India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021)

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This is one of my pet peeves with army officers whether serving or retired. I told a retired officer in my neighborhood WA group that all Indians recognize and take pride in the accomplishments of the Indian defense forces but this "Holy Cow" treatment, its over-glorification and dismissing non Army people is simply not done. Is it of any surprise that majority of these army officers, post retirement fall for scams and lose their hard earned money in civilian life? The respect has to be mutual. Army is for the nation and its civilian population and not the other way around.
It's behavioural trait really, nothing much different from anywhere in the world. They lead a different and difficult life, a sense of superiority helps them sail through it. No biggie there as long as they are not Pak Army. Their better integration with the civilian society through Corporate hiring and other entrepreneurial practices must be encouraged. They are able leaders afterall.
 

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Hum log planning karte rahenge aur enemy ghar me ghus ke action karte rahenge..this is the fate of this nation.
 

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Hum log planning karte rahenge aur enemy ghar me ghus ke action karte rahenge..this is the fate of this nation.
One indian company claimed they have devrloped foilage penetrating radar and radars which can detect small UAV from a distance of 25 km
This is a 2015 news . Army might have acquired it . Who knows ..

 

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Hum log planning karte rahenge aur enemy ghar me ghus ke action karte rahenge..this is the fate of this nation.
Man, what then these guys are smoking. That's not reassuring anyways, its been gone to another IAFs bag of blunders.
 

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Taliban victory in Afghanistan has send a powerful message across the world particularly in Indian subcontinent to the peacefulls which is worrying. I don't see any sol to peacefulls demography bomb(which in my opinion their brahmastra & not the 'muslism bomb' & they know it) from bjp or rss establishment. Even if we take control of pir panjal range through a limited war it would only provide some tactical advantages that's all.

It is Bangladesh that i find more worrying than paxtan or afganistan. Also imho Taliban victory has the most impact on Bangladesh.

So is there one solution to all this problems, actually there is ONE. If we can take care of paxtan permanently, it would be easier before they went nuclear but time is running out.

There is a SMALL window before they gain 2nd strike capability ( i believe they trying very hard to get it as soon as possible). We need to conduct first debilitating n strike. Small ethnic states with no military power will come into existence where paxtan situated on the map today.

But most imp is there will be peace for the next 2-3 decades in subcontinent, & we will get the time to fix our demography problem.

I am not proposing an overkill sol here but a necessary one. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY.
 

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Expect some retaliatory strikes, mostly within the valley, and the follow-up Mediagasm, nothing concrete really.
This can be serious, how did Govt. didn't realize, that PLAGF is at our doorsteps, and then this situation happened. I do not want to go into the rabbit hole of conspiracies, but Chinese are dead set on taking up there arse in Laddakh and Himalayas.
 

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Taliban victory in Afghanistan has send a powerful message across the world particularly in Indian subcontinent to the peacefulls which is worrying. I don't see any sol to peacefulls demography bomb(which in my opinion their brahmastra & not the 'muslism bomb' & they know it) from bjp or rss establishment. Even if we take control of pir panjal range through a limited war it would only provide some tactical advantages that's all.

It is Bangladesh that i find more worrying than paxtan or afganistan. Also imho Taliban victory has the most impact on Bangladesh.

So is there one solution to all this problems, actually there is ONE. If we can take care of paxtan permanently, it would be easier before they went nuclear but time is running out.

There is a SMALL window before they gain 2nd strike capability ( i believe they trying very hard to get it as soon as possible). We need to conduct first debilitating n strike. Small ethnic states with no military power will come into existence where paxtan situated on the map today.

But most imp is there will be peace for the next 2-3 decades in subcontinent, & we will get the time to fix our demography problem.

I am not proposing an overkill sol here but a necessary one. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY.
Nuclear strike isn't happening. There's an escalation ladder, there are some threshold that both countries need to maintain. This conversation in pointless, however, I do find interesting that you considered Bangladesh, as Chinese will try there hell best to topple govt. If this happens, we will be out of options.
 

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Nuclear strike isn't happening. There's an escalation ladder, there are some threshold that both countries need to maintain. This conversation in pointless, however, I do find interesting that you considered Bangladesh, as Chinese will try there hell best to topple govt. If this happens, we will be out of options.
Phir ladte raho aur marte raho
 

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One indian company claimed they have devrloped foilage penetrating radar and radars which can detect small UAV from a distance of 25 km
This is a 2015 news . Army might have acquired it . Who knows ..

another one from 2016

https://israeldefense.co.il/en/content/report-india-interested-elbits-foliage-penetration-radar
 

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Phir ladte raho aur marte raho
It has been well discussed within this thread, that gaining POK is the only option. Until we have total control over the POK, we will have to do this makeshift strategies. That's why the creation of theater command, new weapon acquisition is been planned to set a stage overtaking POK by force.

We got this decade to stabilize our military industrial complex, which the chinese and pakis very well know. So they have a limited window of doing anything to us and they will try everything possible, post this decade, you can take this reply of mine in this thread as thumb rule, that no country in SEA will be able to question our might post that.

To me, as soon as the Chinese starts there limited war campaign, we will have to take the advantage and use all our might to recapture POK.
 

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Nuclear strike isn't happening. There's an escalation ladder, there are some threshold that both countries need to maintain. This conversation in pointless, however, I do find interesting that you considered Bangladesh, as Chinese will try there hell best to topple govt. If this happens, we will be out of options.
India has no escelation ladder. Only election is ladder. Parliament, 26/11, pulwama, sab hoon gaya bacha kya hai. Hum kuch nhi kar sakte. Bus missile ki testinh kar sakte hai. We are fools in the world.
 

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It has been well discussed within this thread, that gaining POK is the only option. Until we have total control over the POK, we will have to do this makeshift strategies. That's why the creation of theater command, new weapon acquisition is been planned to set a stage overtaking POK by force.

We got this decade to stabilize our military industrial complex, which the chinese and pakis very well know. So they have a limited window of doing anything to us and they will try everything possible, post this decade, you can take this reply of mine in this thread as thumb rule, that no country in SEA will be able to question our might post that.

To me, as soon as the Chinese starts there limited war campaign, we will have to take the advantage and use all our might to recapture POK.
Well i agree with all you said, but it has to be done before pak gain 2nd strike capability. And we will get our chance to nuke pakistan in that conflict, but it has to be a FIRST debilitating strike.
 

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India has no escelation ladder. Only election is ladder. Parliament, 26/11, pulwama, sab hoon gaya bacha kya hai. Hum kuch nhi kar sakte. Bus missile ki testinh kar sakte hai. We are fools in the world.
Man, our economy should be able to sustain a full scale war for 3 months. Traditional war is not a possibility anymore. If you are not observing our strategic maneuvers, then you should. To fight a two front war, we need to have some "hasiyath", I suggest you pay a close watch on economy as well. We are going towards a sectoral shift towards PSU and Banking, it has already been started. This happens when Govt is up to something.

Our tri-forces are going through a major change, not just doctrine but at strategic theater level. This will take some buffer period, till then we are just a "defensive force".
 

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Like I said, those interest goes into bag of blunders until something happens. DRDO has the capability to create FOPRs. DROD DRDO also has the capability to create LELA UAVs but US lobby is always up our arse.

Collating our all forces, including state police to a decentralized network with ground and allied intelligence is what theater commands will do.

Thankfully, our long endurance UAV are now a govt. backed strategic asset.
 

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