India Pakistan conflict along LoC and counter terrorist operations

[Shashank Nayak]

Give an alternative suggestion to having troops on ground with weapons for securing your citizens with severe restrictions on employment of fire.

As the BSF guys were "securing kashmiris" .. that's the best suggestion I got... just send them without guns.

 

[WARREN SS]

Your specific post, which made me feel that you were assuming RAW to be actively involved in Baluchitsan, is as under:

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Of course, one should not derive such conclusions where the member samsaptaka is expressing scepticism over RAW support to Baluch 'so much as we think' and you reply as above.

Only problem, normal people will reach the same conclusion as I have.

Rest of the post not quoted - look at the players involved - GCC-Iran-Afghanistan-Pakistan with India-US-Israel-Russia-China at the periphery. Will explain the tremendous flux.

I Never Said R&AW is Involved but It not the only foreign ops agency india have

Kulbhushan was not mere business man operating from iran (no logical mind will conclude that )
Let It be clear Many Ex R&AW officials claimed R&AW presence in Iran but
I Never claimed Jhadav being from R&AW.



Vikram sood Is also talk about NWFP And that Seriously interested me(He is no nonsense guy),He didn't give many things out but he is hinting many things(Specially his Mention of Arab Spring in regard to NWFP)

 

[abhay rajput]

Publicly available info says Phalcons have a sweep radius of 500 KMs not 350 while DRDO netras are less at 250 but those are published figured.. actual range will always be classified... Take your own guess if we can operate from UP or not...

Saab one's have way better range than Netra. And I don't think Chinese aewcs are good at all, the pakis know that very well

 

[Poseidon]

Another attack in Pulwama
One policeman martyred

 

[Hellfire]

India try wiping out so called struggle in Kashmir for 3 decades has we succeeded
In it??

Because we do not have a policy of employment of overwhelming force & extrajudicial killing on mere suspicion or hearsay. The Chinese will not be constrained by that.

How can they control sistan baloach

Sistan Baluch are against Iran. GCC and Pakistan is funding them.

Or Pastuns in NWFP
Both originate from different nations

We are talking about Baluchistan, right? Or are you soon going to add Hazaras, Mirpuris, Baltis, too in to the mixture?

The resentment will grow in Local population which already dislike Chinese racially
Balochistani's are not uygher's.

1. No option.
2. Yes, they are not Uighurs.

 

[Hellfire]

As the BSF guys were "securing kashmiris" .. that's the best suggestion I got... just send them without guns.

Basically, you have no suggestion. Precisely the problem. There is no solution to the issue of someone walking up to you and simply killing you with a hidden weapon. Short of killing everyone approaching towards you, you have none.

And why do you you need police/CAPFs on streets? To prevent forced closure of shops ....

 

[scatterStorm]

You are Over estimating the range of Porki AEWACS and ADS by huge margin...they cannot see us from 600 KM away else balakot would not have happened....

I'd say, we had our lucky day, there Awacs platform was not airborne yet and it seems to me, that even though we did used the cover of night time, PAF was just lazy that day.

I mean think about it,
1. Ground based platforms cannot sweep, as they cover a finite space permanently. They can TWS but that's it. Its not a movable bubble.
2. AWACS allows to sweep the area of 350Km. So if you are moving from point A to B, you've already swept 2x the sweep distance. Er-Eye can TWS (Track while scan) too.

 

[Hellfire]

I Never Said R&AW is Involved but It not the only foreign ops agency india have

Kulbhushan was not mere business man operating from iran (no logical mind will conclude that )
Let It be clear Many Ex R&AW officials claimed R&AW presence in Iran but
I Never claimed Jhadav being from R&AW.

I simply responded to your post. And showed you why I responded the way I did.

I myself have said that ex-servicemen are employed by lots of firms operating in sensitive zones to act as security consultants and one of their tasks is to create an intelligence network to protect the company assets/interests. They are paid actually good money to do such things.

As for your other contention that only civil operatives are there for RAW where I had to quip that you have no clue.

Can you tell me why certain officers from armed forces are sent on short duration (couple of months to years) deputation with a non disclosure clause with RAW? Then they revert back to parent service. This, when there is a lateral absorption into RAW and NTRO.

Am curious.

 

[scatterStorm]

Only in PDF Fantasy world. Not in reality.

Since they are acquiring another new saab awacs platform, they will have the ability to TWS 2x.

 

[Hellfire]

Saab one's have way better range than Netra. And I don't think Chinese aewcs are good at all, the pakis know that very well

There is a reason why Phalcons have been ordered in add on numbers. And it does not have to do with 'IAF loves phoren maal' bullshit that is spread

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Basically, you have no suggestion. Precisely the problem. There is no solution to the issue of someone walking up to you and simply killing you with a hidden weapon. Short of killing everyone approaching towards you, you have none.

And why do you you need police/CAPFs on streets? To prevent forced closure of shops ....

I was being sarcastic.. For one these personnel might maintain some distance between themselves which would allow them to cover each other, and not get shot with ease by a bike borne assassin. Atleast one of them could have saved himself

 

[Hellfire]

Since they are acquiring another new saab awacs platform, they will have the ability to TWS 2x.

???

They have that - TWS, already.

 

[Hellfire]

I was being sarcastic.. For one these personnel might maintain some distance between themselves which would allow them to cover each other, and not get shot with ease by a bike borne assassin.

My Dear Sir.

They wear pherans , which can easily hide an ak and come walking .... and simply shoot from 5 to 7 feet away and go - usually with a pistol/country made pistol. The streets are very narrow and crowded. Panic ensures, and people run. Now catch.

It is easy to comment sitting here. On ground, the ball game changes.

 

[WARREN SS]

Sistan Baluch are against Iran. GCC and Pakistan is funding them.

There many Players involved there And Insurgency died With death of Rigi brothers

Because we do not have a policy of employment of overwhelming force & extrajudicial killing on mere suspicion or hearsay. The Chinese will not be constrained by that.

We did Quite opposite in 90's
Firstly Chinese Doing this Pakistan is not Possible PA can do this Previously not possible in 2020.
.If PLA Landed in Baluchistan It Will be god gift for us.There Fate Will be harsher than soviets in Afghanistan

Any involvement of Chinese Will attract Western Media And interested groups

We are talking about Baluchistan, right? Or are you soon going to add Hazaras, Mirpuris, Baltis, too in to the mixture?

You are not getting My point i said The Insurgency sourced from Border cross cannot be suppressed by Applying brutal force inside We are Trying it Kashmir

 

[Kumata]

Saab one's have way better range than Netra. And I don't think Chinese aewcs are good at all, the pakis know that very well

Whats the source .. i could not find any info on their sweep range .

 

[scatterStorm]

???

They have that - TWS, already.

The point is, now you've got 2x systems, doing the same thing, essentially ER means "extended range". TWS data is then shared to F16 via link 16.

 

[WARREN SS]

I simply responded to your post. And showed you why I responded the way I did.

I myself have said that ex-servicemen are employed by lots of firms operating in sensitive zones to act as security consultants and one of their tasks is to create an intelligence network to protect the company assets/interests. They are paid actually good money to do such things.

As for your other contention that only civil operatives are there for RAW where I had to quip that you have no clue.

Can you tell me why certain officers from armed forces are sent on short duration (couple of months to years) deputation with a non disclosure clause with RAW? Then they revert back to parent service. This, when there is a lateral absorption into RAW and NTRO.

Am curious.

I Already Explained you SSB role in R&AW

Your Second Question involves Third party contractors & Shell-firms Again back to SSB desk And OS

I Repeated R&AW is Not the only agency that operates there

Better put End to it

 

[scatterStorm]

Whats the source .. i could not find any info on their sweep range .

Saab 2000 Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEW&C) Aircraft - Airforce Technology

The Saab 2000 Erieye AEW&C airborne early warning and control aircraft is a variant of the Saab 2000 regional transport…

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We have a pile of shit coming to us, 3x platforms, not just two b/w 2021 and 2023.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

My Dear Sir.

They wear pherans , which can easily hide an ak and come walking .... and simply shoot from 5 to 7 feet away and go - usually with a pistol/country made pistol. The streets are very narrow and crowded. Panic ensures, and people run. Now catch.

It is easy to comment sitting here. On ground, the ball game changes.

My dear apologist.. Maybe you need to read more about the circumstance of the shootout.. They were part of a road opening party. So, how narrow could the road be.. Anyway, I can only hope that officers don't think that their SOPs are perfect, and there was nothing that could be improved, to save lives..

 

[Frontrunner]

I'd say, we had our lucky day, there Awacs platform was not airborne yet and it seems to me, that even though we did used the cover of night time, PAF was just lazy that day.

I mean think about it,
1. Ground based platforms cannot sweep, as they cover a finite space permanently. They can TWS but that's it. Its not a movable bubble.
2. AWACS allows to sweep the area of 350Km. So if you are moving from point A to B, you've already swept 2x the sweep distance. Er-Eye can TWS (Track while scan) too.3

Their saab awecs platform was airborne on 26th night.. watch video of retired western air commnd. Chandrasekharan hari kumar... We used 16 mirages.. nd 12 mirages crossed loc.. at 30000 feet.. while fooling their saab awecs..


Read this... We attacked them.. they were not able respond.. we crossed loc.. bombed that terrorist camp.. nd came back unscathed.. paf was caught with it's pants down..

They tried to attack .. we intercepted their large strike package.. paf threw everything they had... However we downed their prime ace fighter f-16 with a 60s era mig21 bison...

For future scenarios we have purchased S-400 for the exact same purpose i.e to hunt paf saab awecs in their own territory.. their awecs won't dare coming anywhere near 300-100km close to border.. in fear of long range 40N6e missiles .. it will hamper their operating range nd will be forced to operate at far end of their Western border...

Without awecs cover their f-16 will go blind nd will be a peace meal for our rafales..

rafale nd s400 will change the entire strategic balance of South asia.. that's why paf, pa nd imran khan have been shitting bricks lately...