India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

[Azaad]

That's the trick , don't make a public statement . Pakistan army never accepts its casualties .
The whole PA infra at LOC is a cog in the whole terror machinery . Remember BAT is an acknowledged part of PA comprising to terrorists , when they attack Indian posts to kill and behead , it was the same PA giving them cover fire .
The proportional response used to be the same , kill theirs . Its the same now just the branding of BAT is gone and hits are happening farther inside . You must create fear among the regular PA who are the ones calling the hit of revenge .
You are loosing men either way , better be brave and take 10 times of them with us .

In that case what makes you think we're not responding to them & paying them back in their own coin on their soil ?

 

[DumbPilot]

Its thinking like above which has made Army reluctant to fight wars when asked by Nation(Ops Parakram).

 

[Cheepek]

Okay so the other nigga lost his leg, couldn't even stand and take a rest and piss
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Have their faces, how hard is it to ascertain their identity? Must be having family members, extended family members... do it for 10 terrorists and then assess... maybe

 

[Extraordinary]

Deriving some lessons from Col Hunny case, the gormint can indeed hound Generals who refuse to tow the line.
So what's usually this argument about General holding back development?

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[daya]

In that case what makes you think we're not responding to them & paying them back in their own coin on their soil ?

The quantum, in overt...

 

[kaboom]

In that case what makes you think we're not responding to them & paying them back in their own coin on their soil ?

Surely we are ..
Not as much as i would like though , even though no public statements are made , SM clutter does give us some idea if an op happens . If I remember correctly just a few months ago there was clutter about numerous disappearances within a night (must have been the wind ).
My issue is hits are not happening in proportional numbers to bring in enough fear in the facilitators .

 

[Azaad]

Surely we are ..
Not as much as i would like though , even though no public statements are made , SM clutter does give us some idea if an op happens . If I remember correctly just a few months ago there was clutter about numerous disappearances within a night (must have been the wind ).
My issue is hits are not happening in proportional numbers to bring in enough fear in the facilitators .

If you're not sure about the information flow itself how then have you concluded our responses are not proportional leave aside disproportionate ?

 

[Jimih]

My issue is hits are not happening in proportional numbers to bring in enough fear in the facilitators .

Pakistanis are once again shaping the battlefield according to their own advantage in our own turf.

They are simply shifting the teams of infiltrating terrorists from one place to other place.

The battlefield right now.

 

[mist_consecutive]

 

[Austin316]

earlier terrorists had the advantage of surprise element, now just look at the evolution

 

[kaboom]

If you're not sure about the information flow itself how then have you concluded our responses are not proportional leave aside disproportionate ?

Just yesterday a team infiltrated just one day after a big public attack on civilians .
When a regular proportional response is given , activities on launch pads is paused after an attack to prepare for an incoming response .
Them not pausing tells they have nothing to fear .

 

[ezsasa]

folks who want to indulge in these scenarios, also will have give options/ideas on building consensus with in other silos of comprehensive national power. don't leave it at, it's not my job, it's gormint's job.

the solution has to work in it's entirety, not just in silos.

when war happens, it's the entire nation that is going to war, not just the army or military component of the nation.
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[kaboom]

Pakistanis are once again shaping the battlefield according to their own advantage in our own turf.

They are simply shifting the teams of infiltrating terrorists from one place to other place.

The battlefield right now.
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What are the chances of this spreading to areas of punjab like Pathankot ??

 

[Kumaoni]

Yup. People do remember Musharraf had to publicly declare LeT and JeM as terror group cuz of it

 

[kaboom]

earlier terrorists had the advantage of surprise element, now just look at the evolution

If true , things don't look good to me ....
Brace for impact

 

[Azaad]

Just yesterday a team infiltrated just one day after a big public attack on civilians .
When a regular proportional response is given , activities on launch pads is paused after an attack to prepare for an incoming response .
Them not pausing tells they have nothing to fear .

Right , so they're poised to carry on something spectacular to gain eyeballs. We'd have to adjust our tactics accordingly. Pulwama was about what our redlines were.

Subsequently through chatter on SM , I recall 2-3 instances where PA informed their counterparts about similar operations being planned which we were able to thwart.

Looks like Hafiz wants us on the negotiation table & he's decided brinkmanship is the way to get it . Let's see how the situation pans out

 

[Jimih]

What are the chances of this spreading to areas of punjab like Pathankot ??

Good chances with the current Khalistani uprising.

But again will say that they will likely to keep their Area of Operations limited to J&K only.

 

[Jimih]

More footage

 

[ezsasa]

Just yesterday a team infiltrated just one day after a big public attack on civilians .
When a regular proportional response is given , activities on launch pads is paused after an attack to prepare for an incoming response .
Them not pausing tells they have nothing to fear .

your inference depends on your time frame for reference.

let's take last 10 years.

2014 - pakis were banking on arty duels almost on a weekly basis. IA responded in kind.
2016 - India does surgical strike, pakis started saying jihadis were entirely local, and projected burhan wani group
2019 - this continued till balakot strike, they changed their tactics to giving themselves secular names like TRF. started hit and run on civilians.
2021 - after arty duels escalated to 155 mm, ceasefire was called.
2024 - since then till now, they are using on ambushes on military and civilians.

in between, they pushed LeT front, Hizb back. and now brought Hizb to front and LeT back.

this is to say, it's not like they not changing their tactics. they are being forced to change their tactics.