India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

The Shrike

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Let's wait for the picture to get more clear about this ops. If those terrorist killed are from the Taliban side, then this would be a very alarming situation not only for J and K but for the country as a whole.
I don’t think even one terrorist has been confirmed killed there.
 

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CDS ko ghanta farak padta hai. He’s busy enjoying whiskey on rocks at one of his bungalows in Delhi
There is a reason Infantry officers and troops under his command respected him. People are taking what he said out of context.

This is going to happen again, Army generals warned that Afghanistan spillover is going to take India back to the days of 90s insurgencies. It's nothing new. It's going to repeat. That's what he meant.

He spent 10 years in Counter insurgency, Company commander in Sopore and later Brigadier in Uri I think. And this was at the height of insurgency.
 

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Everything is a volunteers job, including that of the CEO.

If Modi refuses to be the PM tonight, no force on earth can force him to.

People get offer letters from multiple companies and eventually act upon the best offer. That is also called volunteering. A soldier volunteers to show up at a recruitment rally but from there on, it is as professional as it can get. It is also a job only with far greater responsibilities.

You think the man who waves a green flag at the railway signal holds a less responsible job? A slight mistake on his part could cost hundreds of lives.

A soldier signs up to serve his country. While volunteering to be at the border, not only is he protecting his family far away in the hinterland, he is extending the same service to others.
Combat conditions is Uncertain actions
Ambush counter
Ambush is
Part of job

Military Is trained To do These jobs
If modi have to think 🤔
Local Corps Level operations in insurgency areas
Then
Having such huge army is waste

Rest all your arguments is uncenessary related insurgency
In kashmir

Infiltration is a 3 decades old phenomenon in kashmir
And casualties and counter casualties is part of Soldiers life when he Deployed in kashmir or any insurgency areas including Moaist areas
 
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Militants working in two teams of 4-6 each. Each team broken up into 2 member engagement units, and executing fire and maneuver drills while engaging.

Militants are using ambush and counter ambush drills. All the ambushes are designed around providing overlapping lanes of fire. Good weapons discipline by the bloody bastards. Holding fire till IA units come within 25-50m. Suggests previous combat experience. This is why IA troops are getting overwhelmed in firefights. Accurate Fire coming in high volumes from multiple directions in close quarters to create kill boxes and cause high kill count. We believe militants are using satellite communications with Combat commanders across LOC who are directing the firefight. No communications jamming on site by IA.

Militants are also changing position after every firefight, with IA being unable thus far to fix them in position. In such circumstances IA has few options. Chemical weapons would be the ideal strategy to force the militants hands.
 

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In all honesty, are we are not aware of the actual numbers of terrorists entrenched there. I think it's the important time we stop quoting any random osint claiming random bs and wait for official information to happen.

We have snipers, thermal imagers and there's no doubt army is putting those to use. Let's wait for the picture to get clear before jumping to conclusions like muh Kargil 2.0 kek.

Few pages back someone mentioned that at least 11 or around similar terrorists were killed in Poonch region by para sf, what happened to that? Was it correct? Not talking about the report from JKP, i am assuming both are different cases.
Ur right, I believe that pig rats had dug waaay back, however due to ceasefire/political shit army let them be.

Now that shit has hit the fan, I believe we panicked.

Still ceasefire doesn't make sense?? :crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:
 

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Combat conditions is Uncertain actions
Ambush counter
Ambush is
Part of job

Military Is trained To do These jobs
If modi have think 🤔
Local Corps Level operations in insurgency areas
Then
Having such huge army is waste

Rest all your arguments is uncenessary insurgency
In kashmir

Infiltration is a 3 decades old phenomenon in kashmir
And casualties and counter casualties is part of Soldiers life when he Deployed in kashmir or any insurgency areas including Moaist areas
Whoever says infiltration is a 3 decades old phenomenon should stop posting on the topic, take a break, read the history of insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir and then come back to make sweeping generalizations.
 

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Whoever says infiltration is a 3 decades old phenomenon should stop posting on the topic, take a break, read the history of insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir and then come back to make sweeping generalizations.
Please elaborate.

I'm thoroughly confused by your statement.
 

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Whoever says infiltration is a 3 decades old phenomenon should stop posting on the topic, take a break, read the history of insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir and then come back to make sweeping generalizations.
You getting agitated for needless reasons
Such casualties happened
Regularly in Kashmir

Just minimized after removal of
370

Afghanistan situation changed dynamics
For this year
Soon military will recalibrate and adjust
According to New situations
 

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Requesting members to intervene in case such loose comments are made, especially those which have no element of truth attached to it.

don’t allow negative confirmation bias to set in when it comes to our armed forces, correct it then and there.

seriously I also get angry On CDS statement it means our jawans has no value
CDS ko ghanta farak padta hai. He’s busy enjoying whiskey on rocks at one of his bungalows in Delhi
 

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Please elaborate.

I'm thoroughly confused by your statement.
Couldn't call it infiltration before independence and partition.

Infiltration post independence has been a regular feature in that area.

Was there a security grid in place? A border fence? When did it come up and why?

Our PoK border was not very different from Indo-Bangladesh or Indo-Nepal border where movement of people was considered normal even by local commanders unless there was specific intel which almost always came from locals and whereabouts of such 'intruders' were often shared with IA and action would take place.
 
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there is need for something to be done, if the terrorist come again from this route??
 

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Have tangos exfiltrated? if yes then prepare for a very troubling season.
What's worrying is that even after 30 years of facing such situation we are not able to avoid such loses
The need of the hour is every unit should have a dedicated CI team raised like Ghataks who should be trained at Para level at least in terms of CI , and for God sake start using technologies . Ye drone , counter drones , satcom jammers should be given to evey unit not just to elite units
 

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This message was sent to a family whatsapp group by a close relative, an officer who has dedicated a large part of his life serving the nation in RR and Kashmir.

I think it's relevant here so I am going to quote him:

"So the great game has started. Well armed Mujahideen terrorists are back in the valley. Names of feared terror commanders will start to pop up again. Things will get worse before they get better. And this time because of availability of social media, photos and videos of our soldiers dying will start to pop up again. Things will get worse before they get better

We must not lower our morale. Stand behind our forces. It will take time for RR and other forces to adjust to this changing environment.

It will no more be a game of just weapons. Brains would have to be used again.

When I was in 34 RR , terrorists and soldiers had the same equipment and the battlefield leaned slightly in favour of the terrorists. They had the support of the local Kashmiris and knew the lay of land. While our arms were tied due to usual bureaucracy.

Our wits kept us alive, our strategies helped us hunt down terrorists.

Once things start getting better, prominent names of officers will start to rise too. Some will hunt down terrorists in remarkable ways, some will give up their lives saving their comrades. And some will be feared throughout the valley.

But I know we will overcome this period. Because we are just trained that way.

Kashmir is like a beautiful Sea, Insurgency is a harrowing storm, our forces are like a raft. We might go down under for a few seconds but eventually we will come back on top and storm will pass.

Bless our soldiers. It is the duty of each and every citizen to take care of the families of soldiers. Stand firmly behind our forces. Politics will go on, parties will change but never stop supporting the soldiers. "
 

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You getting agitated for needless reasons
Such casualties happened
Regularly in Kashmir

Just minimized after removal of
370

Afghanistan situation changed dynamics
For this year
Soon military will recalibrate and adjust
According to New situations
The lack of a ceasefire allows us to target PA positions at will.

That is the only time we get an opportunity to take revenge from the actual perpetrators of terrorism in J&K. Local tangos are just pawns. You kill one, another takes his place. You kill 5 PA regulars during cross border firing, it causes a chain reaction - vacant positions, compensation, morale taking a hit, a family losing an earning member etc.

Our freedom to engage with the enemy gives us an opportunity to punish them, take the battle to their territory.

Not getting agitated here. Not the least bit. Yes, Army is like a sponge. It can absorb everything, including loss of personnel, morale, patrolling rights, being taken captive by the enemy to meltdowns on discussion forums.

If Islamic insurgency raises its head in MP or Telangana which are non border states, who do we punish? Question remains - Will a non border state be in a position to sustain militancy for long?

No militancy can survive without local support and an elaborate ecosystem.

The Maoist problem exists because there is support from ________, _____________, _________ ?

Can they sustain their war against the Indian state without support?

Kashmir insurgency also draws support from Pakistan and the global ummah. Ceasefire will neither end militancy nor will it end cross border terrorism nor will it end the loss of our troops but the lack of a ceasefire gives us a chance to hit them and make them feel our pain. Ceasefire gives a welcome breather to residents living close to the LoC coz Pakis hit civilian areas causing damage to life, property and livestock.

My last on the topic.
 

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