India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

[mist_consecutive]

No point reasoning with closet commies. Just let them get deployed in kashmir to met their bhai bhai muslim brothers

Nah, he is just a bit misguided. He is my good friend on DFI.

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Seems like herders were possibly directly working with militants.

 

[mist_consecutive]

I Dont know what India is achieving with the Ceasefire at LOC ????

Ceasefire always works in favor of Pakhana.

And this time also proved so, why India gets drawn into this quatiapa.

TTP & BLA is lighting up in West, why give them respite in East ???

This is beyond my comprehension.

Can anybody explain this foolishness on part of India.

Ceasefire helps both sides in different ways. Arguably it helps us more untill now.

Lets remember our pre-ceasefire days -

• Weekly casaulties to Army manning the border. Yes, we hit back but in the battle of attrition do you really want to lose good soliders for few pakistani goatshaggers ?
  
  
• BAT attacks, snipers, beheadings/mutiliations were common. These keeps soldiers on their toe all the time, leading to high stress levels & PSTD. Not a ideal thing to continue on a long run. We are essentially on a slow war all the time.
  
  
• Infiltration attempt rate and success rate both was higher. Its easy to infiltrate when Pakistani posts are pinning down our soldiers with MG & Mortar fire. Sometimes these infiltrators carried our cross-border attacks and then infiltrated after neutralizing our sentries.
  
  
• Constant civilian displacement & death due to CFVs, which made our borders essentially deserted. Look at any satellite map.

Now, after the ceasefire -

• We got time & space to build anti-infiltration grid & plug the gaps. Leading to lower infiltration rates and higher kill/death ratio during infiltration attempts for our soldiers.
  
  
• Better quality of life for our soldiers on border. It might be hard to imagine sitting at your comfort of your home but this is a big, big improvement.
  
  
• We got time to build border infrastructure & bunkers for civilians. In future, if we decide to start border firing, we will have better infra to back it up.

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That being said, we can give the cease fire for a toss now and start the guns roaring.

 

[another_armchair]

Arey OGW's? Can't believe my eyes. Impaaasibleeee. There must be some mistake. Endyan army brutal, ruthless & unprofessional vro... local population veli angli.. Endyan almy suffered casualties cause of pathetic sop... they deserved to die but these bullies went and killed innocent civilians vrooo.. they won't share any more intel vrooo.

^These are serving men/kids of ex-servicemen. LMFAO.

Pathetic jealous low lives who probably couldn't make it past SSB screening keep venting it out day in and day out.

 

[Ugra Bhairav]

Ceasefire helps both sides in different ways. Arguably it helps us more untill now.

Lets remember our pre-ceasefire days -

• Weekly casaulties to Army manning the border. Yes, we hit back but in the battle of attrition do you really want to lose good soliders for few pakistani goatshaggers ?
  
  
• BAT attacks, snipers, beheadings/mutiliations were common. These keeps soldiers on their toe all the time, leading to high stress levels & PSTD. Not a ideal thing to continue on a long run. We are essentially on a slow war all the time.
  
  
• Infiltration attempt rate and success rate both was higher. Its easy to infiltrate when Pakistani posts are pinning down our soldiers with MG & Mortar fire. Sometimes these infiltrators carried our cross-border attacks and then infiltrated after neutralizing our sentries.
  
  
• Constant civilian displacement & death due to CFVs, which made our borders essentially deserted. Look at any satellite map.

Now, after the ceasefire -

• We got time & space to build anti-infiltration grid & plug the gaps. Leading to lower infiltration rates and higher kill/death ratio during infiltration attempts for our soldiers.
  
  
• Better quality of life for our soldiers on border. It might be hard to imagine sitting at your comfort of your home but this is a big, big improvement.
  
  
• We got time to build border infrastructure & bunkers for civilians. In future, if we decide to start border firing, we will have better infra to back it up.

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That being said, we can give the cease fire for a toss now and start the guns roaring.

What has specifically changed after 2009 ??????

 

[mist_consecutive]

Hope not another fake intel ambush.

 

[another_armchair]

Hope not another fake intel ambush.

Send J&KP+SOG to verify first and establish contact. Then move the Army.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Send J&KP+SOG to verify first and establish contact. Then move the Army.

They will drink Kahwa with the terrorists and report back nothing suspicious was found.

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[Jimih]

They will drink Kahwa with the terrorists and report back nothing suspicious was found.

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Wasnt a retired J&K police SP shot dead few days ago?

 

[another_armchair]

They will drink Kahwa with the terrorists and report back nothing suspicious was found.

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J&KP suffered quite a few casualties during the post Burhan Wani violence flare up.

Not in this sector though.

 

[nongaddarliberal]

PAFF needs culling. I don't care what it takes to do it, I hope that we can impale their bodies on lard-smeared poles from their rear to their mouths. That would send a chilling message of not to fck around with us.

Spit roast a few of them and leave their fried corpses with the pole for the PAFF to find out what happens - terror has to be fought with terror. If the US backs them directly or indirectly, let go of the holding out on BRICS and press full steam ahead.

No compromise on terrorism.

There is no PAFF. That's just LeT and JeM's SM handle. Don't fall for the language op.

 

[FalconSlayers]

They will drink Kahwa with the terrorists and report back nothing suspicious was found.

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PAFF doesn't target JKP, but TRF does. Let's not delve into that fiction.

 

[mist_consecutive]

What has specifically changed after 2009 ??????

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Why not pull out the entire, original table ?

datasheet-terrorist-attack-fatalities

2019 - Surgical strike, Article 370 trash.

Thereafter, clear downward trend of casaulties of Armed forces & civilians. Low casaulty to terrorists in recent 2023 due to change in tactics.

 

[EarthCitizen]

Will Pakistan become a member of BRICS by January 1, 2024? If yes, should India remain a part of it, considering the increase in terrorist attacks in Jammu and Kashmir?

 

[Ugra Bhairav]

Why not pull out the entire, original table ?

datasheet-terrorist-attack-fatalities

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2019 - Surgical strike, Article 370 trash.

Thereafter, clear downward trend of casaulties of Armed forces & civilians. Low casaulty to terrorists in recent 2023 due to change in tactics.

This dont prove anything. This is just, Better implementation of Security & Law & Order to implement Abrogation of Article 370.

THis is not specifically out of Ceasefire agreement but mostly due to Security measures on the Ground.

And now as far as infiltration are concerned we are now back to square one.

Infiltration and Attacks will keep on happening at the will of Porkistan, we are not able to secure borders because the terrain dont support fool proof security.

This situation will keep on recurring untill, we push porkistan upto other side of Jhelum River.

Till then there is no meaning of ceasefire we will keep on playing in hands of porkistan.

And to counter that only solution is keep thrashing porkistan.

 

[Jimih]

Will Pakistan become a member of BRICS by January 1, 2024? If yes, should India remain a part of it, considering the increase in terrorist attacks in Jammu and Kashmir?

Option of Veto is attached to founding members.

 

[mist_consecutive]

This dont prove anything. This is just, Better implementation of Security & Law & Order to implement Abrogation of Article 370.

THis is not specifically out of Ceasefire agreement but mostly due to Security measures on the Ground.

And now as far as infiltration are concerned we are now back to square one.

Infiltration and Attacks will keep on happening at the will of Porkistan, we are not able to secure borders because the terrain dont support fool proof security.

Well you were the one who first pulled up data & charts to prove something, now you are backtracking that the same data doesn't makes sense, ok

This situation will keep on recurring untill, we push porkistan upto other side of Jhelum River.

Till then there is no meaning of ceasefire we will keep on playing in hands of porkistan.

And to counter that only solution is keep thrashing porkistan.

People advocate thrashing porkis as if it is a timid street dog. Nope, it is rabid, bites nastily, and strapped with a suicide vest. Moreover its masters are more than happy to needle us whatever way possible.

Pushing Pakistan upto Jhelum, taking back PoK etc, etc., is all loose talk. Max we can do is some cross border strikes, isolated airstrikes and hope Pakistan doesn't takes them seriously and escalates.

 

[mokoman]

based raksha mantri , real tweet .

now he just has to see through that cross border raid , bring back some TRF heads

This dont prove anything. This is just, Better implementation of Security & Law & Order to implement Abrogation of Article 370.

THis is not specifically out of Ceasefire agreement but mostly due to Security measures on the Ground.

And now as far as infiltration are concerned we are now back to square one.

Infiltration and Attacks will keep on happening at the will of Porkistan, we are not able to secure borders because the terrain dont support fool proof security.

This situation will keep on recurring untill, we push porkistan upto other side of Jhelum River.

Till then there is no meaning of ceasefire we will keep on playing in hands of porkistan.

And to counter that only solution is keep thrashing porkistan.

cross border shelling is zero since cease fire . if nothing else frankly good for people living at border .

we will never try to take back anything - POK , or any river bank or pt 5353 or anything , best not live in fantasy

 

[Ugra Bhairav]

Well you were the one who first pulled up data & charts to prove something, now you are backtracking that the same data doesn't makes sense, ok

Read it again the question stands as it is.

What is the gain of Ceasefire???

The things are back to square one.

I Dont know what India is achieving with the Ceasefire at LOC ????

Ceasefire always works in favor of Pakhana.

And this time also proved so, why India gets drawn into this quatiapa.

TTP & BLA is lighting up in West, why give them respite in East ???

This is beyond my comprehension.

Can anybody explain this foolishness on part of India.

People advocate thrashing porkis as if it is a timid street dog. Nope, it is rabid, bites nastily, and strapped with a suicide vest. Moreover its masters are more than happy to needle us whatever way possible.

Better then loosing your men in your own territory and getting bleed down with thousand cut.

Pushing Pakistan upto Jhelum, taking back PoK etc, etc., is all loose talk. Max we can do is some cross border strikes, isolated airstrikes and hope Pakistan doesn't takes them seriously and escalates.

This is the only permanent solution. Until that is achieved be on offensive, bcs offense is best defence.

Just imagine What Pork would have been if India been in pork's position.

 

[AnantS]

I Dont know what India is achieving with the Ceasefire at LOC ????.

helps in conc troops at china border.

 

[Kumaoni]

Well you were the one who first pulled up data & charts to prove something, now you are backtracking that the same data doesn't makes sense, ok



People advocate thrashing porkis as if it is a timid street dog. Nope, it is rabid, bites nastily, and strapped with a suicide vest. Moreover its masters are more than happy to needle us whatever way possible.

Pushing Pakistan upto Jhelum, taking back PoK etc, etc., is all loose talk. Max we can do is some cross border strikes, isolated airstrikes and hope Pakistan doesn't takes them seriously and escalates.

Your charts show one thing: Cas ratio is the same if not slightly lower against less insurgents and more importantly less battle hardened insurgents