India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

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"UN-designated global terrorist organisation" vs "informal group"

💀 sheeit man ... , waah , what a loop hole. "informal group" with m4s
Jaish is an official organisation with an official headquarter in pakistan, just like other such "tanzeems" in pakistan. Is PAFF some organisation? Its just some informal group terrorists with some social media accounts and weapons.
 

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Ninda ji also met troops and commanders trying to balance the situation and do jabaani marham-patti on the forces.
Need to see how does the case proceed ! Irrespective of the IA's external posturing of being in sync with the GoI, the CoAS may have apprised the RM of the mood within the army w.r.t the spate of killings across this year. The entire issue of prosecuting the culprits could well be a case of eyewash.
 

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Issue was not the skirmish. One MiG-21 loss and one PoW is understandable .
Main issue was no retaliatory strike later.
Not really. It was a missed opportunity to neuter PAF. We should have had a dozen kills that day considering it was day after Balakot and IAF was apparently at its highest alert. Maybe then sacrificing a Mig21 and Mi17 would have been worth the price. My gripe is with IAF's preparedness on that day with "highest alert" status and all - how the eff can you let a strike package of 24 planes go unmolested?!? Nothing that the IAF did that day inspires confidence!! :facepalm:
 

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Not really. It was a missed opportunity to neuter PAF. We should have had a dozen kills that day considering it was day after Balakot and IAF was apparently at its highest alert. Maybe then sacrificing a Mig21 and Mi17 would have been worth the price. My gripe is with IAF's preparedness on that day with "highest alert" status and all - how the eff can you let a strike package of 24 planes go unmolested?!? Nothing that the IAF did that day inspires confidence!! :facepalm:
Both Indian and Paki airforces that day proved that they are all talk and no substance.

only place they roar is on youtube.

friendly kills on both sides and panic..just panicked reactions.

lucky we dont have a european or American adversary.
 

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Not really. It was a missed opportunity to neuter PAF. We should have had a dozen kills that day considering it was day after Balakot and IAF was apparently at its highest alert. Maybe then sacrificing a Mig21 and Mi17 would have been worth the price. My gripe is with IAF's preparedness on that day with "highest alert" status and all - how the eff can you let a strike package of 24 planes go unmolested?!? Nothing that the IAF did that day inspires confidence!! :facepalm:
Well, problem is we are judging our entire AF by a battle (not even an skirmish) which lasted ~5 mins. 24 planes did not intrude inside our territory, they kept a huge margin and shot BVRs & loitering munitions instead.

Pakistan broke SOPs and shot BVRs at us which was unprecedented till that time, and got us surprised for few minutes on how to react, which was exploited by Pakistan. Abhinandan's idiocracy is a different story which couldn't have been factored into normal planning.

Both Indian and Paki airforces that day proved that they are all talk and no substance.

only place they roar is on youtube.

friendly kills on both sides and panic..just panicked reactions.

lucky we dont have a european or American adversary.
Its a myth that Western forces are more competent. US & Israel yes, because they are constantly at conflict and keeping their blades sharp. Any European AF without US coordination & air cover will be just same.
 

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Both Indian and Paki airforces that day proved that they are all talk and no substance.

only place they roar is on youtube.

friendly kills on both sides and panic..just panicked reactions.

lucky we dont have a european or American adversary.
We do have Chinese as adversary and they do posses partial Soviet like capability of saturation attacks. If PAF sent 24 jets and overwhelmed us. Think about ideas chinese got from that.
 

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We do have Chinese as adversary and they do posses partial Soviet like capability of saturation attacks. If PAF sent 24 jets and overwhelmed us. Think about ideas chinese got from that.
I know bro….one day the bubble will burst with this attitude.
We did not get overwhelmed. 2x Su-30MKI & 2x M-2000s kept at bay diversionary + strike package of 24 PAF jets, and 4x Mig-21 ORPs basically chased the package away.

But I understand embracing negative emotions instead of reality, keep on the RR 👍
 

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We did not get overwhelmed. 2x Su-30MKI & 2x M-2000s kept at bay diversionary + strike package of 24 PAF jets, and 4x Mig-21 ORPs basically chased the package away.

But I understand embracing negative emotions instead of reality, keep on the RR 👍
Mist Overwhelming : coz panic reaction led to loss of our asset. F-16s took first shot aim at Su's , ARe SU's were not able to. Chinese again shall have first shoot advantage until we integrate and induct ASTRA MK2/METEOR with our Air superiority fleet.

Overwhelming for public and govt also because we did not see any reaction for the attack as we too -panicked over PoW.
 

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