India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021)

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That's an excellent idea you have there.

What do you think about building an Ikhwan-esque group but of non local settlers?

What are the pros and cons?
I see cons more here. Paki ops in waziristan has radicalized the population even more. We need to remember that more J&K youth join army than militancy
 

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Pakistanis are using mercenaries and saying they are Taliban. The surge is to show that it is happening as per perceived by everyone. When you give negative or positive feedback to a monster the monster use both of them as approval of his actions.

In any case it does not change our SOP and local dynamics. One of my suggestions which many other members have been suggesting is to go even high caliber, use drones and air assets.

This clinical approach is not discouraging enough because the losses are not allowed to seated in the minds by controlling the information and get compensated by well oiled local support system.

Also there is no harm to learn from Pakistani operation it has done in it's North Waziristan territories.

Few nations go after family assets and impose heavy fanancial penalties on families of terrorists. The most important here is to cut financial and moral support loop. In our case the librandu eco-system and opposition parties will make sure the narrative of victimhood spreads even more. We all know what will happen in courts too.

So change of tactics has to come as not investing in peace and prosperity which is being transferred to feed terror enterprise but continuous instability. Rehabilitation KP and moaning day and night about restoring peace is very stupid approach.

Reduce every township to a level of Syria, Lybia and North Waziristan. If not all just start few pilot projects few townships. Create a humanitarian crisis and exodus of people towards urban north Kashmir tow ships. Reduce population load all around loc and IB.

We can always rebuild these townships and show the world how development is back like Pakistanis are doing these days.

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Source Guardian. Jamrud town Kyber.
The situation is under control but may get deteriorate once Pakistan intensifies the terror activities.

Best thing to do is go after the mothership of terrorism.

secondly use the propaganda machinery to discourage people to point a gun at India.

Armed jihad that is pure terror against India appears to be a random phenomena came from people because of emotions, It is not. This is an organised crime against India by Pakistan.

Pakistani establishment is a mafia which has its tentacle in terror and drugs.
 
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That commandos case were different there is nothing you can do when snow underneath slips away besides that operation was completely different that's why sf was sent . I completely agree for porkies numbers don't matter it's not case for us we better crack them internally like what's happening here
I am purely looking at time frame point of view. SF operation was rushed without accounting local tip offs angle. Even in remote villages the networking is quite strong and army mobilization can be seen from miles away. The SF operation without air support was in any case a handicap. The point I am trying to make is that we have to follow scorched-earth policy. Take our time and treat whole locality an accomplice. We have gone too soft for too long and they are dancing on our dead bodies knowing we can be always burdened with stereotypes like democracy, federalism, human rights etc.
 

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The situation is under control but may get deteriorate once Pakistan intensifies the terror activities.

Best thing to do is go after the mothership of terrorism.

secondly use the propaganda machinery to discourage people to point a gun at India.

Armed jihad that is pure terror against India appears to be a random phenomena came from people because of emotions, It is not. This is an organised crime against India by Pakistan.

Pakistani establishment is a mafia which has its tentacle in terror and drugs.
Best of luck for going after mothership of terrorism.
 

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That's an excellent idea you have there.

What do you think about building an Ikhwan-esque group but of non local settlers?

What are the pros and cons?
I don't know what you are saying. Non-local settlers for demographic change?

After the exodus of KP’s, it was thought now all-out military operations will be easy and every criminal who is still not booked will be brought to justice for committing genocide of Hindus.

Someone got cold feet and Muslim appeasement took over. The veto power of Muslims from rest of India and their fake nationalism which is too fragile and conditional cancelled those operations.

Like a good member said we are managing the problem. Till today Jihadi veto is working and forcing us to manage this problem. Now with other forces at play like international lobbies we are more inclined go manage it and endure this dirty war.
 

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I see cons more here. Paki ops in waziristan has radicalized the population even more. We need to remember that more J&K youth join army than militancy
Again with the appeasement. Do not get carried away by the Indian media's drama and the occasional OSINT tweet.

Kashmiris want freedom.
Same stream of thought of mutiny or radicalization would've kept us from repealing 35A or even imposing AFSPA

They join the Army for merely a job.
The gutsy ones (and drug addicts) join the terrorists to kill Hindus.
I don't know what you are saying. Non-local settlers for demographic change?

After the exodus of KP’s, it was thought now all-out military operations will be easy and every criminal who is still not booked will be brought to justice for committing genocide of Hindus.

Someone got cold feet and Muslim appeasement took over. The veto power of Muslims from rest of India and their fake nationalism which is too fragile and conditional cancelled those operations.

Like a good member said we are managing the problem. Till today Jihadi veto is working and forcing us to manage this problem. Now with other forces at play like international lobbies we are more inclined go manage it and endure this dirty war.
Yes, that's exactly what I meant. A weaponized settler scheme.

Kashmir has a lot of land.
Cow belt has a lot of men.

Match made in svarg.
What say?
 
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This figure is after ceasefire agreement with india and Excluding FC, police and levies personal.
Then to casualties figure is much high.

Their were multiple regime changes in past in Afghanistan from mujahiddeen to taliban but till 2003 porkistan never faced a terror attack.
Now porki leadership has lost its quality that they were in past
 

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This decision is taken to combat drugs in Punjab.
Bsf is already capable to stop flow of weapons and drugs in Punjab through ib.
Punjab Police is mostly involved in supporting drugs peddling in Punjab in return of ransom.
Even Punjab Police personal also supported terrorists to locate pathankot air forces station during terrorists attack.
By bsf having power to takle issues upto 50 km inside border means drugs flow in Punjab will slowdown tremendously
 

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Bakwas. Nothing new.

What happened during the encounter where we lost Mohit Sharma and other men? They took their time but eventually walked into a well laid ambush.

Yes, we should play the waiting game and wear them out but at some point, you will have to walk in exposing yourself to enemy fire.

Sad when veterans talk about this era and that era just because they may not like the current Govt. in place but the moment you put boots on the ground, you could lose men when contact takes place.

Pampore, others... Maj. Poonia also described one such encounter where he and his men were ambushed.
 

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This decision is taken to combat drugs in Punjab.
Bsf is already capable to stop flow of weapons and drugs in Punjab through ib.
Punjab Police is mostly involved in supporting drugs peddling in Punjab in return of ransom.
Even Punjab Police personal also supported terrorists to locate pathankot air forces station during terrorists attack.
By bsf having power to takle issues upto 50 km inside border means drugs flow in Punjab will slowdown tremendously
Hope milords doesn't poke their nose in this matter, still I'm sceptical about as bsf is no less than corrupted punjab police
 

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Again with the appeasement. Do not get carried away by the Indian media's drama and the occasional OSINT tweet.

Kashmiris want freedom.
Same stream of thought of mutiny or radicalization would've kept us from repealing 35A or even imposing AFSPA

They join the Army for merely a job.
The gutsy ones (and drug addicts) join the terrorists to kill Hindus.

Yes, that's exactly what I meant. A weaponized settler scheme.

Kashmir has a lot of land.
Cow belt has a lot of men.

Match made in svarg.
What say?
There are many problems first our current govt couldn't handle these fuddu protest the national and international outcry of weaponizing settler govt doesn't has the balls besides muzzies here will be no less than porkies we have lost yu can't change the mind of goatshaggers only way is to treat as they treat us.
 

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