India Pakistan conflict along LoC and counter terrorist operations

[FalconSlayers]

Pakisa will supply anzas .
Anza mk3 is nothing but SA 18 igla.
9k24 .
India is buying new one 9k338 igla aka SA 24

Anza was a straight up reverse engineering of 9K32 Strela MANPADs which they got from Afghan Taliban’s stock of weapons captured from Soviet Army.

Your Anza

Soviet 9K32 Strela-II

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Anza was a straight up reverse engineering of 9K32 Strela MANPADs which they got from Afghan Taliban’s stock of weapons captured from Soviet Army.

Your Anza
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Soviet 9K32 Strela-II
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Anza mk 1 that is .
Basically all are bassd on chene qw series of manpad

 

[LaIllahaSigmar]

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Deep state+biden admin signal to India,it's slowly accepting Pakistan's point of view w.r.t to J&K,making it as a new norm.
Don't be surprised as more such maps come with entire J&K cutoff from Indian territory.
It's not conspiracy theory,but reality,infront your eyes.

This is WHO, not US state department.

They couldn't even get who to implicate china in the Wuhan virus issue.

I doubt they will bother with this kind of nonsense.

 

[DerBronzeLord]

Real issue is our old doctrine that is cold start doctrine is totally based on army performance.
In this doctrine fierce armoured assault would be done backed by artillery and air force.
Even our sudarji doctrine was also based on army iaf got supportive role only
So our old doctrine were totally based on army and air force got supportive role.
But things are changing as of now after balakot attack.
For First time air force was used in offensive role after 1947 . Before this air force was always used for retaliation, support or for defensive role

What are you smoking? 1971 War was won without the IAF right? Keep your damn delusions under check my man. The IAF has fought and conducted offensive operations inside Pakistani territory several time. This weird justification of the CDS' statements is absolutely devoid of facts.

P.S. Sundarji Doctrine failed when Op Parakram resulted in Indian forces taking 3 weeks to mobilize, against the required 48 hours for an offensive into Pakistan, which prevented India from attacking Pak and would have resulted in a war of attrition if we HAD decided to declare war. Mobilization required the theatre command system, but it was required primarily to use the IAF in an OFFENSIVE role against enemy positions, specifically in urban settings.

 

[Lost user]

Had written this in the morning itself in politics thread.

They can also be given a clean chit so it will a egg on the face of opposition. A clean chit will also boost the confidence of the govt to go ahead with MMRCA since the case from both the Indian and French side will come to an end.

It's that NGO sherpa.. pretty strong lobbies seem to be using it to tarnish the Rafale deal.. Even if a clean chit is given.. they will keep going to court..citing some fresh evidence(which would be trash anyway).. just to keep the pot boiling in India..

 

[Raaakisazih]

It's that NGO sherpa.. pretty strong lobbies seem to be using it to tarnish the Rafale deal.. Even if a clean chit is given.. they will keep going to court..citing some fresh evidence(which would be trash anyway).. just to keep the pot boiling in India..

Bjp shouldn't lose any chance to take advantage of this

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

It's that NGO sherpa.. pretty strong lobbies seem to be using it to tarnish the Rafale deal.. Even if a clean chit is given.. they will keep going to court..citing some fresh evidence(which would be trash anyway).. just to keep the pot boiling in India..

Will it effect , any one comrade .
I have firm faith , clean cheat shall be given.
Us judge ke sar par durga ma viraje ,sadhbuddhi deve us judge ko.
Bharat ke raksha ka prashn hai

 

[DerBronzeLord]

India already have 2 natural aircraft carrier.
Andaman& nicobar and lakshadweep.
So India have 4 aircraft carrier (2 natural +ins viktamaditya+ins vikrant)and just 45 mig 29 k to man them.
Indian navy lacks jets as of now . Ins vikrant has no jet available as of now. New jet will be most probably f18 (some report also say 36 rafale).
3 rd aircraft work will be started after 2030
Indian navy will be more focussed on submarine for area denial purpose in these 10 years

You must be seriously thick to think that Andaman and Lakshadweep as "unsinkable" aircraft carriers are all supreme. To clear it out, here is a brilliant thread from Mihir Shah of Livefist and Major's Squad:


We need a 3rd Aircraft Carrier to maintain superiority in the Indian Ocean, to protect our coastline, to interdict Pakistani naval lines, and to (hopefully someday) conduct expeditionary operations outside of the Indo-Pacific, maybe in the Mediterranean or the East China Sea.

 

[FalconSlayers]

You must be seriously thick to think that Andaman and Lakshadweep as "unsinkable" aircraft carriers are all supreme. To clear it out, here is a brilliant thread from Mihir Shah of Livefist and Major's Squad:


We need a 3rd Aircraft Carrier to maintain superiority in the Indian Ocean, to protect our coastline, to interdict Pakistani naval lines, and to (hopefully someday) conduct expeditionary operations outside of the Indo-Pacific, maybe in the Mediterranean or the East China Sea.

You first need a nice AIP equipped submarine force and SSNs and SSBNs then we can dream of surface fleet like Aircraft Carrier Battle Groups or LHDs LPDs. The naval budget is all fucked up and government should find a better way to finance military. Else our naval fleet is not growing, we retire one if we induct one.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

WHO map is the ground reality BTW.

Why shying away?

That is not even a Bhartiya map .

 

[ladder]

Anza was a straight up reverse engineering of 9K32 Strela MANPADs which they got from Afghan Taliban’s stock of weapons captured from Soviet Army.

Your Anza
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Soviet 9K32 Strela-II
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Agreed but who did the reverse engineering?

 

[DerBronzeLord]

SSBN and nukes etc. are strategic weapons for large scale decisive wars like WW3. Our current problem is tactical attacks (we lack somewhat in equipment there too).
Such terror attacks and deaths are unfortunately only going to continue always till Pak exists. You wound your enemy, it will heel and keep on attacking you in new ways unles its killed. A strategic solution of it would be an all out war but again, if India does to disintegrate or colonise Pak, we won't only be fighting Pak either. We will have to become a heavyweight in IOR like China in SCS.

Defense strategy isn't about reacting without real plans and reacting without strategy often doesn't bear any positive results.

Opposition isn't really good in such matters in a de facto two-party state like India. Left if was strong opposition, it wouldn't let government even undertake steps labeling them fascists.

Adding to this, SSBN's are also required for deterrence. Just because our soldiers are being attacked in CFV's doesn't mean we launch a nuke, which would mean a massive, unwarranted and quite frankly, a mutually destructive scenario. SSBN's are required as a deterrent however, to let your enemy know that even in the event of a nuclear strike targeting Indian missile facilities, preventing the nation from responding, the SSBN's underwater will always be ready to strike back. This can be understood from Pakistan's perspective, for example. If India and the Bald Eagle decide to seize Paki nukes, attacking their missile silos, seizing warheads, the whole shebang, Pakistan would be unable to retaliate. However, if they possessed an SSBN, India couldn't conduct such a seizure operation, simply because Pak could retaliate using their SSBN's. SSBN's are a useful deterrent, and not just a strategic weapon to be used in war, or another method of launching strikes.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Agreed but who did the reverse engineering?

NESCOM, it is no sophisticated tech, it’s old and most of it is from Chinese NORINCO parts assembly.

 

[Lost user]

Agni P (Prime): India’s ASBM in the Making and its Impact on Naval Warfare - ELE Times

The Two-Stage solid fueled Agni P (Prime) uses an all-composite structure that includes the casing that not only reduces its weight

www.eletimes.com

Agni prime a carrier killer missile
For this type of attack volley of agni prime will be required
China currently have 4 aircraft carrier but is not able to operate jets on it currently as of now
China is still not been able to operate j15 on them

2 carriers are active.. 2 are under construction with China.. Hope we commission Vikrant before all 4 are active..

 

[Jimih]

If true then it's news of the day, wud love to watch some Chinese football

RUMINT: Udti Udti khabar is coming that, it was a Chinese drone factory in the cover of a telecommunication company.

Cannot confirm though.

 

[Knowitall]

That is not even a Bhartiya map .

Also did you look at Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan.

 

[ladder]

NESCOM, it is no sophisticated tech, it’s old and most of it is from Chinese NORINCO parts assembly.

Why waste time when you want to use NoRINCO parts? Ask them for know how along with BoM. Why reinvent the wheel?

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Agreed but who did the reverse engineering?

China and Pakistan joint development much like bhaktar shikhan

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Also did you look at Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan.

Half Tajikistan gone to chyna

 

[FalconSlayers]

2 carriers are active.. 2 are under construction with China.. Hope we commission Vikrant before all 4 are active..

China is building carriers bigger than ours. And even if are STOBAR carriers, still can accommodate a lot more than ours, their shipbuilding industry, economy, cost of production all are in favour of China hence it is able to outpace US Navy as well, hence I say we need an SSGN class as a strong deterrent to any hostile expeditionary fleet of the adversary.