India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021)

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Again this forum used to mock Pakistanis for having identity crisis. On the contrary their identity is pretty sorted out or they have placed so many devices that their identity has been kept insulated. They do not have identify crisis but crisis of mismanaged State for which they seek the help of any interesting party except Hindu India. They then go overboard making them friends which we call identify crisis.

The identity crisis in its true sense is upon Hindus who think everyone is equal and our religious way of life is negotiable. We will be labelled bigots, fanatics and whatnot if we carry our religious identity on our foreheads.

I don't know what psychological anomaly it is? Somewhat similar to Stockholm syndrome that same Hindus who hate their own identity and its display, show great respect to cults who strongly adhere to their identity.
 
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Again this forum used to mock Pakistanis for having identity crisis. On the contrary their identity is pretty sorted out or they have placed so many devices that their identity has been kept insulated. They do not have identify crisis but crisis of mismanaged State for which they seek the help of any interesting party except Hindu India. They then go overboard making them friends which we call identify crisis.

The identity crisis in its true sense is upon Hindus who think everyone is equal and our religious way of life is negotiable. We will label bigots, fanatics and whatnot if we carry of religious identity on our foreheads.

I don't know what psychological anomaly it is. Somewhat similar to Stockholm syndrome that same Hindus who hate their own identity and its display show great respect to cults who strongly adhere to their identity.


Puki wakes up with an identify crisis every morning when he questions himself whether he is of Turkic or Mongol descent.

Then the harsh reality sets in that he is neither Turkic nor Mongol, just a piss poor convert fuck who has to bend over to any bidder that will help him put food on the table for him and his family.
 

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Company size intrusions?? That is 100-120 terrorists.
It's definitely not 5-6 terrorists as most of us is saying, if the news of fire is coming from multiple ridges is true. After ceasefire, army stopped patrolling in those vast forests, they infiltrated 3 months back, it makes no sense that only 5-6 🐖 will hide there for so long...
 

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It's definitely not 5-6 terrorists as most of us is saying, if the news of fire is coming from multiple ridges is true. After ceasefire, army stopped patrolling in those vast forests, they infiltrated 3 months back, it makes no sense that only 5-6 🐖 will hide there for so long...
I have an idea , bring Masrat Alam , Mirwaiz and literally all Hurriyat group , Make them human shield and then try force those rats to come outside ..Kill them all after that
Apply this tactic and I can guarantee that terrorism will dip significantly
 

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The real question is why was a terrorist who has been in jail for more than a decade close to two decades infact suddenly taken out of jail and transported all the way to kashmir to help the army.

What help could a guy possibly provide when the only thing he has seen in 2 decades is the four walls of his cell.
 

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Again this forum used to mock Pakistanis for having identity crisis. On the contrary their identity is pretty sorted out or they have placed so many devices that their identity has been kept insulated. They do not have identify crisis but crisis of mismanaged State for which they seek the help of any interesting party except Hindu India. They then go overboard making them friends which we call identify crisis.

The identity crisis in its true sense is upon Hindus who think everyone is equal and our religious way of life is negotiable. We will be labelled bigots, fanatics and whatnot if we carry of religious identity on our foreheads.

I don't know what psychological anomaly it is. Somewhat similar to Stockholm syndrome that same Hindus who hate their own identity and its display show great respect to cults who strongly adhere to their identity.
I agree to all your points except one i.e there is only one nation theory and that is of Hindus the mlecchas(muzziesfascistsand christiannazis) are illegal occupiers of hindu land from Khyber to Kanyakumari and from attock to Cuttack.It is the fundamental duty of every hindu to remove mleccha authority from the land of bharat under mleccha sanghar doctrine.Hinduism is the solution rest are all illusion had team india did mahaarti instead of knee down while Pak mlecchas did namaz we would have slayed the mlecchas.
 

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I have an idea , bring Masrat Alam , Mirwaiz and literally all Hurriyat group , Make them human shield and then try force those rats to come outside ..Kill them all after that
Apply this tactic and I can guarantee that terrorism will dip significantly
Yup gather all of them and then use microwave .Then marry their female folks to hindu men then the kids form from this union will be used as Indian jannisarries .
 

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As some members have pointed out, we probably have a hostage situation. Is operation so slow because we're negotiating with them?
What was so special about Mustafa that they'd want him out of all the other prisoners? And why would they kill him if they wanted a trade.
 

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As some members have pointed out, we probably have a hostage situation. Is operation so slow because we're negotiating with them?
Russia killed it's citizen along with terrorist in hostage situation and we are negotiating ..lol..Kya chootiyapa hai
People die everyday , Nations remains ..wonder kab ye humara dimaag mein ghusega
 

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Russia killed it's citizen along with terrorist in hostage situation and we are negotiating ..lol..Kya chootiyapa hai
People die everyday , Nations remains ..wonder kab ye humara dimaag mein ghusega
GoI still instructs armed forces to make terrorists surrender instead of killing them. Our enemy is hell-bent on killing us and we're showing them "humanity".
 

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GoI still instructs armed forces to make terrorists surrender instead of killing them. Our enemy is hell-bent on killing us and we're showing them "humanity".
heh, they even take back isis terrorists and allow them to roam freely in public.


SFs in kashmir have accepted many surrenders of "bhatka hua naujawan" but only god knows how many of our SFs were killed by them.
 

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The real question is why was a terrorist who has been in jail for more than a decade close to two decades infact suddenly taken out of jail and transported all the way to kashmir to help the army.

What help could a guy possibly provide when the only thing he has seen in 2 decades is the four walls of his cell.
Smells like a hostage situation with the jailed terrorist used as ransom. GTH vishwaguru and chanakya or any other hridaysamrat who authorized the ceasefire.:facepalm:
 

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This is just a cover up excuse. When I first talked about it I spoke from experience and reading about a lot nations who have mapped and contained even more difficult terrains. Not only for security or establishing writ of their law and order but even instituting civic infra and connectivity.

I have a strong suspicion that there are many layers in establishment and few of them are corrupt and heavily invested in continuing the conflict.

No way this conflict should have lasted that long.

I think we are wasting our time looking at wrong places.
yeah...the issue is a lot of layers of our armed forces are corrupt or non-professional. They are also not tech savvy and believe in using foot soldiers as fodder to contain terrorism. Also, they are struggling to fill officer ranks - look at the number of vacancies in armed forces; because of India's private economy - now all these government jobs are not preferred much less. IAF is struggling to find pilots as many want to work in private industry. As India's economy grows, the armed forces will have even more trouble finding soldiers and pilots and sailors.
Our armed forces:
- dont come up with a decadal threat assessment study
- dont consider strategic threat assessments every year for quick action
- dont invest in advance to equip soldiers absed on these near term and long term threat assessments. Procurement is very inefficient and chaotic and full of corrupt intentions.
- dont provide a professional working environment for its members. dont provide good health facilities especially mental health.

Plus:
- way too much arrogance at the top level that they know-it-all and frame bad policies on battle field engagement.
- really, really bad cybersecurity and propaganda departments. very bad communications of engagement outcomes to citizens - inability to get citizens to support lethal strikes.
- always on the defensive and thinking too much about loss of international image (mainly due to MEA being extremely defensive) due to the stupidly cultivated "India is NOT an aggressive nation" image.
- pissing off our own citizens with heavy handed tactics without understanding that having citizens on your side is a must for fighting lethal wars and forgiving any errors the security forces may make. Look at the extent the Roman emperors went to keep citizens happy and on their side, despite have a powerful military. In our case, one officer dies and their entire family starts chanting things like "talk to Pakistan, give away kashmir" etc which the enemy exploits.
- finally, India is still a very loose federation of states with national integration, unity, and levels of patriotism pretty low compared to other countries. No leader in India has ever taken concrete measures to inculcate patriotism amongst all Indians due to the stupid "chaltha hai" attitude and the highly corrupt CONgressis. I really thought Modi would be a lot stricter but even he seems to have dozed off in his second term. Maybe the China virus and all the sufferings has brought him down.

Overall, a large section (more than 50%) of Indians are a poorly disciplined set of people who dont respect issues like rules based society, professional work habits, high work performance, patriotism, national honor, civic sense, education, health etc. They are just born, lead chaltha-hai lives, and die without doing a single thing for the society and country. They serve no purpose with their existence and are not remembered for anything. How can a nation like this be decisive with the enemies that inflict big wounds on her?
What all we lack, the Americans, Chinese, Russians, Brits, Japanese... etc have and we keep shouting "we want a seat at the UNSC". No wonder, no one gives a shit about our claims as they know we wont even enforce security within India not to talk about the region or the world. So how can India be part of a "security" council? LOL.
 

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