India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

[Azaad]

I know its not an easy decision. There will be costs imposed on India by the United States.

But is waiting indefinitely for the ideal geopolitical situation to emerge an very wise decision. The Ukraine conflict has tied Washington's hands to a certain extent. The US needs friends to support its Ukraine intervention. And the Chinese are bringing immense pressure on the Indo - China border by their infrastructure build up. They seek to change the balance of power on the border by rapid force accretion.

As far as the search for a suitable location to test an 1 megaton bomb is concerned, I would like our nuclear scientists from BARC or DAE to offer their opinion.
Let them decide if Pokhran or any other lowly populated place in Rajasthan is suitable or not. Whether the seismic effects can be controlled or the radiation fallout can be contained in a smaller area.

Let the experts decide. How can you and I decide.
Have the BARC scientists gone public and categorically said that they cannot test a Megaton device in Pokhran or elsewhere. Because the radioactive fallout cannot be controlled.

Taking your line of thought I believe that there are unpopulated islands in the Andaman and Nicobar chain of islands. Maybe some island big enough to absorb the explosion impact can be found.
This again is conjecture. The final decision should be taken by the experts after considering all the variables.

Carrying out an mid ocean Megaton test will not be practical. If you have thought out the entire exercise please share the details of how you would accomplish it.

Let's not decide on the suitability of a testing site by forum discussions. We are no experts.

Have you specialised in nuclear science and radiation physics.
I have not.

If you are indeed an Department of Atomic Energy scientist please introduce yourself and your designation.

Pls check for where the former USSR conducted the Tsar Bomba test & it was > 50 MT & where is Lop Nur located . In any case the radiation doesn't make a difference to these states for the fallout can be easily contained just like the USSR did Chernobyl. Yet these states took care to locate their test sites in the middle of nowhere.

This isn't a question of foolish bravado. It's never been so in our case. In fact adverse effects in terms of sanctions & denial of technology has made our side adept in trying out alternatives to testing & developing technology which's been denied us .

 

[Tridev123]

Err .. it ain't hard to calculate fallout from the yield of a nuke . Also these are for testing so it's entirely possible that the blast yield would be more than anticipated (it has happened before). We are a very densely populated country . There is no place with that level of desolation where megaton yield weapons can be used . And this not something that can be left just to BARC or experts . A megaton yield explosion would mean irradiating an area the size of NCR which is literally impossible for any govt to do.

Now,if you insist on putting yourself as an expert on soil and rock formation in the Pokhran region.
You don't need to wait for the opinion of BARC scientists. Then good luck to you for living in a fantasy world.
If every member thinks that he is an Albert Einstein,then God help us

I guess you regularly offer your expert advice to Shri Ajit Kumar Mohanty the current Chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission.

If you have done a thesis on Thermonuclear Bomb blast effects and formulation of criteria for suitability of testing sites,please share with all of us.
And please, no downloading of open source material available on the subject on Internet.

I have no desire to continue an discussion with someone who imagines that he is another Oppenheimer.

Be happy in believing in your own assumptions.
However irrational they are.

Bye,bro.

 

[karn]

Now,if you insist on putting yourself as an expert on soil and rock formation in the Pokhran region.
You don't need to wait for the opinion of BARC scientists. Then good luck to you for living in a fantasy world.
If every member thinks that he is an Albert Einstein,then God help us

I guess you regularly offer your expert advice to Shri Ajit Kumar Mohanty the current Chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission.

If you have done a thesis on Thermonuclear Bomb blast effects and formulation of criteria for suitability of testing sites,please share with all of us.
And please, no downloading of open source material available on the subject on Internet.

I have no desire to continue an discussion with someone who imagines that he is another Oppenheimer.

Be happy in believing in your own assumptions.
However irrational they are.

Bye,bro.

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As if we cannot gauge the effect of a nuke blast from the thousands of tests that have already happened. That's pretty rational of me id say .
If you wanna wait for officials to say everything why are you even on this forum . Just read PIB releases and be happy.

Bye bro

 

[Tridev123]

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As if we cannot gauge the effect of a nuke blast from the thousands of tests that have already happened. That's pretty rational of me id say .
If you wanna wait for officials to say everything why are you even on this forum . Just read PIB releases and be happy.

Bye bro

What are you propagating.
Nobody should believe what experts in the field with decades of experience say.

So as per your link on, 'Appeal to Authority Fallacy'
I or nobody else should believe BARC authorities.

Okay, then what.
We have to believe you, right.
Because you are bloody well better than all the BARC scientists.

I did not join this forum to listen or follow your baseless suppositions.
Who are you?. Why the hell should I believe your bullshit.
Are you an international authority on everything nuclear.

It looks like your inflated ego has totally clouded your thinking.
Come on. Let us go to the next step of trading insults.

You can gracefully let go and conclude or we start calling each other names.
The choice is up to you.

 

[karn]

What are you propagating.
Nobody should believe what experts in the field with decades of experience say.

So as per your link on, 'Appeal to Authority Fallacy'
I or nobody else should believe BARC authorities.

Okay, then what.
We have to believe you, right.
Because you are bloody well better than all the BARC scientists.

I did not join this forum to listen or follow your baseless suppositions.
Who are you?. Why the hell should I believe your bullshit.
Are you an international authority on everything nuclear.

It looks like your inflated ego has totally clouded your thinking.
Come on. Let us go to the next step of trading insults.

You can gracefully let go and conclude or we start calling each other names.
The choice is up to you.

BARC scientists have said nothing at all about testing a megaton nuke on land .
Hence name dropping them here is a fallacy .
I didn't realise common sense is considered having an ego these days .
Just do yourself a favour and read about the effect of megaton nukes done by USA and USSR and what happened to the area of testing.
It's hard to let go and conclude when something as absurd as a megaton scale nuke in the Indian mainland is being proposed

 

[Tridev123]

BARC scientists have said nothing at all about testing a megaton nuke on land .
Hence name dropping them here is a fallacy .
I didn't realise common sense is considered having an ego these days .
Just do yourself a favour and read about the effect of megaton nukes done by USA and USSR and what happened to the area of testing.
It's hard to let go and conclude when something as absurd as a megaton scale nuke in the Indian mainland is being proposed
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Okay, so you are the person who decides on whether an megaton test is technically feasible.

Not the Prime Minister or the Cabinet or our nuclear scientists.

You need to consult a psychiatrist for your problems.

 

[Tridev123]

BARC scientists have said nothing at all about testing a megaton nuke on land .
Hence name dropping them here is a fallacy .
I didn't realise common sense is considered having an ego these days .
Just do yourself a favour and read about the effect of megaton nukes done by USA and USSR and what happened to the area of testing.
It's hard to let go and conclude when something as absurd as a megaton scale nuke in the Indian mainland is being proposed

Please consult a psychiatrist if you claim that you are the final authority in India to decide whether an megaton level test is technically possible.

 

[karn]

Please consult a psychiatrist if you claim that you are the final authority in India to decide whether an megaton level test is technically possible.

I don't need to hear about psychiatrists from someone that wants to nuke the mainland lol.

 

[Tridev123]

I don't need to hear about psychiatrists from someone that wants to nuke the mainland lol.

I am not accusing you but your desperation to dissuade India from even thinking about conducting an true hydrogen bomb test gives many a suspicion that you are following the American agenda.

The pro US lobby would want India to freeze its level of expertise in nuclear weapons technology.

 

[karn]

I am not accusing you but your desperation to dissuade India from even thinking about conducting an true hydrogen bomb test gives many a suspicion that you are following the American agenda.

The pro US lobby would want India to freeze its level of expertise in nuclear weapons technology.

I have already mentioned how I want the test to happen in the ocean. You don't need to think so much extra . I would be desperate to prevent a megaton scale on our land that's for sure and no I don't need to be some expert to claim this . The destruction and radiation poisoning from hydrogen bombs is well documented.. even the Americans moved to the Pacific for testing megaton scale nuke weapons.

 

[Tridev123]

I have already mentioned how I want the test to happen in the ocean. You don't need to think so much extra . I would be desperate to prevent a megaton scale on our land that's for sure and no I don't need to be some expert to claim this . The destruction and radiation poisoning from hydrogen bombs is well documented.. even the Americans moved to the Pacific for testing megaton scale nuke weapons.

Okay, so you are not against any Indian thermonuclear test.
Only advising against an land test.

No problems with that position.

Let us call it a day as far as discussion on this topic goes.

The best course is to leave it to the wisdom of the Government and the scientific community. Let them decide the IF and the WHEN.

Bye, bro.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Pretty bold statement.

So PoK Pakistanis are eligible Indian citizens ?

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Pretty bold statement.

So PoK Pakistanis are eligible Indian citizens ?

relax, election season chal raha hai

 

[TopWatcher]

relax, election season chal raha hai

Haan , sab serious hoon gaye

 

[daya]

Thermonuclear device of minimum yield should be tested for various purposes.

 

[jai jaganath]

Though smaller and can accommodate less sensors but must appreciate them
The amount of budget and irrespective of pathetic state they always punch above their weight and think innovative
Just imagine them being on our position what sort of power they would have established in the continent
And we on other hand reluctant to buy basic Indigenous systems which should be obviously made in house like artillery guns ifv tanks
They know their enemy and have only one object that is to destroy us
Which we are sadly lacking
Anyways might be Chinese have lend them for their objective of spying us and they might have posted PLAN personnel on ship too

 

[daya]

Consequences of underground nuclear tests...

कभी न्यूक्लियर हमलों से दहलती थी ये जगह, आज बन चुकी है खंडहर, हवा से लेकर तालाब तक में घुला है 'जहर'!

कजाकिस्तान में एक ऐसी जगह है, जिसे सबसे ज्यादा न्यूक्लियर टेस्ट करने वाली जगह माना जाता है. आपको जानकर हैरानी होगी कि इस जगह पर करीब 40 सालों तक जमीन के ऊपर और जमीन के नीचे सैकड़ों न्यूक्लियर टेस्ट (Nuclear test center Kazakhstan) किए गए थे. आज हम आपको इसके बारे में ही बताने जा रहे हैं.

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[Jimih]

Pretty bold statement.

So PoK Pakistanis are eligible Indian citizens ?

PoK is useless, main aim should be Gilgit-Baltistan.

 

[mist_consecutive]

PoK is useless, main aim should be Gilgit-Baltistan.

Our definition of PoK includes GB.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

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