India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

[Angel of War]

Also the Indian occupying troops were not sure whether the reinforcements will reach them or not, once they hold the major vantage points.

All your other points are true.

true , an example would be the battle of Dograi where the Jats had already crossed the icchogil canal but were forced to withdraw due to orders from High command to regroup with the rest of the division . This forced them to leave an advantageous defensive position where they were already dug in. We spent the rest of the war trying to reach that position. For those of our members who don't know where dograi is let me tell you it is barely 1.2 km from Lahore . Just imagine we had reached within a kilometer of Lahore. The men of 3 Jat wiped out Pakistan army's 16 Punjab in a fierce bayonet fight

 

[Ayushraj]

Pàkistan is in mess. They're shrot of civil war but hating India and India will attack them narrative is holding them back from civil war. Pashtun uprising in KPK and economic mess may boil down to civil war in future. We should play wait and watch game fortifying ourselves to take advantage when they crumble. Also we should shift our resources and strategies from Pak centric to China to hold on them if they come down to porkis help

China is a export hungry nation and china will never fight war with any other nation except for taiwan due to economic reason eg semiconductor is key component for electronic products, etc and taiwan can also disrupt Chinese trading ships.


China target doklam and communist protestor in delhi were barking to cut chicken neck from India by muslim population in bengal. China just need a port in indian ocean in order to trade by cutting off chicken neck China can reach Chittagong.

China target galwan since route gives 6 months connectivity to pok as of now they have only 3 months connectivity.


Due to insurgency in balochistan China toppled Myanmar government.

China targeted Hambantota and sri Lanka with leftist in Kerala and tamil nadu China want to mine thorium present in ram setu illegally and Lakahapweep is a coral island so thorium can be present their so China is Countinously targeting maldives.

China cares only for trade

 

[Sir pe tapla]

true , an example would be the battle of Dograi where the Jats had already crossed the icchogil canal but were forced to withdraw due to orders from High command to regroup with the rest of the division . This forced them to leave an advantageous defensive position where they were already dug in. We spent the rest of the war trying to reach that position. For those of our members who don't know where dograi is let me tell you it is barely 1.2 km from Lahore . Just imagine we had reached within a kilometer of Lahore. The men of 3 Jat wiped out Pakistan army's 16 Punjab in a fierce bayonet fight

Read India's war. What you said is true. But it is also true that our logistics were spread thin, the pace at which the Jats had advanced was unexpected , they were way ahead of the rest of the advancing Indian army collumn and were at risk of getting cut off and surrounded from the rest of the army.

I think it was the correct decision to call them back.

 

[daya]

All we lack is a strong leadership . I had expected too much from modi but he doesn't seem to live up to my expectations. He should have declared war as soon as abhinanadan was captured. It would have given us a good excuse to at least take back some part of PoK

Either Yogi Adityanath or Hemant Biswa Sarma could do it. Baaki military advantages ka koi fayda nahi uthaya aaj tak.. varta ki mej par sab haar gaye..

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Either Yogi Adityanath or Hemant Biswa Sarma could do it. Baaki military advantages ka koi fayda nahi uthaya aaj tak.. varta ki mej par sab haar gaye..

ALL the Sakt laundas like Yogi, Hemant Biswa Sarma, and Modi ( when a CM ) are sakt only with local Indian Muslims.. because there is no political cost involved for the BJP.. But, taking Pok is not like bashing up some local muslims, there is a geopolitical, political and economic cost involved..

 

[daya]

ALL the Sakt laundas like Yogi, Hemant Biswa Sarma, and Modi ( when a CM ) are sakt only with local Indian Muslims.. because there is no political cost involved for the BJP.. But, taking Pok is not like bashing up some local muslims, there is a geopolitical, political and economic cost involved..

Modi Ji ko kewal sanyog ka laabh mila... maharashtra aur rajasthan se unko koi police support nahi mila, jo unhone maanga tha.. krodhit logon ko mauka mil gaya... do teen din ka... iske baad isi ka laabh mil gaya modi ji ko.. unhone topi nahi pahni to logo ne unko special maan liya.. lekin unhone is community ke utthaan ke liye hamesha prayas kiye hain... aap budget hi dekh sakte hain ki kitna badhaya gaya in logon ke liye.. aur yogi ji ya hemant ji jaisa ek bhi decision nahi liya gaya modi ji dwara....

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Modi Ji ko kewal sanyog ka laabh mila... maharashtra aur rajasthan se unko koi police support nahi mila, jo unhone maanga tha.. krodhit logon ko mauka mil gaya... do teen din ka... iske baad isi ka laabh mil gaya modi ji ko.. unhone topi nahi pahni to logo ne unko special maan liya.. lekin unhone is community ke utthaan ke liye hamesha prayas kiye hain... aap budget hi dekh sakte hain ki kitna badhaya gaya in logon ke liye.. aur yogi ji ya hemant ji jaisa ek bhi decision nahi liya gaya modi ji dwara....

What I was trying to say is this: Yogi and Himanta Biswa Sarma have yet to prove their mettle on the national and international stage. Given India's limitations in Comprehensive national power, and the defacto alliance of Pakistan and China, I would say that Modi until now, has been a tough PM, who has made incremental improvements in India's external security environment. Be it challenging China in Doklam, or in Ladakh, and maintaining more than 50000 troops through the winter in ladakh when logistics with rest of India are cut, or greatly improving India's military infrastructure along LAC inspite of strident chinese opposition, Modi has proved his mettle.

Given the stakes China has in Gilgit Baltistan( CPEC ), and its backing to Pakistan, along with implicit backing to Pakistan by US, UK and the rest of the Anglosphere, it is not possible for India to take back Gilgit Baltistan, without external events causing a major realignment of forces, causing a weakening of the Sino-Pakistan axis. That, Modi took the most consequential step of doing away with Article 370 in J and K in the aftermath of Pulwama attack, and then made Ladakh a union territory, thereby making the status of Ladakh a bilateral Indo-China dispute.. ( China used to hide behind Jammu Kashmir's UN disputed status, to not engage India on the status of LAC in ladakh ), shows that Modi is a risk taker, who has shown his calibre..

 

[Angel of War]

Read India's war. What you said is true. But it is also true that our logistics were spread thin, the pace at which the Jats had advanced was unexpected , they were way ahead of the rest of the advancing Indian army collumn and were at risk of getting cut off and surrounded from the rest of the army.

I think it was the correct decision to call them back.

They should have sent a link up column as soon as 3 Jat reached dograi ,it is the failure of the division that they didn't advance fast enough, how long will it take for them to send a brigade to reinforce 3 Jat ? 3 Jat literally had built trenches in dograi before high command passed retreat orders. The battalion level leadership made bold decisions with great success but the division level leadership wasn't simply brilliant and daring enough .

 

[Angel of War]

Read India's war. What you said is true. But it is also true that our logistics were spread thin, the pace at which the Jats had advanced was unexpected , they were way ahead of the rest of the advancing Indian army collumn and were at risk of getting cut off and surrounded from the rest of the army.

I think it was the correct decision to call them back.

plus the distance between the rest of the div and 3 jat was not that Great , the path to dograi was cleared by jat troops , all they needed to do was to build a bridge across ichogil canal which the jats had crossed by swimming. Had they built a bridge then we would have sent armour to the front line in less time

 

[Angel of War]

Itna khauf vo bhi Ceasefire ke time. Can anyone imagine what will Happen to them once ceasefire is abrogated . Ye saala to heart attack se mar jayega

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Itna khauf vo bhi Ceasefire ke time. Can anyone imagine what will Happen to them once ceasefire is abrogated . Ye saala to heart attack se mar jayega

Literally the Pakistani side of the village is empty, while the indian side is fully constructed.. Literal Gunda Gardi.. by Indian Army .. lol..

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[Love Charger]

To establish Dharma, you need a Mahabharata scale bloodshed
Are our people ready for it?

Yes , dharma if calls for killing then let be it , only melacchas are to be destroyed.

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[mokoman]

China is a export hungry nation and china will never fight war with any other nation except for taiwan due to economic reason eg semiconductor is key component for electronic products, etc and taiwan can also disrupt Chinese trading ships.


China target doklam and communist protestor in delhi were barking to cut chicken neck from India by muslim population in bengal. China just need a port in indian ocean in order to trade by cutting off chicken neck China can reach Chittagong.

China target galwan since route gives 6 months connectivity to pok as of now they have only 3 months connectivity.


Due to insurgency in balochistan China toppled Myanmar government.

China targeted Hambantota and sri Lanka with leftist in Kerala and tamil nadu China want to mine thorium present in ram setu illegally and Lakahapweep is a coral island so thorium can be present their so China is Countinously targeting maldives.

China cares only for trade

China targeted Hambantota and sri Lanka with leftist in Kerala and tamil nadu

where did u get that from ? , what power does kerala people have over Sri Lanka ?

China cares only for trade

thats what the Americans and MEA also think , they will keep thinking that until china invades/intrude in Taiwan,Tawang/AP

 

[Sir pe tapla]

They should have sent a link up column as soon as 3 Jat reached dograi ,it is the failure of the division that they didn't advance fast enough, how long will it take for them to send a brigade to reinforce 3 Jat ? 3 Jat literally had built trenches in dograi before high command passed retreat orders. The battalion level leadership made bold decisions with great success but the division level leadership wasn't simply brilliant and daring enough .

I have already said that PAF was bombing Indian forces there. They had complete air superiority, Indian main advance had slowed to a crawl. It was not the fault of army. It's responsibility of Air force to neuter these threats and provide a safe umbrella to advancing ground troops.

 

[Love Charger]

I have already said that PAF was bombing Indian forces there. They had complete air superiority, Indian main advance had slowed to a crawl. It was not the fault of army. It's responsibility of Air force to neuter these threats and provide a safe umbrella to advancing ground troops.

You can't fight sabres with vampire and ouragans .
We were technologically far behind plus f 104 starfighter had air to airmisisles
It was wonly in 71 that 100 odd mig 21s gave control of subcontinent skies back to IAF

 

[Love Charger]

I have already said that PAF was bombing Indian forces there. They had complete air superiority, Indian main advance had slowed to a crawl. It was not the fault of army. It's responsibility of Air force to neuter these threats and provide a safe umbrella to advancing ground troops.

Except colonel Desmond hayde with his 3 jat , nobody could cross the icchogil canal.

 

[Sir pe tapla]

You can't fight sabres with vampire and ouragans .
We were technologically far behind plus f 104 starfighter had air to airmisisles
It was wonly in 71 that 100 odd mig 21s gave control of subcontinent skies back to IAF

Yes, true. But then not being ready in itself is a problem isn't it? Maybe it was both fault of IAF as well as political establishment for not providing enough funds to purchase aircrafts.

 

[Love Charger]

Yes, true. But then not being ready in itself is a problem isn't it? Maybe it was both fault of IAF as well as political establishment for not providing enough funds to purchase aircrafts.

65 happened right after 62 , un pakiyon ka plan Delhi tak ka tha , not just Kashmir .
Delhi par Chad daudenge and sheit.
Ayub Khan in all his big brained talk for being a asraf pasmanda gandmast said to USA ambassador in 64 said that , India was making it's army strong like raising new divisions , etc
India was modernising but airforce was again slow to modernise , we violated the IB and it was the best decision we took.along with not taking their kutch bait , even today if I were given a choice to loose area , then it would be deserts of Kutch and not Punjab or Kashmir.