India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

mokoman

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For people who are having a meltdown and not able to put their thoughts together -
  • No, this is not a mini-Kargil. 4-6 militants are hiding in the Poonch forest who seems to be familiar with the terrain, and are supplied by locals with food and intel. Forces have started an endurance operation to minimize casaulties.


  • This tweet is referring to previous martyrs, not new casualties. OSINTs are going apeshit with wrong information.

  • Arrested LeT terrorist Zia Mustafa was taken by armed forces for identification of Poonch forest hideouts, and probably got killed either by terrorists or by own forces when something went wrong.

  • Amit Shah & Modi are still busy with the next elections and couldn't spare a single tweet honoring the martyrs while our forces will continue to die due to lack of equipment and pacifistic policies.

Poonch (Jammu and Kashmir) [India], October 24 (ANI): Two policemen and an army jawan sustained injuries after terrorists opened fire on Sunday morning in the Bhata Durian area of Poonch in Jammu and Kashmir.

looks like new casualties but not martyred , 3 injured . 2 police man and a jawan.

real shady shit going on .

Zia Mustafa was captured on 2003 , how would he know anything 18 years later ?

bringing him to hideout , then shootout , now him + 3 of our guys injured.

this honestly feels like hostage situation - like someone else said.
 

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I wonder if going full russian way was a better option than wasting time trying to pin point the terrorist. Assuming general location was known, forces should have just gone for full weapon dump (bombs, lgbs) or
even white phosphorous
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It is good that many people are willing to consider use of alternatives to conventional weapons when faced with extraordinary situations. Nobody will support the regular use of chemical weapons. But in high risk cases where there is zero civilian population and only some drugged & mad extremists are involved(in this case only foreign origin terrorists, not even Kashmiris) some out of the ordinary measures to combat the situation may be considered.

One major reason for use would be to minimise our casualties and complete the operation quickly.

I suspect that the whole game plan of the ISI was to get our troops bogged down for days and possibly weeks in operations against these terrorists. The treacherous terrain played a part in facilitating the enemy strategy.

As suggested white phosphorus or even other agents like mustard gas etc could be considered as being part of an extraordinary response to an extraordinary situation.

I am sure that both the United States and Russia still have stocks of chemical weapons stored secretly for use in extreme circumstances. So they simply cannot claim the moral high ground. Lesser said about China.

Napalm, cluster bombs etc are other options available. A Fuel Air Explosive bomb burst over any cave like or bunker like fortification will on detonation simply suck out the oxygen in the area and collapse the lungs of any terrorists hiding there.

Anyway I think the assessment is that the Poonch operations are nearing closure.

But the Pak army needs to pay the price for the misadventure. No doubt about it.
 

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Issue hw would army ensure next time this will not happen ?
The meltdown in this forum is being exhibited more frequently as the appalling condition of the defence acquisition policy of our forces get exposed...
Didn't we have the SAR fitted planes/UAV or foliage penetrating radar- fitted aircraft/ UAVs to track the tunnels or pigs hiding in the dense forests? Why couldn't the higher-ups in the system forecast such a scenario basis the experience of 20+ years of terrorism in the region and acquire the bare min numbers of such systems to fight contingency situations like the one ongoing in Poonch!?

How careless can the GOI be while our men get martyred fighting the expendable jihadi pigs?
Some things need to change, sooner the better!
 
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The meltdown in this forum is being exhibited more frequently as the appalling condition of the defence acquisition policy of our forces get exposed...
Didn't we have the SAR fitted planes/UAV or foliage penetrating radar- fitted aircraft/ UAVs to track the tunnels or pigs hiding in the dense forests? Why can't the higher-ups in the system acquire the bare min numbers to fight contingency situations like the one ongoing in Poonch!?

How careless can the GOI be while our men get martyred fighting the indispensable jihadi pigs?
Some things need to change, sooner the better!
We have too many men , saar thats why
 

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Casualties will increase and keep happening till the government does not stop its kashmiriyat and Aman ki Asha shit. The local Muslim population has always supported paki pigs. We will lose kashmir for sure, as pakis are winning. No matter how much we joke on Pakistan, we are losing our well trained jawans to shitty jihadi pigs. We are a laughing stock globally on how not to handle terror. Forces waiting outside mosque for a pig to come our side or kadi ninda singh suspending counter terror operations for ramzan.
 

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Casualties will increase and keep happening till the government does not stop its kashmiriyat and Aman ki Asha shit. The local Muslim population has always supported paki pigs. We will lose kashmir for sure, as pakis are winning. No matter how much we joke on Pakistan, we are losing our well trained jawans to shitty jihadi pigs. We are a laughing stock globally on how not to handle terror. Forces waiting outside mosque for a pig to come our side or kadi ninda singh suspending counter terror operations for ramzan.
Return kashmir back to 90s
 

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hehe lol .

probably truth . we brought him there as human shield to force terrorist to surrender or something.

They can crawl up on all fours and reach Arnab's anus blindfolded but probably can't mark DKG or BD on the map without help.

Then they come up with this headline. The reader who is not following the story will probably read the headline and assume a terrorist has been killed in an exchange of fire. Ch**ya presstitutes.
 

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They can crawl up on all fours and reach Arnab's anus blindfolded but probably can't mark DKG or BD on the map without help.

Then they come up with this headline. Chappal utaar ke thokna chahiye..
India media has gone full apeshit because of its chootiya citizens
Chootiya Aryan Khan is getting all the the byte becuase public wants to see it .. they don't give a damn about soldiers fighting and dying at the border ..
 

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India media has gone full apeshit because of its chootiya citizens
Chootiya Aryan Khan is getting all the the byte becuase public wants to see it .. they don't give a damn about soldiers fighting and dying at the border ..
probably for the best.

Dont want to give the jihadis free publicity and satisfaction.

Unless there is a plan to strike across the border , really no point for media , HM or PM to talk about it.
 

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The meltdown in this forum is being exhibited more frequently as the appalling condition of the defence acquisition policy of our forces get exposed...
Didn't we have the SAR fitted planes/UAV or foliage penetrating radar- fitted aircraft/ UAVs to track the tunnels or pigs hiding in the dense forests? Why couldn't the higher-ups in the system forecast such a scenario basis the experience of 20+ years of terrorism in the region and acquire the bare min numbers of such systems to fight contingency situations like the one ongoing in Poonch!?

How careless can the GOI be while our men get martyred fighting the expendable jihadi pigs?
Some things need to change, sooner the better!
looks like drones with thermal cam already exist . no idea if these are practical for something like ops in poonch

seeing how we suck at even building a weaponized drone , something even Iran has managed successfully.

i doubt we will be seeing anything like this soon.


 

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hehe lol .

probably truth . we brought him there as human shield to force terrorist to surrender or something.

I have not watched these MSMs for years other than bits and pieces like this or on elections. I think what happened to that jihadi really shouldn't be the worry. Soldiers hurt and killed needs an actual investigation on why it happened, jihadi died while exposing the locations of the terrorists is a good thing, one less jihadi.

Also, coming to one part which is confusing me. Someone here pointed out that jihadis was already in contact with the terrorist from the cells, that means somehow for all these months he managed to evade any tracing until the events unfolded at Poonch, how did army or intelligence officer or police officers came to know about it?

were they aware of the contact all of the time or was it after the attack and investigation? I will not ask a bit more questions since those may give ammo to our enemies but maybe other member can realise what i am referring to.
 

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