India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021)

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Requesting members to intervene in case such loose comments are made, especially those which have no element of truth attached to it.

don’t allow negative confirmation bias to set in when it comes to our armed forces, correct it then and there.

seriously I also get angry On CDS statement it means our jawans has no value
CDS ko ghanta farak padta hai. He’s busy enjoying whiskey on rocks at one of his bungalows in Delhi
 

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Jihadis are like condom, use and throw.
Cost to benefit ratio has changed,
Primitive techniques aren't viable

Whaat happened to so called UGV all these are only good for news, have been hearing this for past 3 years, despite the program pre-dating waay back?? Any idea bro
 

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Please elaborate.

I'm thoroughly confused by your statement.
Couldn't call it infiltration before independence and partition.

Infiltration post independence has been a regular feature in that area.

Was there a security grid in place? A border fence? When did it come up and why?

Our PoK border was not very different from Indo-Bangladesh or Indo-Nepal border where movement of people was considered normal even by local commanders unless there was specific intel which almost always came from locals and whereabouts of such 'intruders' were often shared with IA and action would take place.
 
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there is need for something to be done, if the terrorist come again from this route??
 

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Have tangos exfiltrated? if yes then prepare for a very troubling season.
What's worrying is that even after 30 years of facing such situation we are not able to avoid such loses
The need of the hour is every unit should have a dedicated CI team raised like Ghataks who should be trained at Para level at least in terms of CI , and for God sake start using technologies . Ye drone , counter drones , satcom jammers should be given to evey unit not just to elite units
 

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This message was sent to a family whatsapp group by a close relative, an officer who has dedicated a large part of his life serving the nation in RR and Kashmir.

I think it's relevant here so I am going to quote him:

"So the great game has started. Well armed Mujahideen terrorists are back in the valley. Names of feared terror commanders will start to pop up again. Things will get worse before they get better. And this time because of availability of social media, photos and videos of our soldiers dying will start to pop up again. Things will get worse before they get better

We must not lower our morale. Stand behind our forces. It will take time for RR and other forces to adjust to this changing environment.

It will no more be a game of just weapons. Brains would have to be used again.

When I was in 34 RR , terrorists and soldiers had the same equipment and the battlefield leaned slightly in favour of the terrorists. They had the support of the local Kashmiris and knew the lay of land. While our arms were tied due to usual bureaucracy.

Our wits kept us alive, our strategies helped us hunt down terrorists.

Once things start getting better, prominent names of officers will start to rise too. Some will hunt down terrorists in remarkable ways, some will give up their lives saving their comrades. And some will be feared throughout the valley.

But I know we will overcome this period. Because we are just trained that way.

Kashmir is like a beautiful Sea, Insurgency is a harrowing storm, our forces are like a raft. We might go down under for a few seconds but eventually we will come back on top and storm will pass.

Bless our soldiers. It is the duty of each and every citizen to take care of the families of soldiers. Stand firmly behind our forces. Politics will go on, parties will change but never stop supporting the soldiers. "
 

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You getting agitated for needless reasons
Such casualties happened
Regularly in Kashmir

Just minimized after removal of
370

Afghanistan situation changed dynamics
For this year
Soon military will recalibrate and adjust
According to New situations
The lack of a ceasefire allows us to target PA positions at will.

That is the only time we get an opportunity to take revenge from the actual perpetrators of terrorism in J&K. Local tangos are just pawns. You kill one, another takes his place. You kill 5 PA regulars during cross border firing, it causes a chain reaction - vacant positions, compensation, morale taking a hit, a family losing an earning member etc.

Our freedom to engage with the enemy gives us an opportunity to punish them, take the battle to their territory.

Not getting agitated here. Not the least bit. Yes, Army is like a sponge. It can absorb everything, including loss of personnel, morale, patrolling rights, being taken captive by the enemy to meltdowns on discussion forums.

If Islamic insurgency raises its head in MP or Telangana which are non border states, who do we punish? Question remains - Will a non border state be in a position to sustain militancy for long?

No militancy can survive without local support and an elaborate ecosystem.

The Maoist problem exists because there is support from ________, _____________, _________ ?

Can they sustain their war against the Indian state without support?

Kashmir insurgency also draws support from Pakistan and the global ummah. Ceasefire will neither end militancy nor will it end cross border terrorism nor will it end the loss of our troops but the lack of a ceasefire gives us a chance to hit them and make them feel our pain. Ceasefire gives a welcome breather to residents living close to the LoC coz Pakis hit civilian areas causing damage to life, property and livestock.

My last on the topic.
 

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Even ordinary Pak soldiers other than Punjabi origin is of no value for Pak army. You can kill hundreds of them at the LoC but it will have not much impact, they will continue doing what they want. There is only one option that is to target the Punjabi gernels of Rawalpindi, whenever there is terrorist attack in India, assasinate the family members of these gernails by any means. Hire mercenaries if you are hesitant to send Indian covert team. Whenever Indian soldiers are killed, these pigs should shiver in fear that in the next few days some Indian assets will send them and their family to 72 hoors. See the problem is we want to fight a pig but we want to see ourselves clean also. To fight a pig you have to get into the dirt. You have to do dirty works shedding all moral and ethics. Lekin hum yeh ganda kaam nahi karenge varna char log( UN, USA and other 1st world countries) kya kahenge, hum acche ladke hai, Till the date we are not mentally prepared to do this, setbacks like these will keep repeating. Doing same work again and again and expecting different result is a sign of insanity. This insanity has gripped our political and military establishment.
 

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Many of the generalized judgements passed here about Army and its leadership is simply baffling.. Our problem is outrage at a moment's notice and unrelenting euphoria at another. This is not a super hero movie.. We have to manage with what we have.. there are no brownie points for army to get one up on Paki trolls on SM.. The fanatical extremists are the most dangerous kind of enemy..
It is too costly that we lost 9 jawans and there are more civilian attacks on minorities in valley.. but with multiple internal threats, the arrogant chinese a**holes and paki scum all mounting pressure, it has to be a cold and practical approach.. and I am sure these cannot be dealt with brahmos salvos unless you want multi-front war at hand!
 

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They killed a Mohamadian too today
Probably they did not know but kill him looking at his face. Last time they ascertained religion of school teachers before killing them. Looks like they were trying to distarct forces dealing with other encounters so ran into them in a haste.

Not hard to seperate Kashmiris from non locals.
 
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Unfortunatley our Genrols dosent know the importance of UAV's in this era...Saale bhikari humse aage nikal gaye..
Saab the real issues lies with their lack of understanding of science/engineering and synergy between army and drdo

army always wanted capability far greater/equivalent to mq9.

THEY PREFER EXPONENTIAL JUMP OVER INCREMENTAL JUMP. NO ONE COUNTRY HAS DONE THE FORMER WITHOUT INTENSE SCIENTIFIC RIGOUR.

Let's take the example of AD Systems....
Trishul---> failed
Akash ---> failed

Started astra had multiple propulsion failures and teamed with Israelis for MRSAM (Actually I've heard PKS saying that it was a waste of money, seems like we had the tech however given the urgency for forces we signed the agreement).
Now we have world class capabilities except for XRSAM and a cycle less in propulsion and radar tech.

Neither did TURKEY build baktyar drone of the blue, started operationalising with reduced capabilities and improved it overtime.

Drdo is equally to blame, but RUSTOM 1 is better than nothing.

Last but not the least, BABU AND CLUELESS POLITICIANS should be serious 'cause change can only come from the top of the hierarchy
 

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Mohamadians are now scared of Golgappawala and dhabawala.

Must be a very insecure man they follow. .
It is not about being scared or insecure, this is their fuking ideology they follow. They won't allow anyone except their own kind to live and They want to follow the ideology of their Mutramad. Just like him. who didn't allow anyone except muslims to live, these jihaadis too want the same. Killing of non-muslim or those who support normalancy in kashmir is a way to tell other "Know your place".
I guess we all understand this very well. Security forces should introduce some procedures that strikes the mentality of these jihadis and give their handlers a mental headache so that other musl!m won't join to fight in the name of jhaad.
 

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It is not about being scared or insecure, this is their fuking ideology they follow. They won't allow anyone except their own kind to live and They want to follow the ideology of their Mutramad. Just like him. who didn't allow anyone except muslims to live, these jihaadis too want the same. Killing of non-muslim or those who support normalancy in kashmir is a way to tell other "Know your place".
I guess we all understand this very well. Security forces should introduce some procedures that strikes the mentality of these jihadis and give their handlers a mental headache so that other musl!m won't join to fight in the name of jhaad.
There are many methods to do so
 

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