India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

[Tridev123]

Then India needs to make it worse by ending this beast from within. Whatever Doval is doing right now needs to be amplified a dozen-fold.

• They are experiencing 15-20 hour load shedding; hit their power infrastructure across the country through some yahoo group.
• The price of wheat flour there is through the roof; turn up the heat by encouraging their grain stocks to be moved into Afghanistan (surely the fundamentalist Afghans who hate the Pakistanis will not mind)
• Amplify the misery of the jurnails' through Unknowns and drain their stocks; make it so steep that the Americans and Chinese struggle to fill their military's coffers.
• Use their game against them by rendering their public transport areas, their utilities, their imports of critical equipment such as medical, surgical and other equipment painful to obtain. India will have to play 5D chess with the Sino-American Frenemy alliance in the coming years.

A military assault on Pakistan will only galvanize them behind their junta leadership, and give Americans and Chinese an opportunity to turn Pakistan into our Ukraine. This virus has to be destroyed from within. And there are enough Unknown Men inside to make Pakistanis beg for a quick end. The longer we wait, the more they will be a bulwark against us for the Sino-American shadow alliance.

Remember, Ukraine to Russia is what Bangladesh to us, and even without nukes they are able to hold off the Russians so well. Russia remains immune because it has all the resources it needs to close off from the world and sustain well. We don't have that luxury. For us, it is important to strike and slay the serpent before it becomes a future outpost of the US or China.

While I agree with most of your strategy don't forget that Pakistan will not collapse until the Pakistani Army collapses.

The Army and the ISI are the steel foundations of that country.

Without getting the Army and the ISI to disintegrate no amount of effort can really succeed in breaking Pakistan.

Economic pressure while being a useful strategy is not going to make Pakistan implode or explode.

Remember Afghanistan is and was in extremely dire economic straits.But religion became the aphrodisiac which kept the masses united to a large degree.

The military will again use Islam and Jihad to hoodwink the Pakistan public and divert attention from the economic chaos.

Obviously it will be easier to get the ethnic minorities in Pakistan to first raise the banner of revolt.

But unless the supposedly homogeneous Punjabi Muslim Pakistanis are made to splinter into various factions, the task of destroying Pakistan probably may not succeed.

In short
Destroy Pakistani Punjab.
Destroy the ISI.
Destroy the Pakistan Army.

Once the Pakistani Army disintegrates it will not be too difficult to split Pakistan into various small independent nations.

 

[ezsasa]

While I agree with most of your strategy don't forget that Pakistan will not collapse until the Pakistani Army collapses.

The Army and the ISI are the steel foundations of that country.

Without getting the Army and the ISI to disintegrate no amount of effort can really succeed in breaking Pakistan.

Economic pressure while being a useful strategy is not going to make Pakistan implode or explode.

Remember Afghanistan is and was in extremely dire economic straits.But religion became the aphrodisiac which kept the masses united to a large degree.

The military will again use Islam and Jihad to hoodwink the Pakistan public and divert attention from the economic chaos.

Obviously it will be easier to get the ethnic minorities in Pakistan to first raise the banner of revolt.

But unless the supposedly homogeneous Punjabi Muslim Pakistanis are made to splinter into various factions, the task of destroying Pakistan probably may not succeed.

In short
Destroy Pakistani Punjab.
Destroy the ISI.
Destroy the Pakistan Army.

Once the Pakistani Army disintegrates it will not be too difficult to split Pakistan into various small independent nations.

since this is a defence forum, this line of thought is par for the course. there could be other ways of looking at it too.

if we use the premise that military, wars, terrorism and insurgency are tools for political negotiation. the political conceptualisation idea of pakistan originated in India, as it originated while jinnah and iqbal were in India. it went downhill after they deliberately adopted policy to erase linking history between Bharat and newly partitioned pakistan.

irrespective of whether pakiland breaks up or not, from Bharat's perspective, what we would like to see is pakiland stop being our enemy. it does not matter how it happens, even if there is a slim chance it can happen thru non-military means. needless to say, this has a low probability, but one never knows what the future holds.

perhaps the solutions for pakiland's current problems too will come out of Bharat in the future.

 

[Kumaoni]

since this is a defence forum, this line of thought is par for the course. there could be other ways of looking at it too.

if we use the premise that military, wars, terrorism and insurgency are tools for political negotiation. the political conceptualisation idea of pakistan originated in India, as it originated while jinnah and iqbal were in India. it went downhill after they deliberately adopted policy to erase linking history between Bharat and newly partitioned pakistan.

irrespective of whether pakiland breaks up or not, from Bharat's perspective, what we would like to see is pakiland stop being our enemy. it does not matter how it happens, even if there is a slim chance it can happen thru non-military means. needless to say, this has a low probability, but one never knows what the future holds.

perhaps the solutions for pakiland's current problems too will come out of Bharat in the future.

Paks identity is hellbent on destroying idnia.

 

[ezsasa]

Paks identity is hellbent on destroying idnia.

India too can choose to destroy paki identity.

the question is whether your thought process allows to think on those lines.

 

[Kumaoni]

India too can choose to destroy paki identity.

the question is whether your thought process allows to think on those lines.

Sure india can destroy it narratively but how do you plan on convincing pakis?

 

[ezsasa]

Sure india can destroy it narratively but how do you plan on convincing pakis?

apply your mind and let us know.

 

[shade]

Sure india can destroy it narratively but how do you plan on convincing pakis?

You need to widen their societal fissures.

The current trend is Imrandi's youthia cultists against the Faujeets and their pets
There is the ever-green shia-sunni.

And then there is always the Islam khatre me hai, even against their own people, which is why you have the TTP.

 

[FalconSlayers]

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Excellent documentary, must watch.

 

[shade]

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Excellent documentary, must watch.

For all you know this Headley was a CIA jihadi and 26/11 was greenlit by the owners of the Pakis sitting in DC.
Knowing Congress was an utterly cockless govt and nobody would suffer any consequences.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

 

[nongaddarliberal]

So let me get this straight. Paras were waiting at a spot to ambush terrorists, and ended up getting ambushed themselves?

 

[nongaddarliberal]

apply your mind and let us know.

Some ideas

-Lowest hanging fruit is breaking the turkic ancestry myth. Quite easy to do, and most pakis have already started questioning it. This breaks the psyche that they're inheritors or descendents of previous turkic invaders, which plays a major role in their current mindset.

-Tie development to masculinity. Islamism, particularly in Pakistan is a pseudomasculine movement which is predicated on seeming "manly" over anything else. Make it a narrative that a man's responsibility is towards the protection and development of his surroundings for his family's future, and not to be a slave of the army and mullahs, sacrificing his children's future. This is actually true. Masculinity is also about catching up to other high achieving groups of men (goras and east asians) through hard work. Here Indians beat them hands down in masculinity. Chide them that if they're true men why do they beg kaafir men for a mere 1-2 billion dollars while Hindu men have accumulated 600 billion dollars of forex while ensuring their kids get good education and a bright future?

-chide pashtuns of being slaves of converted Hindu punjabis.

-Chide the rest of Pakistan for being slaves of west Punjab, which doesn't come close to matching even individual states in India such as Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu or Gujarat.

The rest of their identity will fall apart when we achieve 4-5x their per capita income and 20-30x their GDP while they keep falling further.

 

[Zoid Raptor]

 

[Dharmic_Crusader]

 

[Blademaster]

Then India needs to make it worse by ending this beast from within. Whatever Doval is doing right now needs to be amplified a dozen-fold.

• They are experiencing 15-20 hour load shedding; hit their power infrastructure across the country through some yahoo group.
• The price of wheat flour there is through the roof; turn up the heat by encouraging their grain stocks to be moved into Afghanistan (surely the fundamentalist Afghans who hate the Pakistanis will not mind)
• Amplify the misery of the jurnails' through Unknowns and drain their stocks; make it so steep that the Americans and Chinese struggle to fill their military's coffers.
• Use their game against them by rendering their public transport areas, their utilities, their imports of critical equipment such as medical, surgical and other equipment painful to obtain. India will have to play 5D chess with the Sino-American Frenemy alliance in the coming years.

A military assault on Pakistan will only galvanize them behind their junta leadership, and give Americans and Chinese an opportunity to turn Pakistan into our Ukraine. This virus has to be destroyed from within. And there are enough Unknown Men inside to make Pakistanis beg for a quick end. The longer we wait, the more they will be a bulwark against us for the Sino-American shadow alliance.

Remember, Ukraine to Russia is what Bangladesh to us, and even without nukes they are able to hold off the Russians so well. Russia remains immune because it has all the resources it needs to close off from the world and sustain well. We don't have that luxury. For us, it is important to strike and slay the serpent before it becomes a future outpost of the US or China.

sorry Bangladesh is no Ukraine. All we need to do is seize Chittigong, capture that northern portion and seize the western part of Bangladesh and close off the river. Nothing will come to Bangladesh’s aid. Not even the US.

 

[Bleh]

sorry Bangladesh is no Ukraine. All we need to do is seize Chittigong, capture that northern portion and seize the western part of Bangladesh and close off the river. Nothing will come to Bangladesh’s aid. Not even the US.

Have you ever bothered to have a look at Banglaidshi's discussing the that from India online?

Their defence tactics is not to fight, but simply surrender. Then, once the border doesn't exist, spread their surplus population out into Assam, Bengal, Tripura & east Bihar in large numbers & take over all adjacent areas to make them muslim majority (from present 25-40%). Already jo cross-border aate hy handle kar ne me gai ka bachhra nikal ja raha hy tab samhal lega be? Whichever clueless cow thinks Bangladesh should be incorporated is the greatest enemy of the nation.

 

[Blademaster]

Have you ever bothered to have a look at Banglaidshi's discussing the that from India online?

Their defence tactics is not to fight, but simply surrender. Then, once the border doesn't exist, spread their surplus population out into Assam, Bengal, Tripura & east Bihar in large numbers & take over all adjacent areas to make them muslim majority (from present 25-40%). Already jo cross-border aate hy handle kar ne me gai ka bachhra nikal ja raha hy tab samhal lega be? Whichever clueless cow thinks Bangladesh should be incorporated is the greatest enemy of the nation.

We are not taking the whole area. Just the areas we want and push the Muslims out and keep the Hindus in.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

We are not taking the whole area. Just the areas we want and push the Muslims out and keep the Hindus in.

If only it was this simple

 

[Tshering22]

For all you know this Headley was a CIA jihadi and 26/11 was greenlit by the owners of the Pakis sitting in DC.
Knowing Congress was an utterly cockless govt and nobody would suffer any consequences.

Upon further analysis of the events of 26/11, it appears increasingly plausible that it may have served as a strategic assessment by the US to gauge India's vulnerability. Recognizing what was perceived as a weakened government within the erstwhile Secular and corrupt UPA government, the US likely sought to directly influence the functioning of the Indian government.

As the UPA administration became consumed by its own developmental ambitions, possibly stemming from the groundwork laid by the preceding ABV government, the US may have utilized Pakistan to test their influence. This is evidenced by the FBI's refusal to accede to India's request to access and interrogate Headley, despite the majority of the attack victims being Indian citizens, a decision that remains inexplicable.

The scrutiny of the 9/11 incident, which suggested its potential orchestration to usher in the era of the "Forever War," is an illumination that may only fully unfold in the ensuing decades.

The American Deep State looms as a formidable and insidious adversary, enshrouded in intricate layers and fortified by a labyrinth of secure funding sources.

Pakistan stands as a mere extension of the enduring Anglo-American experiment in the post-War era, engineered to ensnare ostensibly "independent" nations in a web of conflicting ideologies with their immediate neighbors or rivals, thereby enabling dominance over such a tumultuous global order.

In contrast, the Chinese geopolitical maneuvers pale in comparison to the nefarious machinations of the Anglo Globalist agenda.