India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021)

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Hm some twt says shelling but take it with a boatload of salt...dont think we or they can hide CFV's for long.
What is with this Porkistani rant of disputed or not disputed? Can someone identify the source of this entitlement. More than Pakistani illiteracy I say it is Indian librandus who are both mislead and misleading.

You SOBs pakis, a dispute is to be resolved peacefully and the claims on both sides can go either way or remain in status co. This is the meaning and connotation of word ‘Dispute’. Once you start a military action to resolve a dispute then everything become disputed including your whole state.
 

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What is with this Porkistani rant of disputed or not disputed? Can someone identify the source of this entitlement. I say it is Indian librandus who are both mislead and misleading.

You SOBs pakis, a dispute is to be resolved peacefully and the claims on both sides can go either way or remain in status co. This is the meaning and connotation of word ‘Dispute’. Once you start a military action to resolve a dispute then everything become disputed including your whole state.
Pakistanis are obsessed with it because they use it to claim they won the 1965 war. They did Gibraltar and Grandslam in “disputed territories” while we crossed the IB.

The claim is baseless and stupid. If you start military hostilities with someone, you can’t just say “oh you can’t attack me here and here”.
 
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Pakistanis are obsessed with it because they use it to claim they won the 1965 war. They did Gibraltar and Grandslam in “disputed territories” while we crossed the IB.

The claim is baseless and stupid. If you start military hostilities with someone, you can’t just say “oh you can’t attack me here and here”.
I have heard many Indian politician using this term and both Porkis and Indians somehow use this term to legitimise Pakistani claims and concerns or getting defensive about it.

To add further, since Pakistan has restored to violence and military action, all the bets are off and all agreements are null and void. The question mark is more on Indian leadership, both political and military to recognise Pakistani belligerence as end of recognising their territorial integrity disputed or not disputed (so called).
 

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What is with this Porkistani rant of disputed or not disputed? Can someone identify the source of this entitlement. More than Pakistani illiteracy I say it is Indian librandus who are both mislead and misleading.

You SOBs pakis, a dispute is to be resolved peacefully and the claims on both sides can go either way or remain in status co. This is the meaning and connotation of word ‘Dispute’. Once you start a military action to resolve a dispute then everything become disputed including your whole state.
creation of a "dispute" leads to aggression from opposite party
aggression
leads to "zulm"
zulm is a pre-condition which provides justification for declaring jihad by the book.

hence always tuned towards self-actualising pre-conditions for zulm.

last week was thinking that i had coined a new term called "pakistanism", idea was to list out all the tropes in their discourse that paki establishment and awam keep reusing decade after decade.

but apparently "pakistanism" is already in usage for more than a decade.

no harm in adding to the existing definitions, i guess.

ex :
1- Modi/RSS/BJP is fascist : This pakistanism has also been used for Nehru, Indira Gandhi, Congress. they too were called Hindu fascists in pakistani discourse.

2- Bharat mein musalman par zulm ho raha hai : This pakistanism has been usage for many centuries, this trope was also used to invite abdali to attack Bharat in 1760's.

etc etc
Shah wali allah's letter to Ahmed Shah abdali

"muslims will be liberated from their bonds".
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What is with this Porkistani rant of disputed or not disputed? Can someone identify the source of this entitlement. More than Pakistani illiteracy I say it is Indian librandus who are both mislead and misleading.

You SOBs pakis, a dispute is to be resolved peacefully and the claims on both sides can go either way or remain in status co. This is the meaning and connotation of word ‘Dispute’. Once you start a military action to resolve a dispute then everything become disputed including your whole state.
Pakistan's entire argument fails by the fact that india had guaranteed military retaliation anywhere along the boundary in case of a unilateral attempt to change the staus Quo by crossing the ceasefire line in kashmir . Op gibraltar was a very big failure , most of the paki soldiers who infiltrated were rounded by indian army patrols and eliminated , local kashmiris refused to cooperate with those pakis and even informed indian army and police units about the whereabouts of pakistani infiltrators. Pak's main armoured offensive push towards akhnoor ( operation Grand Slam)was thrown off balance when india crossed the IB in punjab because of which they had to pull back their additonal reserves dedicated to the north thereby stretching the pak army . So basically , pakistan failed to achieve any war objective in 65
 
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What is with this Porkistani rant of disputed or not disputed? Can someone identify the source of this entitlement. More than Pakistani illiteracy I say it is Indian librandus who are both mislead and misleading.

You SOBs pakis, a dispute is to be resolved peacefully and the claims on both sides can go either way or remain in status co. This is the meaning and connotation of word ‘Dispute’. Once you start a military action to resolve a dispute then everything become disputed including your whole state.
Pakistan's entire argument fails by the fact that india had guaranteed military retaliation anywhere along the boundary in case of a unilateral attempt to change the staus Quo by crossing the ceasefire line in kashmir . Op gibraltar was a very big failure , most of the paki soldiers who infiltrated were rounded by indian army patrols and eliminated , local kashmiris refused to cooperate with those pakis and even informed indian army and police units about the whereabouts of pakistani infiltrators. Pak's main armoured offensive push towards akhnoor ( operation Grand Slam)was thrown off balance when india crossed the IB in punjab because of which they had to pull back their additonal reserves dedicated to the north thereby stretching the pak army . So basically , pakistan failed to achieve any war objective in 65
Also when those coomers from pakistan tell you that pakistan was totally unprepared for an indian attack in Punjab you should ask them why the 11 infantry division and the so called pride of their army the 1st armoured division were placed next to khem karan and managed to cross over into indian territory as soon as the war started , they were not only prepared defensively but also offensively , IV corps in lahore already had positions west of ichogil canal and fortified towns like barkee with battalion/brigade level strengths and armoured squadrons .
Despite being prepared for an indian advance the pakistanis failed to stop a single indian battalion the 3 jat from crossing the BRB canal and reaching Dograi right outside lahore , to make it worse for the pakistanis - the 3 Jat even took CO 16 Punjab as PoW .
Coming back to 11ID and 1 armour at khem karan - The placement of an armoured div and an infantry div means that there was a full fledged strike corps dedicated to attack indian defences at asal uttar and khem karan intially held by two brigades from 4th mountain division . It was poor planning and bad execution becuase of which pakistani attack beyond khem karan failed .
 
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Pakistan's entire argument fails by the fact that india had guaranteed military retaliation anywhere along the boundary in case of a unilateral attempt to change the staus Quo by crossing the ceasefire line in kashmir . Op gibraltar was a very big failure , most of the paki soldiers who infiltrated were rounded by indian army patrols and eliminated , local kashmiris refused to cooperate with those pakis and even informed indian army and police units about the whereabouts of pakistani infiltrators. Pak's main armoured offensive push towards akhnoor ( operation Grand Slam)was thrown off balance when india crossed the IB in punjab because of which they had to pull back their additonal reserves dedicated to the north thereby stretching the pak army . So basically , pakistan failed to achieve any war objective in 65
One thing about Operation Grandslam.

The Pakistanis did not stop their offensive after September 6th. I repeat, they did not stop their offensive after September 6th.

They actually tried to cut off the Akhnoor Rajouri road by infiltrating to the hilly areas to the north (which was unoccupied by own troops) of Jaurian (Jamotian-Manani, in Jammu), but 3 Kumaon and 1/1 Gorkha Rifles checked them with quite ease. Clearing them from the area.

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Fighting a war in disputed area is not an invasion technically.
J&k is dispute area and both the countries doesn't recognizes loc as international border. So when porki attacked us in 1965 , 1971 and 1999 it is the fight was disputed area. Even we attacked them in 1984 and captured siachen,

When we crossed international border in sialkot sector in 1965 war then war was technically started.

Porki started war in 1965 wardue to internal reason since ayub khan popularity was at its lowest even he had to resign in 1969 and bhutto (FM that time) wanted to gain power of PM if porkistan army would be defeated than ayub khan would be forced for stepping down.
So he decided to be liberator of kashmir
Wrong. Any military action starts a war. They attacked us on their choosing.
 

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One thing about Operation Grandslam.

The Pakistanis did not stop their offensive after September 6th. I repeat, they did not stop their offensive after September 6th.

They actually tried to cut off the Akhnoor Rajouri road by infiltrating to the hilly areas to the north (which was unoccupied by own troops) of Jaurian (Jamotian-Manani, in Jammu), but 3 Kumaon and 1/1 Gorkha Rifles checked them with quite ease. Clearing them from the area.

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i know they didn't stop , what I implied was that their dedicated reserves to the north were pulled back to the south particularly to reinforce sialkot sector .
 

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Fighting a war in disputed area is not an invasion technically.
J&k is dispute area and both the countries doesn't recognizes loc as international border. So when porki attacked us in 1965 , 1971 and 1999 it is the fight was disputed area. Even we attacked them in 1984 and captured siachen,

When we crossed international border in sialkot sector in 1965 war then war was technically started.

Porki started war in 1965 wardue to internal reason since ayub khan popularity was at its lowest even he had to resign in 1969 and bhutto (FM that time) wanted to gain power of PM if porkistan army would be defeated than ayub khan would be forced for stepping down.
So he decided to be liberator of kashmir
Your logic is flawed sir
 

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Akhtar hussain Khan being replaced by Yahya khan as GoC 12 infantry Division delayed the whole plan by a day and spoiled the advance
Even then, it took them two days to take jaurian. After that, India crossed the IB.
 

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India is a bully nation.
when smaller power porkistan decides to take on india we pay them back exponentially.
For khalistan issue we took back siachen, etc

But when it comes to China we are afraid.
China was captured hell number of ours territory since 1962 we did not nothing.Till 2013 we were always at back foot china openly captured our land

Even doklam plateau is lost as of now. Even in gogra and hot spring area Chinese has done encroachment and we did nothing.
China supplied porkis with with nukes, missile, tank, jets, artillery, etc and we dance by only supplying brahmos to Philippines.

It was China who saved UN designated terrorist many times. It was China who stopped us in nsg group.

China is openly against us in every forum and we are totally afraid in dealing them
India is happy to take on porkis whose economy is 1/10 of gdp of India but we afraid when it comes to China.

it is very easy to defeat smaller power than to take on a bigger power.
Such retarted logic lmao.

Pakistan’s army was better than that of India’s in 1965. It’s GDP per capita was higher. It was an economically better area.
 

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India is a bully nation.
when smaller power porkistan decides to take on india we pay them back exponentially.
For khalistan issue we took back siachen, etc

But when it comes to China we are afraid.
China was captured hell number of ours territory since 1962 we did not nothing.Till 2013 we were always at back foot china openly captured our land

Even doklam plateau is lost as of now. Even in gogra and hot spring area Chinese has done encroachment and we did nothing.
China supplied porkis with with nukes, missile, tank, jets, artillery, etc and we dance by only supplying brahmos to Philippines.

It was China who saved UN designated terrorist many times. It was China who stopped us in nsg group.

China is openly against us in every forum and we are totally afraid in dealing them
India is happy to take on porkis whose economy is 1/10 of gdp of India but we afraid when it comes to China.

it is very easy to defeat smaller power than to take on a bigger power.
Looking at it objectively, yes.

It's not a negative thing though. You call it bully, I'll simply say we're "risk averse".
It's a matter of phrasing.

Let's be honest, almost all of us here wish India was more of a bully.
 

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India is a bully nation.
when smaller power porkistan decides to take on india we pay them back exponentially.
For khalistan issue we took back siachen, etc

But when it comes to China we are afraid.
China was captured hell number of ours territory since 1962 we did not nothing.Till 2013 we were always at back foot china openly captured our land

Even doklam plateau is lost as of now. Even in gogra and hot spring area Chinese has done encroachment and we did nothing.
China supplied porkis with with nukes, missile, tank, jets, artillery, etc and we dance by only supplying brahmos to Philippines.

It was China who saved UN designated terrorist many times. It was China who stopped us in nsg group.

China is openly against us in every forum and we are totally afraid in dealing them
India is happy to take on porkis whose economy is 1/10 of gdp of India but we afraid when it comes to China.

it is very easy to defeat smaller power than to take on a bigger power.
Restraint =/= being afraid . Let them try it the next time , earlier we were underdeployed and overstretched across ladakh . Also , Doklam was taken by them in the initial days well before india came into the picture when bhutan didn't do anything , it was only after their Road reached a little south of the tri junction on the bhutanese side that indian forces intervened realising that bhutan wasn't doing anything. We did well by stopping them from advancing further in . It is not our fault that most of doklam is under chinese control , atleast we didn't let them cross the ground that we are holding
 

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