India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

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[pankaj nema]

In the Nineties Kashmir situation was brought under control by Dare Devils who didn't care for their lives

Today we are anguished by lives lost in Poonch but we had to sacrifice several Hundred soldiers every year in the 90s

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

In the Nineties Kashmir situation was brought under control by Dare Devils who didn't care for their lives

Today we are anguished by lives lost in Poonch but we had to sacrifice several Hundred soldiers every year in the 90s

At that time we did not have BPV, NVG, proper rifles, no aerial recon capability, no armoured cars. Thus we came across the loss of jawans.

But today things are different we can have BPV, NVG, rifles, drones to do recon and availability of armoured cars. But still IA forgot to upgrade them and loosing men.

 

[pankaj nema]

At that time we did not have BPV, NVG, proper rifles, no aerial recon capability, no armoured cars. Thus we came across the loss of jawans.

But today things are different we can have BPV, NVG, rifles, drones to do recon and availability of armoured cars. But still IA forgot to upgrade them and loosing men.

You are Right , But that BRIGADIER whom I quoted does have a Point

Pakistan sent their Men on Suicide missions , But our Men fought them with More passion and Determination, without any hesitation

It was a Situation of Men Killing Men without any Fear for their lives

Ultimately Pakistan ran out of Men willing to die for their cause

Look.at the Casualties till 2005

41,000 deaths in 27 years: The anatomy of Kashmir militancy in numbers

Militancy in Kashmir has constantly derailed ties between India and Pakistan. HT looked at the latest available government data to anyalse the deaths and patterns of violence in Kashmir in the past 27 years.

www.google.com

Annual Fatalities in violence by terrorist

www.satp.org

 

[Jimih]

Me was right

India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

Hellfire still doged the question tho. It's not the first time folks have died due to lack of Armour in the vehicle. Ita 2023 and we can build vehicle of every requirement, it should be possible to build vehicle the Size or gypsies that can incorporate Armour. We will have a mileage of 5 but at...

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[Inderjeet Singh]

At that time we did not have BPV, NVG, proper rifles, no aerial recon capability, no armoured cars. Thus we came across the loss of jawans.

But today things are different we can have BPV, NVG, rifles, drones to do recon and availability of armoured cars. But still IA forgot to upgrade them and loosing men.

There are hundred ways to save soldiers lives but not government nor army care about it

 

[maximus777]

There are hundred ways to save soldiers lives but not government nor army care about it

Not unless they have skin in the game! How many kids of jernails and MPs serve in active combat roles?

 

[Kumaoni]

In the Nineties Kashmir situation was brought under control by Dare Devils who didn't care for their lives

Today we are anguished by lives lost in Poonch but we had to sacrifice several Hundred soldiers every year in the 90s

yeah but they killed several thousand terrorist.

it was a pure infantry vs infantry war.

 

[patriots]

 

[Kumaoni]

At that time we did not have BPV, NVG, proper rifles, no aerial recon capability, no armoured cars. Thus we came across the loss of jawans.

But today things are different we can have BPV, NVG, rifles, drones to do recon and availability of armoured cars. But still IA forgot to upgrade them and loosing men.

they had the monocular nvg, the same one they use today

but yeah ia operations were purely textbook by the foot, against enemies with similar levels of firepower, purely infantry conflict.

 

[Jimih]

No one. Just to blackout Imran Khan's online speech.

 

[Bleh]

You the same typa dude to claim kargil was a failure but you don’t know why it was a failure.

No

Maybe explain how it’s a pathetic failure?

You know where he mentioned how Pakistanis seem to have a idea on how that 27th was clear victory for them?.. No Paki has the idea on 1971. You know why?

Because instead of taking the opportunity to maul there Air force by downing dozen of their jets ambushing an attack predicted by almost everyone, we got ourselves outnumbered & donated jet for them to make monuments off it's parts. They were aggressive enough to break protocols and shoot BVRs and our greatest achievement was jamming their missiles & getting back our POW.

I remember seeing the international community talking about it online. 100% of it was Indians being meek and incompetent, backing down after losing a jet then making facesaving claims to have downed an F-16 whose crash-site we couldn't find by satellite imagery (because it doesn't exist) & shooting down a friendly aircraft hundred miles inside our own border. It's not even a "valiant defense" because Pakis never intended to commit to an engagement, just lobbed BVRs & glide-bombs from far away.
Actually a US Navy pilot commented that if India hadn't responded in any way or scrambled a single fighter, the outcomes would've been BETTER for us... they'd not have an air-2-air kill or an Indian Wing Commander to parade around & there would've not been a friendly-fire loss of Indian heli.

That's how...

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

No

You know where he mentioned how Pakistanis seem to have a idea on how that 27th was clear victory for them?.. No Paki has the idea on 1971. You know why?

Because instead of taking the opportunity to maul there Air force by downing dozen of their jets ambushing an attack predicted by almost everyone, we got ourselves outnumbered & donated jet for them to make monuments off it's parts. They were aggressive enough to break protocols and shoot BVRs and our greatest achievement was jamming their missiles & getting back our POW.

I remember seeing the international community talking about it online. 100% of it was Indians being meek and incompetent, backing down after losing a jet then making facesaving claims to have downed an F-16 whose crash-site we couldn't find by satellite imagery (because it doesn't exist) & shooting down a friendly aircraft hundred miles inside our own border. It's not even a "valiant defense" because Pakis never intended to commit to an engagement, just lobbed BVRs & glide-bombs from far away.
Actually a US Navy pilot commented that if India hadn't responded in any way or scrambled a single fighter, the outcomes would've been BETTER for us... they'd not have an air-2-air kill or an Indian Wing Commander to parade around & there would've not been a friendly-fire loss of Indian heli.

That's how...

Pakis are equally incompetent and didnt gain anything despite having full control of the situation at one point in time.

They panicked over a Mig 21 and shot down their own aircraft in a friendly kill…its just stupid and shows how actually brave they are as they claim to be

Then they missed the bombs even though they claimed they intentionally didnt aim at the brigade headquarters but it was later proven over a recorded phone call that they indeed missed the headquarters

IAF was totally caught pants down on the next day of balakote but PAF with so much planning and favourable situation couldnt do shit either.

I would still give it to IaF as this was indeed a pants down moment..if IAF was in PAFs situation that day i think the outcome could have been very different to what PAF got.

 

[Bleh]

Pakis are equally incompetent and didnt gain anything despite having full control of the situation at one point in time.

They panicked over a Mig 21 and shot down their own aircraft in a friendly kill…its just stupid and shows how actually brave they are as they claim to be

Then they missed the bombs even though they claimed they intentionally didnt aim at the brigade headquarters but it was later proven over a recorded phone call that they indeed missed the headquarters

IAF was totally caught pants down on the next day of balakote but PAF with so much planning and favourable situation couldnt do shit either.

I would still give it to IaF as this was indeed a pants down moment..if IAF was in PAFs situation that day i think the outcome could have been very different to what PAF got.

Oh I don't disagree on a single of these points... More is the tragedy of such a lost opportunity. Still it can be said that PAF didn't get a long time to plan will under pressure to react, but for us nobody didn't see that counterattack coming (other than IAF apparently).

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Oh I don't disagree on a single of these points... More is the tragedy of such a lost opportunity. Still it can be said that PAF didn't get a long time to plan will under pressure to react, but for us nobody didn't see that counterattack coming (other than IAF apparently).

Ideal situation would have been 7-8 paf jets shot down to the loss of 2-3 of ours mostly migs not sukhois and the counter attack would be to take down their airbase with Brahmos.

But that never happened..we can take care of pakis..i am worried about chinese.

 

[Kumaoni]

No

You know where he mentioned how Pakistanis seem to have a idea on how that 27th was clear victory for them?.. No Paki has the idea on 1971. You know why?

Because instead of taking the opportunity to maul there Air force by downing dozen of their jets ambushing an attack predicted by almost everyone, we got ourselves outnumbered & donated jet for them to make monuments off it's parts. They were aggressive enough to break protocols and shoot BVRs and our greatest achievement was jamming their missiles & getting back our POW.

I remember seeing the international community talking about it online. 100% of it was Indians being meek and incompetent, backing down after losing a jet then making facesaving claims to have downed an F-16 whose crash-site we couldn't find by satellite imagery (because it doesn't exist) & shooting down a friendly aircraft hundred miles inside our own border. It's not even a "valiant defense" because Pakis never intended to commit to an engagement, just lobbed BVRs & glide-bombs from far away.
Actually a US Navy pilot commented that if India hadn't responded in any way or scrambled a single fighter, the outcomes would've been BETTER for us... they'd not have an air-2-air kill or an Indian Wing Commander to parade around & there would've not been a friendly-fire loss of Indian heli.

That's how...

The air battle was still a stalemate despite the PAF having a huge number. Sure, they managed to bring large numbers, but what exactly could they do with those numbers? Zilch. They missed all their targets, and ran away at the sight of one MiG21! That’s how “brave” they really are.

What coulda shoulda woulda happened is irrevelvant. Did the IAF make mistakes? Absolutely! By your logic, 1965 and 1971 was a failure because IA should’ve occupied more land in West Pak. The IAF definitely should be held responsible for not being ready for Operation Swift Retort, but by no means does this entail a “pathetic failure” because the only thing the enemy gained was a single shoot down and a pilot to chest thump their inflated egos. That whole conflict had zero strategic benefit for pakistan, but for India, let’s just say Pulwama tier attack hasn’t happened in Kashmir for a while now.

Anyway, lastly international community opinions are laughable to use. The fact are the fact in that the IAF made huge mistakes on Feb 27, more like not being prepared for Operation Swift retort at all.

 

[Kumaoni]

Pakis are equally incompetent and didnt gain anything despite having full control of the situation at one point in time.

They panicked over a Mig 21 and shot down their own aircraft in a friendly kill…its just stupid and shows how actually brave they are as they claim to be

Then they missed the bombs even though they claimed they intentionally didnt aim at the brigade headquarters but it was later proven over a recorded phone call that they indeed missed the headquarters

IAF was totally caught pants down on the next day of balakote but PAF with so much planning and favourable situation couldnt do shit either.

I would still give it to IaF as this was indeed a pants down moment..if IAF was in PAFs situation that day i think the outcome could have been very different to what PAF got.

The whole reason PAF fails and will fail is that they genuinely believe they are “martial superior” to the “vegetarian hindus” of india. This level of deluded thinking explains their lack of any success in conflicts.

 

[Bleh]

The air battle was still a stalemate despite the PAF having a huge number. Sure, they managed to bring large numbers, but what exactly could they do with those numbers? Zilch. They missed all their targets, and ran away at the sight of one MiG21! That’s how “brave” they really are.

What coulda shoulda woulda happened is irrevelvant. Did the IAF make mistakes? Absolutely! By your logic, 1965 and 1971 was a failure because IA should’ve occupied more land in West Pak. The IAF definitely should be held responsible for not being ready for Operation Swift Retort, but by no means does this entail a “pathetic failure” because the only thing the enemy gained was a single shoot down and a pilot to chest thump their inflated egos. That whole conflict had zero strategic benefit for pakistan, but for India, let’s just say Pulwama tier attack hasn’t happened in Kashmir for a while now.

Anyway, lastly international community opinions are laughable to use. The fact are the fact in that the IAF made huge mistakes on Feb 27, more like not being prepared for Operation Swift retort at all.

There were no operational objectives in the 1st place... The battle was to dominate narrative & India lost.

 

[rkhanna]

The air battle was still a stalemate despite the PAF having a huge number

Stalemate means India failed. We had the time, knowledge and means to come out on top.



Losers whine about their best.... Winners go home and f*ck the prom queen.

lets move on from this.

 

[Jimih]