I would prefer North Sikkim. That is the only part of Sikkim where I can undertake sustainable agricultural activities, grow organic legumes and lentils, lots of potatoes, grow fruits, feed on hundreds of varieties of Orchids, has India's one of the largest biospheric reserve forests, lots of wildlife, a lot of water : to say the least.
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That's what they want us to do. They'll be ready with those camera's showing attorocities. PR does matter and Indians being gullible it does matter.
The problem still being we are fighting it in the wrong side of the border. We should be constantly doing drone strikes on war footing basis, but we constantly keep letting go the heat.
The other problem being coming from muzzies.....There is no other way but changing demographics.
Why should there be not a CO in battle? If the COs are there, everything will be taken properly right from the strategy to the gear required. On another note - The serious point is - the ratio of Officers and Jawans and as well as their career progression. It is high time to introspect in our recruitment system. Why these All India Services? Why no single recruitment only to the initial entry cadre?
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porkis are banged every day in 3 fronts but seems like they don't care as long as they can hide casualties and can fool their inbred awam.
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This bug/keeda of sadbhavna/madadgaar has costed us 5 lives. This made me remember 2 Major that we lost to rescue son of terrorist in another hostage situation. But our forces take pride in saving lives of these worthless abduls and ayeshas.
I hope this atleast put some sense into our Gandhigiri attitude. Let these paki salwars take as many traitors in Kashmir as hostages, kill them for all we care but don't jeopardize own lives for these ass lifters.
I hope this atleast put some sense into our Gandhigiri attitude. Let these paki salwars take as many traitors in Kashmir as hostages, kill them for all we care but don't jeopardize own lives for these ass lifters.
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Jinaza-e-Karobar Mechanics of Funeral Procession of Militants (Terrorist Funeral Cottage Industry)
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23 hours ago The Real Kashmir News
The news of large crowd joining the funeral procession of three local militants out of five killed in Keran Sector of Kupwara district of Kashmir made me inquisitive to know as to how the funeral procession of a militant who has not even been operating in Kashmir was attended by such a large number of people. I had heard of all kinds of stories about these processions ranging from “death of militants causes frenzy of martyrdom among people from across the age groups” at one extreme to “it is one of many businesses such as protests and stone pelting that thrive in the conflict industry” on the other extreme.
Between these two poles, there were plenty of explanations about why a particular methodology is adopted, why is body draped in green, why always a particular group of youth or maulvis are visible, why women beat their chests in a particular manner or sing songs of blood and valour? Since majority of explanations were beyond the scope of my logics, I decided to get the first hand experience of one or two processions.
I shared this desire with a Kashmiri youth who is an activist by nature but critique of violence and conflict. He suggested to me that before I attend a procession proper, he will expose me to the various contributing components of the procession and also that I must grow my beard.At the first go, on 13th March, on hearing the news of Mudasir Ahmad, a militant from Shutloo village, Rafiabad in Baramulla getting killed by the security forces, he told me that he will be taking me to another village Rahama which has considerable Jamat-e-Islami influence, in the vicinity of Shutloo – the village from where the slain militant belonged. I was very inquisitive about what was I going to witness that day. He explained that we will be going to the house of one of the locals who is a close family friend of his and who will not mind sharing certain truths. Few hours after we reached, a Jamat-e-Islami activist known as Nasir (name changed) appeared at his house and informed that Namaz-e-Janaza of the martyr will be starting and atleast two members per family must attend.
When Mukhtar (name changed) told us as to what was the diktat given by the visitor, I asked him whether he would abide by the directive? He told me that he can’t avoid because someone sitting at a shop next doors or at another corner will be taking a note of who is going to attend the procession and who is not. Those who don’t, will face retribution. Trying to seek more information about the credentials of the messenger, I learnt that he is some sort of contractor who has been paid to generate a portion of the crowd from the village. He uses the threat of action by militants or religious punishment or social pressure against the people to mobilize them for procession. There would be a network of hundreds like him who would work like a well oiled machine to ensure that crowd generation looks like a voluntary phenomenon.
My natural response was as to who pays for it and why? I learnt that Jamat-e-Islami is a key element of the Kashmir separatist movement. Processions being extremely vital means for keeping the sentiment alive, ensuring that the cause is seen as just, inciting youth for joining militancy and above all for attaching the element of honour with Jihad. These are funded by Pakistan, local religious bodies and even business community that owes, is forced or coerced to submit allegiance to the cause.
During yester years, when sentiment of Azadi was genuinely high, the crowd in procession was natural. But, with passage of time, people are no more interested in wasting time on a youth who has gone astray and try to avoid. Moreover, this has become lucrative business because there are contractors and sub contractors, there are funeral brigades and groups of women who serve well to beat their chests and cry out loud, thereby presenting a good sight for videos to be recorded and fed to Pakistani handles for propaganda. Learning all this multiplied my curiosity for going through the entire motion of funeral procession of one or two militants.
Then came the occasion when I was indicated by Iqbal (name changed) that he would be taking me to Shutloo where the procession of Mudasir is due to take off from. We reached the village well before time when even the dead body had not been handed over to the family by Police. So, as a mourner, I got a chance to sit next to the father and mother of Mudasir and could listen to the conversation filled with sadness and remorse. Like any other parent who lost their son, they too went through the life time of their son. How he grew as a child, how the environment played on the psyche of youth, how radicalisation in society was affecting the minds of young impressionable minds, and so on. In between, the mother starts blaming the father on how he failed to check the son when he started getting attracted towards fundamentalist thoughts of some ulemas.
She also quoted an instance when she had picked up a fight asking the father to stop him from meeting the separatist leaders who were corroding sanity from his mind. The mother started blaming the father wishing that if he had played the role of strong father, the son would be alive. She even quoted the instance when the son had broken the news that he wished to join the Azadi tandem. How she had pleaded to the son and father to leave Valley and settle down somewhere else but they didn’t pay any heed to her calls. Listening to the talks, there was no doubt in my mind that a parent is a parent, so what if the son is a militant. Their hearts bleed for the child and they are as helpless as anyone else. There was also no myth left in my mind about the reasons for young guys picking up guns. It had to do nothing with the movement, it had nothing to do with the conscious call, it was rather all to do with emotional fallout of what is played before them, it is all to do with false sense of manhood that they acquire by holding guns and it has all to do with lack of hope and dream.
Slowly, the people trickled in and the sense of loss prevailed in the environment. Thus far, there was no Azadi, no martyrdom or even religious purpose of death. It was pure mourning because those who were around were real well wishers, genuine friends and relatives. It was time for the body to arrive. Minutes before the Police brought the body, a group of 15 young and adult youths arrived. They carried a special aura around them, a feel of professionalism. Few of them reached out to parents, whispered into their ears (which was learnt later that parents were being directed as to how they have to behave and what they have to say during the course of preparation and actual procession), few reached out to friends and relatives while the rest got into the act of making a makeshift platform high enough to be visible to maximum people who congregate.
My friend Mukhtar explained to me that these people were part of the Funeral Brigade meant to orchestrate the entire proceedings, adding the effect and emotion of Azadi. Likes of Nasir were perhaps pushing the people from hundreds of villages and townships. The crowd started swelling. Soon the ambulance carrying the mortal remains of the militant arrives duly escorted by Police. The crowd makes the way for the body to be taken to the platform. Suddenly, a slogan “hamei chahiye” (meaning what do we want), is raised and promptly comes the response “Azadi”. The response was faint and this annoys the Funeral Brigade. Strong gestures are made by one of them, seemingly the leaders or commander, towards the other members of the Brigade to ensure high intensity sloganeering. The effect was immediately visible. Within no time a group of veiled women arrives followed by some more youth. The jostling among previous lot from Funeral Brigade vindicated that the latest group of men and women too are part of the same effort. The men from this group push through the jostling crowd and reach the body of the militant to kiss the militant’s forehead, touch his feet and rub their hands on their body while women started crying in loud voices with extreme emotional outpouring. It was evident that some kind of reverential treatment was being given to the militant by the men folk whereas women were adding to the feeling of personal loss. Women started resorting to chest thumping and cries so strong that even the most dissociated person like me started getting impacted. The crowd continued to swell with every passing minute. Slogans of azadi started turning more aggressive and the environment was getting charged up. Soon a group of teenagers took to the microphone, exhorting mourners to continue their “azadi struggle” by singing songs of defiance. The mood was now changing into that of “celebration” of martyrdom. Soon I drifted towards the place where parents of the militant were sitting. I could clearly discern that the members of Funeral Brigade were constantly putting words into their mouth, thereby changing the entire line of expression. Poor parents were not even allowed to mourn the death of their child in peace. The procession was being deliberately delayed, perhaps in the wait for more crowd to gather. The policemen at the place were constantly approaching the parents to start the procession. Perhaps they had orders from their bosses to ensure early funeral.
Every time a militant is killed, the local police and civil administration gets concerned about protests and vandalisation. Procession finally starts with the Funeral Brigade into full action. People, mobilized by JeI keep joining enroute and the crowd keeps swelling up. Members of the Brigade remain busy clicking photographs and videos as also forwarding to their masters for further propagation. Another local person who was apparently more enlightened than the others about the conflict dynamics explained “these visuals are also the proof for Funeral Brigade to claim their remuneration for the job job well done.
They send them to masters within Kashmir, who in turn send these visuals to people sitting across for propagation to the audiences within Pakistan, OPEC countries and rest of the world.” Amid the slogans for Azadi, praise for Pakistan, abuses for the occupational forces and all sorts of filthy phrases for India, the procession reaches the burial ground. At the burial ground, one more strange activity drew my attention towards a lady. A fat middle aged woman, draped in ‘burqa’ appeared at the funeral site of the militant. She had a green polythene bag under her arm and claimed to have come from some far off place just to say goodbye to her militant son (anyone who is a militant becomes her son). Such stories of devotion towards those who lay down their lives for Azadi, draw lot of media attention and sympathy from people. All the acts put together, generate enough mileage among youth and they get drawn towards joining militancy.
This lady was not related to the militant biologically, yet she claimed that she had breastfed him when he was an infant. I learnt later that this act was also part of the many machinations constituting the Jinazah-e-Karobar or the business of funeral procession. The optics such as withered plastic sandals, tired look justifying long distance walk and looks indicating how tormented she was on hearing the news about his killing add immensely to the propaganda related to the Azadi. As if the members of Azadi brigade were waiting for her, they lost no time and lifted her onto their shoulders and carried her to the militant’s bullet-riddled body.Once there, she kissed his bullet-pocked, deformed face, took a handful of candies from the bag and threw them on his body, a tradition observed when Kashmiri grooms return home with their brides.She then addressed the crowd.”Would you like to become a police officer?” she began, to which the angry crowd chanted back “No, we won’t!””Would you like to become a militant?” she continued.”Yes, we will,” the crowd roared in response.”Would you like to become Tiger?” she said, referring to a famous Kashmiri militant Burhan Wani, also known as Burhan Tiger, who was killed in 2016.”Yes, we want to!” the crowd responded.”Then say it loudly,” she shouted.”Azadi! (freedom),” the crowd responded.Interacting with some reasonable people suggested that this was almost common to all the funerals undertaken anywhere in Kashmir, particularly South Kashmir.
The larger perspective of the funeral processions for which ISI and separatists are heavily investing, is to create role models and heroes for imitation by the young generation. This gives them courage to start defying the law and order, pelt stones and stand in front of Indian Army vehicles to block their movement. They block roads and by lanes when militants are cordoned by security forces. Then, they resort to violence and agitations to obstruct the conduct of operations. Any untoward incident, further generates anger and violence. Often, an act of firing from among someone who is part of the crowd sparks and fuels the spiral of deadly violence.Militant leader Burhan Wani’s death in a gun battle with government forces in July 2016 initiated a long drawn violence in the valley.
The impact of such processions is so quick that a young lady joins the militant rank with few days and even gets killed in operation. One often hears or reads that so and so was few days old militant which was also the case this time with Mudasir as he had joined militancy just eight days back and got killed.
Written by M. S. Nazki
http://therealkashmir.com/jinaza-e-karobar-mechanics-of-funeral-procession-of-militants/
10 min read
23 hours ago The Real Kashmir News
2 May 2020
The news of large crowd joining the funeral procession of three local militants out of five killed in Keran Sector of Kupwara district of Kashmir made me inquisitive to know as to how the funeral procession of a militant who has not even been operating in Kashmir was attended by such a large number of people. I had heard of all kinds of stories about these processions ranging from “death of militants causes frenzy of martyrdom among people from across the age groups” at one extreme to “it is one of many businesses such as protests and stone pelting that thrive in the conflict industry” on the other extreme.
Between these two poles, there were plenty of explanations about why a particular methodology is adopted, why is body draped in green, why always a particular group of youth or maulvis are visible, why women beat their chests in a particular manner or sing songs of blood and valour? Since majority of explanations were beyond the scope of my logics, I decided to get the first hand experience of one or two processions.
I shared this desire with a Kashmiri youth who is an activist by nature but critique of violence and conflict. He suggested to me that before I attend a procession proper, he will expose me to the various contributing components of the procession and also that I must grow my beard.At the first go, on 13th March, on hearing the news of Mudasir Ahmad, a militant from Shutloo village, Rafiabad in Baramulla getting killed by the security forces, he told me that he will be taking me to another village Rahama which has considerable Jamat-e-Islami influence, in the vicinity of Shutloo – the village from where the slain militant belonged. I was very inquisitive about what was I going to witness that day. He explained that we will be going to the house of one of the locals who is a close family friend of his and who will not mind sharing certain truths. Few hours after we reached, a Jamat-e-Islami activist known as Nasir (name changed) appeared at his house and informed that Namaz-e-Janaza of the martyr will be starting and atleast two members per family must attend.
When Mukhtar (name changed) told us as to what was the diktat given by the visitor, I asked him whether he would abide by the directive? He told me that he can’t avoid because someone sitting at a shop next doors or at another corner will be taking a note of who is going to attend the procession and who is not. Those who don’t, will face retribution. Trying to seek more information about the credentials of the messenger, I learnt that he is some sort of contractor who has been paid to generate a portion of the crowd from the village. He uses the threat of action by militants or religious punishment or social pressure against the people to mobilize them for procession. There would be a network of hundreds like him who would work like a well oiled machine to ensure that crowd generation looks like a voluntary phenomenon.
My natural response was as to who pays for it and why? I learnt that Jamat-e-Islami is a key element of the Kashmir separatist movement. Processions being extremely vital means for keeping the sentiment alive, ensuring that the cause is seen as just, inciting youth for joining militancy and above all for attaching the element of honour with Jihad. These are funded by Pakistan, local religious bodies and even business community that owes, is forced or coerced to submit allegiance to the cause.
During yester years, when sentiment of Azadi was genuinely high, the crowd in procession was natural. But, with passage of time, people are no more interested in wasting time on a youth who has gone astray and try to avoid. Moreover, this has become lucrative business because there are contractors and sub contractors, there are funeral brigades and groups of women who serve well to beat their chests and cry out loud, thereby presenting a good sight for videos to be recorded and fed to Pakistani handles for propaganda. Learning all this multiplied my curiosity for going through the entire motion of funeral procession of one or two militants.
Then came the occasion when I was indicated by Iqbal (name changed) that he would be taking me to Shutloo where the procession of Mudasir is due to take off from. We reached the village well before time when even the dead body had not been handed over to the family by Police. So, as a mourner, I got a chance to sit next to the father and mother of Mudasir and could listen to the conversation filled with sadness and remorse. Like any other parent who lost their son, they too went through the life time of their son. How he grew as a child, how the environment played on the psyche of youth, how radicalisation in society was affecting the minds of young impressionable minds, and so on. In between, the mother starts blaming the father on how he failed to check the son when he started getting attracted towards fundamentalist thoughts of some ulemas.
She also quoted an instance when she had picked up a fight asking the father to stop him from meeting the separatist leaders who were corroding sanity from his mind. The mother started blaming the father wishing that if he had played the role of strong father, the son would be alive. She even quoted the instance when the son had broken the news that he wished to join the Azadi tandem. How she had pleaded to the son and father to leave Valley and settle down somewhere else but they didn’t pay any heed to her calls. Listening to the talks, there was no doubt in my mind that a parent is a parent, so what if the son is a militant. Their hearts bleed for the child and they are as helpless as anyone else. There was also no myth left in my mind about the reasons for young guys picking up guns. It had to do nothing with the movement, it had nothing to do with the conscious call, it was rather all to do with emotional fallout of what is played before them, it is all to do with false sense of manhood that they acquire by holding guns and it has all to do with lack of hope and dream.
Slowly, the people trickled in and the sense of loss prevailed in the environment. Thus far, there was no Azadi, no martyrdom or even religious purpose of death. It was pure mourning because those who were around were real well wishers, genuine friends and relatives. It was time for the body to arrive. Minutes before the Police brought the body, a group of 15 young and adult youths arrived. They carried a special aura around them, a feel of professionalism. Few of them reached out to parents, whispered into their ears (which was learnt later that parents were being directed as to how they have to behave and what they have to say during the course of preparation and actual procession), few reached out to friends and relatives while the rest got into the act of making a makeshift platform high enough to be visible to maximum people who congregate.
My friend Mukhtar explained to me that these people were part of the Funeral Brigade meant to orchestrate the entire proceedings, adding the effect and emotion of Azadi. Likes of Nasir were perhaps pushing the people from hundreds of villages and townships. The crowd started swelling. Soon the ambulance carrying the mortal remains of the militant arrives duly escorted by Police. The crowd makes the way for the body to be taken to the platform. Suddenly, a slogan “hamei chahiye” (meaning what do we want), is raised and promptly comes the response “Azadi”. The response was faint and this annoys the Funeral Brigade. Strong gestures are made by one of them, seemingly the leaders or commander, towards the other members of the Brigade to ensure high intensity sloganeering. The effect was immediately visible. Within no time a group of veiled women arrives followed by some more youth. The jostling among previous lot from Funeral Brigade vindicated that the latest group of men and women too are part of the same effort. The men from this group push through the jostling crowd and reach the body of the militant to kiss the militant’s forehead, touch his feet and rub their hands on their body while women started crying in loud voices with extreme emotional outpouring. It was evident that some kind of reverential treatment was being given to the militant by the men folk whereas women were adding to the feeling of personal loss. Women started resorting to chest thumping and cries so strong that even the most dissociated person like me started getting impacted. The crowd continued to swell with every passing minute. Slogans of azadi started turning more aggressive and the environment was getting charged up. Soon a group of teenagers took to the microphone, exhorting mourners to continue their “azadi struggle” by singing songs of defiance. The mood was now changing into that of “celebration” of martyrdom. Soon I drifted towards the place where parents of the militant were sitting. I could clearly discern that the members of Funeral Brigade were constantly putting words into their mouth, thereby changing the entire line of expression. Poor parents were not even allowed to mourn the death of their child in peace. The procession was being deliberately delayed, perhaps in the wait for more crowd to gather. The policemen at the place were constantly approaching the parents to start the procession. Perhaps they had orders from their bosses to ensure early funeral.
Every time a militant is killed, the local police and civil administration gets concerned about protests and vandalisation. Procession finally starts with the Funeral Brigade into full action. People, mobilized by JeI keep joining enroute and the crowd keeps swelling up. Members of the Brigade remain busy clicking photographs and videos as also forwarding to their masters for further propagation. Another local person who was apparently more enlightened than the others about the conflict dynamics explained “these visuals are also the proof for Funeral Brigade to claim their remuneration for the job job well done.
They send them to masters within Kashmir, who in turn send these visuals to people sitting across for propagation to the audiences within Pakistan, OPEC countries and rest of the world.” Amid the slogans for Azadi, praise for Pakistan, abuses for the occupational forces and all sorts of filthy phrases for India, the procession reaches the burial ground. At the burial ground, one more strange activity drew my attention towards a lady. A fat middle aged woman, draped in ‘burqa’ appeared at the funeral site of the militant. She had a green polythene bag under her arm and claimed to have come from some far off place just to say goodbye to her militant son (anyone who is a militant becomes her son). Such stories of devotion towards those who lay down their lives for Azadi, draw lot of media attention and sympathy from people. All the acts put together, generate enough mileage among youth and they get drawn towards joining militancy.
This lady was not related to the militant biologically, yet she claimed that she had breastfed him when he was an infant. I learnt later that this act was also part of the many machinations constituting the Jinazah-e-Karobar or the business of funeral procession. The optics such as withered plastic sandals, tired look justifying long distance walk and looks indicating how tormented she was on hearing the news about his killing add immensely to the propaganda related to the Azadi. As if the members of Azadi brigade were waiting for her, they lost no time and lifted her onto their shoulders and carried her to the militant’s bullet-riddled body.Once there, she kissed his bullet-pocked, deformed face, took a handful of candies from the bag and threw them on his body, a tradition observed when Kashmiri grooms return home with their brides.She then addressed the crowd.”Would you like to become a police officer?” she began, to which the angry crowd chanted back “No, we won’t!””Would you like to become a militant?” she continued.”Yes, we will,” the crowd roared in response.”Would you like to become Tiger?” she said, referring to a famous Kashmiri militant Burhan Wani, also known as Burhan Tiger, who was killed in 2016.”Yes, we want to!” the crowd responded.”Then say it loudly,” she shouted.”Azadi! (freedom),” the crowd responded.Interacting with some reasonable people suggested that this was almost common to all the funerals undertaken anywhere in Kashmir, particularly South Kashmir.
The larger perspective of the funeral processions for which ISI and separatists are heavily investing, is to create role models and heroes for imitation by the young generation. This gives them courage to start defying the law and order, pelt stones and stand in front of Indian Army vehicles to block their movement. They block roads and by lanes when militants are cordoned by security forces. Then, they resort to violence and agitations to obstruct the conduct of operations. Any untoward incident, further generates anger and violence. Often, an act of firing from among someone who is part of the crowd sparks and fuels the spiral of deadly violence.Militant leader Burhan Wani’s death in a gun battle with government forces in July 2016 initiated a long drawn violence in the valley.
The impact of such processions is so quick that a young lady joins the militant rank with few days and even gets killed in operation. One often hears or reads that so and so was few days old militant which was also the case this time with Mudasir as he had joined militancy just eight days back and got killed.
Written by M. S. Nazki
http://therealkashmir.com/jinaza-e-karobar-mechanics-of-funeral-procession-of-militants/
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So first reports were true ,army's "sadbhavana" policy reaping rich dividends ,2 senior officers killed in ragtag terrorist attack , humiliating as far as we are concerned ,even bajrang dal with Ishapore L1A1 will finish the job of insurgency , Kashmiri muslims provide intelligence,food, shelter,money to Jihadis & we provide them free electricity,scholarships,govt aid ,govt schemes & our force provide them medical camps,tourist sightseeing & over the top aid ,think beyond the winning of heart & minds this is not UN mission you do this charade,learn from Tatmadaw ,learn from marathas ,forget about west & human rights finish them
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Kashmir Police Begin Burying Slain Terrorists, Won’t Hand Over Bodies to Kin ‘to Stop Pro-Jihad’ Gatherings
Four jihadists, who police said belonged to al-Qaeda’s Kashmir-region affiliate - Ansar Ghazwa’tul Hind - were buried in a government-managed graveyard on April 22, documents seen by Network 18 record.
Praveen Swami | News18
Updated:April 25, 2020, 12:53 PM IST
New Delhi: The Jammu and Kashmir Police has decided to cease handing over the bodies of slain terrorists to their families, highly-placed government sources have told Network18, after they faced growing crowds of protestors chanting Islamist slogans at the funerals.
Instead, the sources said, the burials are being conducted by local authorities, under the supervision of a magistrate. “Every effort is being made to conduct burials in a respectful manner, in the presence of their families and in full compliance with religious requirements,” a senior officer of the Jammu and Kashmir Police said. “DNA samples are also being maintained to ensure transparency”.
“There is no legal obligation to hand over bodies of terrorists killed in combat to their families”, the officer said. “Recall that even the body of Mohammad Afzal Guru, the Parliament House attacker, was buried in Tihar Jail after his hanging”.
Four jihadists, who police said belonged to al-Qaeda’s Kashmir-region affiliate - Ansar Ghazwa’tul Hind - were buried in a government-managed graveyard on April 22, documents seen by Network 18 record.
The families of Basharat Shah and Wakeel Ahmad Dar, both residents of the district of Pulwama, and Tariq Ahmad Bhat, of the district of Shopian, attended the burial, the documents show.
However, the family of slain jihadist Uzair Ahmad Bhat, from the district of Baramulla in north Kashmir, could not attend the burial.
Hizbul-Mujahideen jihadists Sajad Ahmed, hailing from the village of Daramdora in Shopian and Sartaj Ahmed from Yaripora in Kulgam—both killed in an intense firefight on the Line of Control near Keran earlier this month—were also buried in a south Kashmir graveyard, along with three unidentified jihadists believed to be Pakistani nationals.
Kashmir government officials became increasingly alarmed when, early this month, several hundred people gathered for the burial rites of slain Jaish-e-Muhammad terrorist Sajjad Nawab Dar in Sopore, defying restrictions on gatherings.
The burial of Hizbul Mujahideen’s Mohammed Ashraf Malik in Kulgam’s Arwani also drew large crowds. The gatherings—the first since Article 370 was de-operationalised in August—raised fears that jihadists were reappearing.
The phenomenon had started in 2015, when large crowds had begun assembling in Kashmir with the funeral Lashkar-e-Taiba jihadist Abdul Rehman, also known as Abu Qasim.
A senior police official warned, however, that not handing over bodies to families could become an additional propaganda tool for jihadist groups. “Burying the bodies doesn’t stop jihad sympathisers form holding funeral rites in the absence of the corpse, as has been done many times in the past,” he pointed out. “There’s also the possibility that mobs will try to dig up the corpses, and carry them back to villages”.
“The attendance at jihadist funerals is a symptom of growing resentment against the government, and a political vacuum that’s allowing Islamists to cash in on it,” the officer said. “That’s the problem we really need to be fixing”.
Local authorities in Kashmir have long had responsibility for the burial unidentified terrorists—among them, the thousands of Pakistani nationals killed while attempting to cross the Line of Control, or in encounters with Indian forces inside Kashmir.
Islamabad has long refused to acknowledge that those slain are Pakistani nationals, and accept repatriation of their remains, even though jihadist groups based in that country have published lists of those killed, along with obituaries.
In 2011, allegations surfaced that those buried in these graveyards also included missing ethnic Kashmiris, alleged to have been victims of extra-judicial executions by Indian security forces. Former chief minister Omar Abdullah had responded angrily to the allegations, saying “with authority that all the disappeared persons are not buried in these graves”.
Later, the State Human Rights Commission had ordered the government to collect DNA samples for 2,156 unidentified bodies buried in 38 graveyards across five districts of north Kashmir. Few families, though, came forward to seek DNA cross-matching with the samples.
Former chief minister Mehbooba Mufti told the Jammu and Kashmir Assembly that another 4,088 persons listed as missing in government records were living in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, many serving in jihadist groups.
The government’s willingness to risk controversy by refusing to hand over the bodies of jihadists, sources said, is driven by signs that the months-long hiatus in violence that followed the de-operationalisation of Article 370 could be coming to an end.
From January 1 to April 20, police records show, 34 Kashmir residents are believed to have joined jihadist groups—numbers similar to the 41 who did so in the same time period last year, and a sharp increase over the zero recruitment witnessed from August to November.
Police records also show that 46 terrorists were killed from January 1-April 20—well below the 71 killed in the same period of 2019, but again a sharp increase from the months after Article 370 was de-operationalised.
Even though security force fatalities appear to have dropped sharply for this period, to 17 from 61 during the corresponding period of last year 2019, the numbers are almost identical if a single, unusual incident—40 central police personnel killed in Pulwama—are removed from last year’s tally. “All in all”, a senior police officer observed, “we seem to be inching backwards to where we were.”
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Four jihadists, who police said belonged to al-Qaeda’s Kashmir-region affiliate - Ansar Ghazwa’tul Hind - were buried in a government-managed graveyard on April 22, documents seen by Network 18 record.
Praveen Swami | News18
Updated:April 25, 2020, 12:53 PM IST
New Delhi: The Jammu and Kashmir Police has decided to cease handing over the bodies of slain terrorists to their families, highly-placed government sources have told Network18, after they faced growing crowds of protestors chanting Islamist slogans at the funerals.
Instead, the sources said, the burials are being conducted by local authorities, under the supervision of a magistrate. “Every effort is being made to conduct burials in a respectful manner, in the presence of their families and in full compliance with religious requirements,” a senior officer of the Jammu and Kashmir Police said. “DNA samples are also being maintained to ensure transparency”.
“There is no legal obligation to hand over bodies of terrorists killed in combat to their families”, the officer said. “Recall that even the body of Mohammad Afzal Guru, the Parliament House attacker, was buried in Tihar Jail after his hanging”.
Four jihadists, who police said belonged to al-Qaeda’s Kashmir-region affiliate - Ansar Ghazwa’tul Hind - were buried in a government-managed graveyard on April 22, documents seen by Network 18 record.
The families of Basharat Shah and Wakeel Ahmad Dar, both residents of the district of Pulwama, and Tariq Ahmad Bhat, of the district of Shopian, attended the burial, the documents show.
However, the family of slain jihadist Uzair Ahmad Bhat, from the district of Baramulla in north Kashmir, could not attend the burial.
Hizbul-Mujahideen jihadists Sajad Ahmed, hailing from the village of Daramdora in Shopian and Sartaj Ahmed from Yaripora in Kulgam—both killed in an intense firefight on the Line of Control near Keran earlier this month—were also buried in a south Kashmir graveyard, along with three unidentified jihadists believed to be Pakistani nationals.
Kashmir government officials became increasingly alarmed when, early this month, several hundred people gathered for the burial rites of slain Jaish-e-Muhammad terrorist Sajjad Nawab Dar in Sopore, defying restrictions on gatherings.
The burial of Hizbul Mujahideen’s Mohammed Ashraf Malik in Kulgam’s Arwani also drew large crowds. The gatherings—the first since Article 370 was de-operationalised in August—raised fears that jihadists were reappearing.
The phenomenon had started in 2015, when large crowds had begun assembling in Kashmir with the funeral Lashkar-e-Taiba jihadist Abdul Rehman, also known as Abu Qasim.
A senior police official warned, however, that not handing over bodies to families could become an additional propaganda tool for jihadist groups. “Burying the bodies doesn’t stop jihad sympathisers form holding funeral rites in the absence of the corpse, as has been done many times in the past,” he pointed out. “There’s also the possibility that mobs will try to dig up the corpses, and carry them back to villages”.
“The attendance at jihadist funerals is a symptom of growing resentment against the government, and a political vacuum that’s allowing Islamists to cash in on it,” the officer said. “That’s the problem we really need to be fixing”.
Local authorities in Kashmir have long had responsibility for the burial unidentified terrorists—among them, the thousands of Pakistani nationals killed while attempting to cross the Line of Control, or in encounters with Indian forces inside Kashmir.
Islamabad has long refused to acknowledge that those slain are Pakistani nationals, and accept repatriation of their remains, even though jihadist groups based in that country have published lists of those killed, along with obituaries.
In 2011, allegations surfaced that those buried in these graveyards also included missing ethnic Kashmiris, alleged to have been victims of extra-judicial executions by Indian security forces. Former chief minister Omar Abdullah had responded angrily to the allegations, saying “with authority that all the disappeared persons are not buried in these graves”.
Later, the State Human Rights Commission had ordered the government to collect DNA samples for 2,156 unidentified bodies buried in 38 graveyards across five districts of north Kashmir. Few families, though, came forward to seek DNA cross-matching with the samples.
Former chief minister Mehbooba Mufti told the Jammu and Kashmir Assembly that another 4,088 persons listed as missing in government records were living in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, many serving in jihadist groups.
The government’s willingness to risk controversy by refusing to hand over the bodies of jihadists, sources said, is driven by signs that the months-long hiatus in violence that followed the de-operationalisation of Article 370 could be coming to an end.
From January 1 to April 20, police records show, 34 Kashmir residents are believed to have joined jihadist groups—numbers similar to the 41 who did so in the same time period last year, and a sharp increase over the zero recruitment witnessed from August to November.
Police records also show that 46 terrorists were killed from January 1-April 20—well below the 71 killed in the same period of 2019, but again a sharp increase from the months after Article 370 was de-operationalised.
Even though security force fatalities appear to have dropped sharply for this period, to 17 from 61 during the corresponding period of last year 2019, the numbers are almost identical if a single, unusual incident—40 central police personnel killed in Pulwama—are removed from last year’s tally. “All in all”, a senior police officer observed, “we seem to be inching backwards to where we were.”
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I can literally feel the Dreadful sensation felt by the Troops of 21RR when they heard the Voice of Trashmiri Terrorist saying “Assalamualaikum” with a laugh through the Personal Phone of there Unit Commander himself.
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Really, this is not the fcking time to discuss dick measuring regarding army operations, this is the same army own all 4 war against a terrorist nation, don't teach them how to conduct a rescue op , bajrgdal can suck di..k don't compare prof. Army with bunch of clowns, they scarified for their cause they can easily blow up entire building without setting foot on it but they didn't becoz there was civilians inside , all j&k ppl are not anti national also All Muslims in India too, they also serving their country in respective ways, stop fcking derailing the thread and give respect to brave heart's sacrificed for our nation, ppl like u just judge army for their minor set back, where are u when we killed militants like rats last weeks, stop being dick heads like in NDTV act like an Indian take a second to remember their supreme scarifies to give us peaceful life not the other way around.
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It does happen in battle milieu...
In any large operation involving a company or more, a good CO is always present.
His team was the first to enter the house is also not strange as before their entry there was probably no fire from the house.. or the team was typically ambushed inside the house... The fact that there was one inspector of JKP along suggests the house was considered safe to enter....
These types of incidents occur in CT operation where most of the firefights are CQB ... unless the fire is drawn from a house, there is no way to know that terrorists are indeed there.... One can not ascertain the quality and authenticity of the information if any...
The sacrifices of those Bravehearts will not go in vain.... My salute to them...
We took out a brigadier in Neelum valley last month. Did any one of them give a shit? "Oh well died of a heart attack" is what they went with. These people are sub-humans with very limited mental capacity.
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We must take all our 272 sukhoi all our artillery and tanks and send them all to museum's since we are never going to use them against pakistan anyway why bother maintaining them at all.
We must just train a few troops to win hearts and minds in kashmir because that is what our leaders feel is the best thing to do.
We created an army to wage wars to capture territory but now we will lose them all in a cow shed since muh hearts and mind.
And if any retard comes and tell me a few bad ops happen can't do anything it was inevitable fuck off from here.
You won't give the army permission to do what they were formed to do you instead you ask them to fight with one of their hands tied.
Fuck this shit
We must just train a few troops to win hearts and minds in kashmir because that is what our leaders feel is the best thing to do.
We created an army to wage wars to capture territory but now we will lose them all in a cow shed since muh hearts and mind.
And if any retard comes and tell me a few bad ops happen can't do anything it was inevitable fuck off from here.
You won't give the army permission to do what they were formed to do you instead you ask them to fight with one of their hands tied.
Fuck this shit
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It was a clear trap. Pure failed operation owing to secularism of our army and government to do aman ki asha. Looks like we are fighting a war that we will never win. The whole Kashmiri Muslim population supports pakistan. They keep pelting stones,like yesterday too. They massacred and and drove off Hindus from Kashmir with paki help. You cant win in a region where the local population is completely hostile to you. So the new pig outfit TRF have tasted success and and another win for the pakis. Looks like for porkstan the pigs are expendable, for India its soldiers are expendable. What will be our reaction, pounding paki posts and encountering pigs. No wonder we are a global laughing stock pertaining to military operations in Kashmir. Just give that fcking piece of shit Kashmir to porkstan and end this shit. Looks like it's the only way for peace.
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May be this not true at all, the realty will remain grey away from the scrutiny of public. Don't trust on this news related to hostage as it may be projected for hiding glaring gap in the operational strategy. After 70 years of Freedom & Democracy, the bureaucracy (Civil and Military Both) doesn't trust their citizen to provide full information of such operations where the hard lesson learned could be institutionalize (In that way, we are no different than Russia or China). All we would hear is some unverified reports or fanboy fantasies. That's the sad part!
My speculation:
1. The said hostage family may be related to some informant or double agent; safety of which would have required intervention of CO.
2. From the body count, it appears that it is 5 vs 2 scenario. If we discount CO aside, 4 SF (1 Major, 2 Buddy, 1 JKP) personnel are available for fight (considering a hostage situation Not ambush). Not a difficult scenario considering flanking maneuvers may have distracted the jihadis. However, it didn't happen. It lead to the possibility that the entire group got incapacitated by grenade attack by the tangos in the room in which they were allegedly trapped.
3. Another scenario is that, the CO got injured in the initial exchange of fire, so to protect him they got stuck in the soft skinned shelter (It appeared from the video, tin sheets & wooden gates can't stop AK rounds) where they came under heavy spray of fire leading to high casualties.
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