India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021)

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Let them give bases.so in war they will also taste brahmos.Maldives,and sreelanka are shameless con countries
We don't have any proper bases or berths in either of the countries. The only semblance of a base we have in Maldives is a small wharf for operations of coast guard under the command of Maldivian authorities.

In comparison the chinese leased an entire island a few years back and now use it as they wish too.


A similar situation is taking place in sri lanka where the local authorities have given complete authority of the port city to china.


How GOI manages to let this happen is beyond me.
 

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Interesting, so Anatolian people adopted the culture, language and religion of their Turkic rulers but inter-marriage was far less than previously anticipated.

Yes, this is an old news nothing new, some say take home DNA tests have been banned in Turkey, there were even reports of one guy committing suicide after he saw his results.


Some times ago, there were videos on youtube of turks posting there results, it made for good comedy, I will post them here If I find them.
 

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you keep bringing up infra. Google, Amazon, Twitter, Facebook, Tesla, Waymo, Aurora, Argo, Rivian are not infra investments. What do they all have in common? No Indian investors and plenty of Chinese ones. they are the companies that represent that next 5 trillion dollar economy for the US. You can’t compare the two. Infra spend is expected and something that India should be doing. But don’t expect to be a world leader unless you play in the VC world. If you ask these companies to choose their loyalties, which country will they pick?

to the entrepreneur, it doesn’t matter how they revived the money as long as they recognize the VC brand. They can put the money to work to create investor value.

you are thinking about investments into Indian startups in India. In 2022 that is slated to be around $50b. It is still 6 times smaller than the US. If you want a seat at the leadership table, india needs to create interdependence between the US and India where both countries succeed by working together. This is done by investments into US firms at an early stage. For india, it is imperative that it backs its diaspora with cold hard cash to go out and conquer the world. That is how the Spanish, the British, the Americans and now the Chinese operate. If you can’t see that pattern; it’s a bit silly to keep harping infra investments. We need to play ball in the countries where we want to grow our presence by being outward facing and not just insular with FDI coming into India.
Nope…none of those companies you mention are a real priority in India now except for jobs. We are not going to have Waymo driverless cars in India for a long time. And as far as Twitter is concerned, Indian alternatives like Koo are gathering pace and chances are that they will replace Twitter in India.
Google and other major companies are institutionally owned now and even in during their startup days hardly received any moneys from the money laundering organization called the CCP. Amazon was never VC funded by the way. Google, FaceBook and Twitter were funded by American VC companies and private individuals. Chinese CCP have no role to play in these top companies.
Tesla was not VC funded either. It was funded by US tax payer loans until publicly listed. Again no Chinese CCP‘s dirty hands in Tesla. Only Obama’s. There is not a single strategic company in the US that has grown through CCP moneys. I don’t know where you are getting this from. The CCP cannot invest in the US due to the patriot act in force since 9/11 which prohibits laundered moneys.
The CCP has directly stolen technology through illegal hacking and running a den of thieves at their Houston consulate (shut down now) Plus CCP military affiliated “scientists“ directly stealing university research. And that is the hole the US is shutting down. They did not gain any technology through their “VC investments“. Lol. This is a ridiculous argument to make.
Anyine advocating the CCP criminal money laundering ways to invest in startups and gain control over technology is nuts. It has never worked and will never work.
in fact india has important technologoes like gas turbines that the Chinese don’t.
on infrastructures Google at the end of the day is a glorified search engine powered by ad revenues. While digital infra is key, we are talking about business applications like Microsoft Office, SAS, SAP, Apple or Adobe etc that improve productivity and government interfaces with the public. Data centers are another area where Amazon, Google and Microsoft play good roles. Android phones are a key. Networking infrastructure from CISCO, Juniper etc are important. Facebook and Twitter are useless and not a necessity for sure.
In any case, digital infra investments pale in comparison to hard infra investments. Hard infra investments are the real wealth creators - better roads, water, health, education etc. I don’t think a poor person is thinking about an AI powered search engine LOL.
 

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Why do they think Indian Media represents India? Pakis have to show their stupidity somewhere.
Because that’s how it works in porkistan. The Army owns their media and they think the government and army operates the same way here. It is called transference in psychology. Just because you have a certain way you are exposed to, you think everyone else has the same way aka transference or more technically porkistani jaahiliat.
 

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Have the people here watched this video?


This guy is apparently a German centrist. (so read center left or leftist.)

The video has made some of the typical mistakes that a Westerner makes when talking about Indian subcontinent that I will list below but it's still an informative video nonetheless.

The mistakes:
1) explains only the sunni kashmiriy muslim narrative of the kashmir conflict.
Ignores that j and k also has jammu and ladakh.

2) does the usual bjp-rss bad without any nuance not explanation of their ideology

3) glorification of Nehru as a great statesman without exploring the criticism of his policies

4) doesn't recognise that Pakistan ideology is based on muslim exceptionalism and pretends that it's just a territorial issue.

There are some more minor mistakes and other mistakes I may have missed.
Do list then if you them important.


Having said that, I will maintain that it's way better than the typical western media coverage on india and also gives some perspective la from the paki side we often miss.

The part on why pakistan is obsessed about Kashmir was also good.
 

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We don't have any proper bases or berths in either of the countries. The only semblance of a base we have in Maldives is a small wharf for operations of coast guard under the command of Maldivian authorities.

In comparison the chinese leased an entire island a few years back and now use it as they wish too.


A similar situation is taking place in sri lanka where the local authorities have given complete authority of the port city to china.


How GOI manages to let this happen is beyond me.
Bases in Lakshadweep and base in karwar(largest in asia) will neutralize Chinese presence in maldives.

Coco island bases can easily be neutralized by bases in Andaman even Bangladesh navy can also be in helping hand in keeping out Chinese. That's why chinki are nervous about Bangladesh entry in quad.


Bases in sri Lanka can only be neutralized by Visakhapatnam. Since water near tamil nadu is very much sallow so no navy can operate in it. India has already build air force station in tamil nadu to monitor that future Chinese base.
 

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Bases in Lakshadweep and base in karwar(largest in asia) will neutralize Chinese presence in maldives.

Coco island bases can easily be neutralized by bases in Andaman even Bangladesh navy can also be in helping hand in keeping out Chinese. That's why chinki are nervous about Bangladesh entry in quad.


Bases in sri Lanka can only be neutralized by Visakhapatnam. Since water near tamil nadu is very much sallow so no navy can operate in it. India has already build air force station in tamil nadu to monitor that future Chinese base.
We need to buy an island near Mauritius or Seychelles and out our base over there. Nothing like owning a permanent aircraft carrier. If india gets very wealthy, we can engineer a situation where Mauritius accedes to India and put a base there. Or, we can technically take over Diego Garcia as the Brits cannot hold this under international law. But we need our own island and a base in that region.
 

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India too needs to learn the art of making under the table deals when friendly govts are in power.
when it comes to strategic games, for something to happen now, that strategic intent has to be written into policy atleast two decades prior.

even if there is a strategic intent today, there is no guarantee that if a different political party comes into power they are gonna follow thru with the long list of moves to implement that particular strategic intent.

Stating the obvious, but it is what it is.

In our case the alternatives are either congress or a coalition govts, and we know what happened in last 40 years.
 

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it may be a regular thing... but according to me 5.5 lakh quantity is bigger than what's reqd for a corps size formation



Frozen dressed chicken... 1 whole chicken serves 7-9 people. According to my calculation 5.5 lakh will serve 50,000 people for 180 days(6 months)... certainly there are much more than 50k people in that theatre... & consider the huge number of vegetarian troops... this might be an indication of something!
Very few soldiers in IA are vegetarians. Trust me.

Barring Amritdhaari Sikhs most of the troops consume Non-veg diet. I personally know soldiers from Veg eating Brahman family turning into non-vegeterians upon induction in the army.

'Rum and Meat' is what keeps you warm in forward locations.
 

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We need to buy an island near Mauritius or Seychelles and out our base over there. Nothing like owning a permanent aircraft carrier. If india gets very wealthy, we can engineer a situation where Mauritius accedes to India and put a base there. Or, we can technically take over Diego Garcia as the Brits cannot hold this under international law. But we need our own island and a base in that region.
Artificial islands?
 

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We need to buy an island near Mauritius or Seychelles and out our base over there. Nothing like owning a permanent aircraft carrier. If india gets very wealthy, we can engineer a situation where Mauritius accedes to India and put a base there. Or, we can technically take over Diego Garcia as the Brits cannot hold this under international law. But we need our own island and a base in that region.
I don't think India will get control of Diego Garcia in the near future. US military uses it with UK permission.
 

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Have the people here watched this video?


This guy is apparently a German centrist. (so read center left or leftist.)

The video has made some of the typical mistakes that a Westerner makes when talking about Indian subcontinent that I will list below but it's still an informative video nonetheless.

The mistakes:
1) explains only the sunni kashmiriy muslim narrative of the kashmir conflict.
Ignores that j and k also has jammu and ladakh.

2) does the usual bjp-rss bad without any nuance not explanation of their ideology

3) glorification of Nehru as a great statesman without exploring the criticism of his policies

4) doesn't recognise that Pakistan ideology is based on muslim exceptionalism and pretends that it's just a territorial issue.

There are some more minor mistakes and other mistakes I may have missed.
Do list then if you them important.


Having said that, I will maintain that it's way better than the typical western media coverage on india and also gives some perspective la from the paki side we often miss.

The part on why pakistan is obsessed about Kashmir was also good.
One mistake I forgot to add.

5) not explainig the jihadi leanings of the kashmir separatist movement.
 

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Artificial islands?
As long as they don’t sink like the Chinese ones. Lol.
actually minicoy is an ideal island that can be fully reclaimed and the reclaimed area made into a base. Right now the small atoll is populated which is to our great advantage . reclaiming on the western side should give enough land for a joint base like in the Andamans. I hope the military is planning such things and not just sitting around. Minicoy is almost near Maldives and will also keep an eye on them plus gives us a permanent aircraft carrier.
 
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Bases in Lakshadweep and base in karwar(largest in asia) will neutralize Chinese presence in maldives.

Coco island bases can easily be neutralized by bases in Andaman even Bangladesh navy can also be in helping hand in keeping out Chinese. That's why chinki are nervous about Bangladesh entry in quad.


Bases in sri Lanka can only be neutralized by Visakhapatnam. Since water near tamil nadu is very much sallow so no navy can operate in it. India has already build air force station in tamil nadu to monitor that future Chinese base.
In addition to bases Indian navy will need to drastically increase its current strength in order to match the chinese deployements in IOR region around 2025-30. The current replacement levels are inadequate and end up creating shortfalls in some circumstances.

We also need to keep in mind the chinese presence in gwadar dijibouti and african nationas in the coming decades.

More than building bases we need to prevent the Chinese from acquiring them.

Overall more money needs to be pumped into the navy at a drastic pace. As of now that seems impossible atleast in the coming years.
 

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In addition to bases Indian navy will need to drastically increase its current strength in order to match the chinese deployements in IOR region around 2025-30. The current replacement levels are inadequate and end up creating shortfalls in some circumstances.

We also need to keep in mind the chinese presence in gwadar dijibouti and african nationas in the coming decades.

More than building bases we need to prevent the Chinese from acquiring them.

Overall more money needs to be pumped into the navy at a drastic pace. As of now that seems impossible atleast in the coming years.
Bases Sri Lanka are biggest threat
Trinconmalee is 3 largest natural harbor.
Single handedly it can handle tremendous number of submarines.
Even if chinki buys whole east African coast it can handle less submarine than trinconmalee.
 
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Since sri Lanka after end of civil war was very happy with porki and chinki aid.
Even sri Lanka was eager to buy jf17 and al khalid tank. This can be a huge export booster for these porki products.
So that why India offered lca tejas in order to pressurize sri Lanka to stop jf17. We succeed in this.
After covid crisis sri lanka is going to modify it's own old Israeli jet kfir
As if JF17 is leading jet out there?

Airforces evaluate jets, if for the same range of price if a country is getting a better aircraft then they will opt for it.

the main disadvantage with JF17 is, Chinese the original manufacturers did not induct it.
 

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