India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

[DEV1729]

look at this now and look at the statement from the Indian side its a very casual statement like "oh sorry we have parked in your space as we were in hurry please adjust karlo"

mumtaz qureshi (@qureshi_mumtaz) Tweeted:
@Islaamabad Today PAF F_16 jet crashed at Mian Chnu , pilot ejected safely

 

[SavageKing456]

Few points...
If it was fired by mistake why it took 2 days for press release.
If no one died and they were able to monitor it's complete flight path why ISPR took 24 hours to declare it as indian supersonic missile.

Here is what I think...
We fired a missile in Pakistan to take out a HVT. Target was killed.
Pakistan failed miserably to Intercept or monitor the missile.
As face saving measures they declare no loss of life. Assessment of the situation was made and Unable to do anything about it they came up with navigation failed theory(Don't forget they came up with it, not us).
After monitoring pakistani side of story after 2 days Indian played along and said it was a technical malfunction. When it was a perfectly timed operation considering global situation right now.

If it was to kill HVT why to use Brahmos
I don't think that we will use expensive unit on a bearded mulla probably scratching his balls on a sofa

 

[pruthvi24]

look at the date of the tweet the ISPR press conference was after 8 o clock and i searched news reports regarding f-16 crashes none reported even pakis were confused some said it was trainer aircraft

 

[Maveli]

mumtaz qureshi (@qureshi_mumtaz) Tweeted:
@Islaamabad Today PAF F_16 jet crashed at Mian Chnu , pilot ejected safely

Well if mumtaz qureshi said it, than it must be true.

I'm sure his total 2 followers on twitter take him for his word.

 

[brat4]

If it was to kill HVT why to use Brahmos
I don't think that we will use expensive unit on a bearded mulla probably scratching his balls on a sofa

for the extreme CEP that brahmos gives. also, to prevent any AD intercepts
also, too many tests on brahmos right before incident (to check for CEP) and an image released showing how good the CEP was from Brahmos

 

[Jimih]

I want to believe this

 

[shitsandgiggles]

Well if mumtaz qureshi said it, than it must be true.

I'm sure his total 2 followers on twitter take him for his word.

OMFG it actually is only 2 followers

 

[India Super Power]

Bas yeh reh gaya tha zindagi me dekhne keliye
Waha Russia 3rd ww karega karega aur hum yaha yek nuclear power ke yaha supersonic missile galti se dal di

 

[Shashank Nayak]

I got my confirmation. Good night.

When Chivas says.. it must be true..

 

[tsunami]

If it was to kill HVT why to use Brahmos
I don't think that we will use expensive unit on a bearded mulla probably scratching his balls on a sofa

First I am not sure in HVT was indeed a human. 2nd bramhos can't be intercepted, have very high accuracy and can penetrate anything. Last target is more then 125kms inside pakistan. You can't takeout something like that with precision guidance munitions.
Anyway if your fighters drop bombs in side pakistan there is no deniability.

 

[ezsasa]

First I am not sure in HVT was indeed a human. 2nd bramhos can't be intercepted, have very high accuracy and can penetrate anything. Last target is more then 125kms inside pakistan. You can't takeout something like that with precision guidance munitions.
Anyway if your fighters drop bombs in side pakistan there is no deniability.

This "brahmos can't be intercepted" thing is not an absolute certainty, it's a conditional depending on the trajectory on that day and AD system that the other side has at that point in time. it didn't happen yet doesn't mean it won't happen in the future.

 

[Op Kahuta]

and the fact that Ghafoori Sena admitted that India is yet to issue a clarification during press conference and their sasta Tere Naam Moeed Chewsuf admitted that India took 2 days to issue a clarification is enough to tell that there were no backchannel talks regarding the launch, hence it was a deliberate launch to humiliate the hell out Pakroaches

Acc to peed we didn't inform them immediately

 

[warmachine541]

Does brahmos even travel at 40,000 feet?


The truth is we will never get to know. Not atleast for a few years.

 

[Arihant Roy]

This is far from an accidental Brahmos launch. There are so many minute details in this that make the entire episode so spooky.

1. The missile round was fired from an operational TEL of an Army regiment or airforce squadron. Brahmos is a wooden round and the missile is hermetically stored inside the canister. So the missile would be having a perfectly functional warhead and not an inert warhead as many are speculating.

2. Before a missile is actually launched, a battery of self diagnostic tests on the missile are carried out which indicates the health and actual status of the missile. You don't simply press a red circular button and the missile takes off. If any component or mission critical LRU would have malfunctioned, the C2 element of the TEL wouldn't clear the missile for launch.

3. Then there is the issue of missile trajectory planning , waypoints and target data in terms of coordinates, 3D profile for dsmac matching , attack angle, azimuth and a host of other parameters that need to be fed into the missile before the missile is actually ready for launch. An accidentally launched missile won't fly for ___ kms inside Indian airspace , then make a right turn and head for Pakistan

4. The missile was flying in airspace controlled by Bhatinda . Despite falling in an obscure town with acres of empty space, the missile managed to fall on a warehouse/cold storage / structure and destroy it . The missile could have simply fallen on an empty field devoid of any features. We have seen some Russian missiles going off target and hitting open ground in Ukraine despite being carefully targetted at militarily significant targets and here we have a missile which despite being accident launched managed to destroy a building . This is just awesome.

5. Had the missile been inert without any warhead, it wouldn't have brought down that entire structure. It would just have made a big gaping hole in the walls and then crash to the ground. This was an armed missile.

6. The Pakistanis didn't have any clue as to what had happened and what had hit them on 9th . It's very likely that their AD centres didn't get a good track or failed to detect the Brahmos missile throughout its flight envelope. Only when the explosion happened and locals had gathered around , did they know that something has indeed happened. Even then it took them an entire day to find out what it was . And only after that did ISPR held a press conference.

7. Had it really been an incident of malfunctioning equipment and accidental launch , we would have informed them on 9th itself. Heck, we could have come out with a press release on 10th itself just after their press conference that our missile had malfunctioned and we were sorry for the incident .

Instead we waited for an entire day and then came out with a really concise and short press statement. Doesn't it ring any bell ?

8. The MoD had postponed Depexpo 22 and Vayu Shakti indefinitely just before this accident launch. You can explain the postponement of Def due to the absence of many international OEM due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine but how will explain the cancellation of Vayushakti especially when IAF aircrafts had been going about their demos and practise runs for a week before March 7 when suddenly we heard that the exercise had been postponed.

9. Hadn't ISPR not held a press conference and disclose the series of events , we wouldnt have known. The GoI had no intention of revealing this. Usually when there is a misfire or an accident that involves a missile mistakenly crossing over into enemy territory, people usually inform their neighbour at the earliest . We on the other hand took our own sweet time and then just said sorry. This is an example of a very non chalant casual attitude . As if we don't give a damn.

Connect the dots.

 

[tsunami]

This "brahmos can't be intercepted" thing is not an absolute certainty, it's a conditional depending on the trajectory on that day and AD system that the other side has at that point in time. it didn't happen yet doesn't mean it won't happen in the future.

For pakistan that a very high chance. And as per them only missile did make turns to avoid interception.

 

[Porkislayer]

Acc to peed we didn't inform them immediately

And despite that, notice his choice of words (inadvertent etc). They're trying overtime not to make it look like Indian agression and trying everything in the book to keep the situation de-esclated. India, OTOH, is behaving like a Chad. First we didn't inform them, and and then casually release a press release after two days as if it's nothing serious.

 

[Op Kahuta]

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Ab samjhe joh missile "malfunction" ko leke armed forces aur govt ko unprofessional bta rhe hai aur court martial ki baat kar rhe, kyu jaruri hai inn mc ke upar brahmos marna. Ya abhi bhi war nhi chahiye aise logo ko? Kyuki war pak ne hmesha suru kar rkhi hai hmare against.
Great job Indian armed forces and our govt for the "malfunction"!

 

[Mikel]

This is far from an accidental Brahmos launch. There are so many minute details in this that make the entire episode so spooky.

1. The missile round was fired from an operational TEL of an Army regiment or airforce squadron. Brahmos is a wooden round and the missile is hermetically stored inside the canister. So the missile would be having a perfectly functional warhead and not an inert warhead as many are speculating.

2. Before a missile is actually launched, a battery of self diagnostic tests on the missile are carried out which indicates the health and actual status of the missile. You don't simply press a red circular button and the missile takes off. If any component or mission critical LRU would have malfunctioned, the C2 element of the TEL wouldn't clear the missile for launch.

3. Then there is the issue of missile trajectory planning , waypoints and target data in terms of coordinates, 3D profile for dsmac matching , attack angle, azimuth and a host of other parameters that need to be fed into the missile before the missile is actually ready for launch. An accidentally launched missile won't fly for ___ kms inside Indian airspace , then make a right turn and head for Pakistan

4. The missile was flying in airspace controlled by Bhatinda . Despite falling in an obscure town with acres of empty space, the missile managed to fall on a warehouse/cold storage / structure and destroy it . The missile could have simply fallen on an empty field devoid of any features. We have seen some Russian missiles going off target and hitting open ground in Ukraine despite being carefully targetted at militarily significant targets and here we have a missile which despite being accident launched managed to destroy a building . This is just awesome.

5. Had the missile been inert without any warhead, it wouldn't have brought down that entire structure. It would just have made a big gaping hole in the walls and then crash to the ground. This was an armed missile.

6. The Pakistanis didn't have any clue as to what had happened and what had hit them on 9th . It's very likely that their AD centres didn't get a good track or failed to detect the Brahmos missile throughout its flight envelope. Only when the explosion happened and locals had gathered around , did they know that something has indeed happened. Even then it took them an entire day to find out what it was . And only after that did ISPR held a press conference.

7. Had it really been an incident of malfunctioning equipment and accidental launch , we would have informed them on 9th itself. Heck, we could have come out with a press release on 10th itself just after their press conference that our missile had malfunctioned and we were sorry for the incident .

Instead we waited for an entire day and then came out with a really concise and short press statement. Doesn't it ring any bell ?

8. The MoD had postponed Depexpo 22 and Vayu Shakti indefinitely just before this accident launch. You can explain the postponement of Def due to the absence of many international OEM due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine but how will explain the cancellation of Vayushakti especially when IAF aircrafts had been going about their demos and practise runs for a week before March 7 when suddenly we heard that the exercise had been postponed.

9. Hadn't ISPR not held a press conference and disclose the series of events , we wouldnt have known. The GoI had no intention of revealing this. Usually when there is a misfire or an accident that involves a missile mistakenly crossing over into enemy territory, people usually inform their neighbour at the earliest . We on the other hand took our own sweet time and then just said sorry. This is an example of a very non chalant casual attitude . As if we don't give a damn.

Connect the dots.

 

[Op Kahuta]

This is far from an accidental Brahmos launch. There are so many minute details in this that make the entire episode so spooky.

1. The missile round was fired from an operational TEL of an Army regiment or airforce squadron. Brahmos is a wooden round and the missile is hermetically stored inside the canister. So the missile would be having a perfectly functional warhead and not an inert warhead as many are speculating.

2. Before a missile is actually launched, a battery of self diagnostic tests on the missile are carried out which indicates the health and actual status of the missile. You don't simply press a red circular button and the missile takes off. If any component or mission critical LRU would have malfunctioned, the C2 element of the TEL wouldn't clear the missile for launch.

3. Then there is the issue of missile trajectory planning , waypoints and target data in terms of coordinates, 3D profile for dsmac matching , attack angle, azimuth and a host of other parameters that need to be fed into the missile before the missile is actually ready for launch. An accidentally launched missile won't fly for ___ kms inside Indian airspace , then make a right turn and head for Pakistan

4. The missile was flying in airspace controlled by Bhatinda . Despite falling in an obscure town with acres of empty space, the missile managed to fall on a warehouse/cold storage / structure and destroy it . The missile could have simply fallen on an empty field devoid of any features. We have seen some Russian missiles going off target and hitting open ground in Ukraine despite being carefully targetted at militarily significant targets and here we have a missile which despite being accident launched managed to destroy a building . This is just awesome.

5. Had the missile been inert without any warhead, it wouldn't have brought down that entire structure. It would just have made a big gaping hole in the walls and then crash to the ground. This was an armed missile.

6. The Pakistanis didn't have any clue as to what had happened and what had hit them on 9th . It's very likely that their AD centres didn't get a good track or failed to detect the Brahmos missile throughout its flight envelope. Only when the explosion happened and locals had gathered around , did they know that something has indeed happened. Even then it took them an entire day to find out what it was . And only after that did ISPR held a press conference.

7. Had it really been an incident of malfunctioning equipment and accidental launch , we would have informed them on 9th itself. Heck, we could have come out with a press release on 10th itself just after their press conference that our missile had malfunctioned and we were sorry for the incident .

Instead we waited for an entire day and then came out with a really concise and short press statement. Doesn't it ring any bell ?

8. The MoD had postponed Depexpo 22 and Vayu Shakti indefinitely just before this accident launch. You can explain the postponement of Def due to the absence of many international OEM due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine but how will explain the cancellation of Vayushakti especially when IAF aircrafts had been going about their demos and practise runs for a week before March 7 when suddenly we heard that the exercise had been postponed.

9. Hadn't ISPR not held a press conference and disclose the series of events , we wouldnt have known. The GoI had no intention of revealing this. Usually when there is a misfire or an accident that involves a missile mistakenly crossing over into enemy territory, people usually inform their neighbour at the earliest . We on the other hand took our own sweet time and then just said sorry. This is an example of a very non chalant casual attitude . As if we don't give a damn.

Connect the dots.

A really good explanation with logic and technicalities

 

[Mikel]

for the extreme CEP that brahmos gives. also, to prevent any AD intercepts
also, too many tests on brahmos right before incident (to check for CEP) and an image released showing how good the CEP was from Brahmos

You're right. This random tweet is starting to make a lot of sense right now