India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

[Sehwag231]

I always wondered why we can’t do reverse Kargil? We ever tried one?

Because if things go south, Govt of the day will fall.

 

[Tridev123]

If this news is true then good.
The Pak Army establishment would not like instability in their Punjab province.
An attack on the top constitutional authority, the CM is serious. What message does it send to the people of Pak Punjab.
Even the CM is not safe.

Hope there will be more follow up attacks in Pak Punjab to pile on the pressure.

 

[Cheran]

Sometimes I really feel ki inn chutiyo ke paas itna confidence aata kaha se hai? Baatein aisi karte hai ki agli subah kashmir fateh karlenge, lekin karte aakhir me naach gaana hi hai ISPR studios me.

There are chaps who claim that 71 was a victory.

Nothing other than a full public humiliation/decimation will give them a jolt, which after some time they will claim as a victory.

"Cover ops", "strategic signalling", "display of intent", "posturing" etc will do nothing to their sense of "Honor" & "Dignity". Full public humiliation via a debilitating military blow & decimation might to a certain extent.

 

[Tridev123]

If this news is true then good.
The Pak Army establishment would not like instability in their Punjab province.
An attack on the top constitutional authority, the CM is serious. What message does it send to the people of Pak Punjab.
Even the CM is not safe.

Hope there will be more follow up attacks in Pak Punjab to pile on the pressure.

A few suggestions for action in Pak Punjab.
Assassinations of top police officers, leaders of political parties and specifically the assassination of a popular Sunni religious leader by a Shia gunman.

The enraged Sunnis should come out on the streets to protest the killing. Controlling the Sunni crowds will not be too easy. Pak Punjab has a large Shia population. Believe it is around 20%.

 

[doreamon]

I always wondered why we can’t do reverse Kargil? We ever tried one?

operation meghdoot 1984 cld be somewht close ... we took controll of siachen glacier . But that was reaction to paki establishment plan to do the same ....

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

A few suggestions for action in Pak Punjab.
Assassinations of top police officers, leaders of political parties and specifically the assassination of a popular Sunni religious leader by a Shia gunman.

The enraged Sunnis should come out on the streets to protest the killing. Controlling the Sunni crowds will not be too easy. Pak Punjab has a large Shia population. Believe it is around 20%.

And then Kaffir Kaffir shia Kaffir.

 

[DEV1729]

Karnail RAWjesh at work?

These were working for russian services .
Earlier us caught some porki mlecchas providing info to russians.

Redirect Notice

IHC hearing brings forth case of spying network

FIA arrests nine persons working at the defence production ministry for stealing, selling secret information.

www.dawn.com

They were folks in chinese desk for procuring chinese military products for pak defence services and were providing info to russian .

 

[JBH22]

I always wondered why we can’t do reverse Kargil? We ever tried one?

Wasn't capture of Siachen Glacier the prelude to Kargil plan.. so as per Pakistani view we initiated the first kargil type op.

 

[Tridev123]

And then Kaffir Kaffir shia Kaffir.

Yes, the idea is to create a serious law and order problem in Pak Punjab province.
The protests by the Sunni extremist groups will start with the place of the killing and then spread to other cities and towns in PP. Revenge attacks on the Shia religious leaders will start and the cycle of violence will be set in motion.

Initially the administration would use the regular police to try to control the situation, then bring in the paramilitary forces. As the violence becomes widespread the Army may be called in as a last resort.

From Pak Punjab it may spread to Karachi the financial centre of Pakistan. Karachi has seen many Shia-Sunni riots in the past. A shutdown there will affect the economy.

This is visualisation of an ideal situation. Everything may not go exactly as planned. But the Pak Army will be hard pressed to control the trouble.

 

[Mikel]

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

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[Sarjen]

Two options:

1) India is capable of low intensity warfare which will bankrupt Pakistan in 6 months and increase internal unrest to dangerous level.

2) Swift war before nuclear clash, occupy important regions inside paksitan, basically breaks the backbone of Pakistan.

You think they're not aware of what that would do to them ???? Do you think if Chinese do the same for us would we wait and watch and let them Bankrupt us???? Everyone has their contingency plans, Don't ever think we can do this and that. it doesn't work... If Pakistan escalates along with the support of China, then its the other way around.

 

[Sarjen]

Bruh typical "Pakistan has nukes bro" response, I suggest you to read up about what Pakistan did in wargames conducted in USA with their nukes, read about actions that one can take under the Nuclear threshold, function of the Mountain Strike Corps and the Pivot Corps.
The question isn't about nukes it is about the intent(as you pointed out) and things that one will have to do after the ops, for that a Bangladesh kind of situation has to be created and even with that it is going to be hard.

What would you do when this escalates into IB ??? from 1949s they've been planning against an invasion, with Nukes in hand, any Indian plans of thrusting into POK is nullified.

As pointed out ny another user, Yes.... LoC will one day become IB, Period... Don't ignore the chinese.. they're here to make sure India doesn't go that way... and Militarily no.... India can't complete the invasion.

 

[DownWithCCP]

What would you do when this escalates into IB ??? from 1949s they've been planning against an invasion, with Nukes in hand, any Indian plans of thrusting into POK is nullified.

As pointed out ny another user, Yes.... LoC will one day become IB, Period... Don't ignore the chinese.. they're here to make sure India doesn't go that way... and Militarily no.... India can't complete the invasion.

Bruh the entire point is to engage in the IB itself and not tire yourself in the mountains, huge swaths of land can be taken over in the plains along the IB, the Mountain strike Corps will capture important peaks and passes but the major thrust will be along the IB only then can India present a fait accompli which will force Pakistan to come to the table for Quid-pro-Quo of territories gained, and will Pakistan stay quiet? No it may certainly have some small and some major victories here and there which can be dealt with in the negotiating table. Can all this be achieved under the Nuclear threshold? Yep Many are of the opinion that it can be done but it has to be extremely short and swift.
The offer to Pakistan will be simple, return of territories along IB for GB/PoK.

 

[DownWithCCP]

Bruh the entire point is to engage in the IB itself and not tire yourself in the mountains, huge swaths of land can be taken over in the plains along the IB, the Mountain strike Corps will capture important peaks and passes but the major thrust will be along the IB only then can India present a fait accompli which will force Pakistan to come to the table for Quid-pro-Quo of territories gained, and will Pakistan stay quiet? No it may certainly have some small and some major victories here and there which can be dealt with in the negotiating table. Can all this be achieved under the Nuclear threshold? Yep Many are of the opinion that it can be done but it has to be extremely short and swift.
The offer to Pakistan will be simple, return of territories along IB for GB/PoK.

And before you repeat the same things that you did earlier, it is of wide opinion that these scenarios have been wargamed by the Indian defense establishment and I am not talking out of my ass, maybe I got the details wrong but scenarios such as this have been envisioned.
A joint China-Pak collusion, contrary to public opinion is very unlikely because history tells us time and time again when opportunities for such collusion arose it did not happen, what happened in 2020(April-May) is also a testament to this view. There wasn't a lot of movement along the Western borders at around the same time, and even afterwards, when the Chinese brought their Mechanised infantry from the depths to the LAC.
That is not to say that there is no collusion happening b/w these two, there is but it is limited to sub-conventional warfare through terrorism.

 

[Sarjen]

Bruh the entire point is to engage in the IB itself and not tire yourself in the mountains, huge swaths of land can be taken over in the plains along the IB, the Mountain strike Corps will capture important peaks and passes but the major thrust will be along the IB only then can India present a fait accompli which will force Pakistan to come to the table for Quid-pro-Quo of territories gained, and will Pakistan stay quiet? No it may certainly have some small and some major victories here and there which can be dealt with in the negotiating table. Can all this be achieved under the Nuclear threshold? Yep Many are of the opinion that it can be done but it has to be extremely short and swift.
The offer to Pakistan will be simple, return of territories along IB for GB/PoK.

So to capture a disputed territory, You'll thrust into IB !!!! and to say this doesn't escalate into full blown war is crazy!!!???

Don't you think they've not calculated in the mountain strike corps???

I Praise your Nationalism, but don't believe in everything you hear...militarily no it's not possible to gain those territory under nuclear threshold. and what are going to preach to world for IB intrusion ??? terrorist's attacks ??

 

[Marliii]

So to capture a disputed territory, You'll thrust into IB !!!! and to say this doesn't escalate into full blown war is crazy!!!???

Don't you think they've not calculated in the mountain strike corps???

I Praise your Nationalism, but don't believe in everything you hear...militarily no it's not possible to gain those territory under nuclear threshold. and what are going to preach to world for IB intrusion ??? terrorist's attacks ??

Only idiots would believe porks would try the nuclear button for POK

 

[Sarjen]

And before you repeat the same things that you did earlier, it is of wide opinion that these scenarios have been wargamed by the Indian defense establishment and I am not talking out of my ass, maybe I got the details wrong but scenarios such as this have been envisioned.
A joint China-Pak collusion, contrary to public opinion is very unlikely because history tells us time and time again when opportunities for such collusion arose it did not happen, what happened in 2020(April-May) is also a testament to this view. There wasn't a lot of movement along the Western borders at around the same time, and even afterwards, when the Chinese brought their Mechanised infantry from the depths to the LAC.
That is not to say that there is no collusion happening b/w these two, there is but it is limited to sub-conventional warfare through terrorism.

History and Present are not the Same, in 65, 71.. China's relation is not how it is today, Pakistan let China invest heavily in Pakistan is having a big reason, beyond you can imagine... Some fan boys can keep say Pakistan is becoming a Client state of China, but that made sure China always backs Pakistan and Secure CPEC.

 

[Sarjen]

Only idiots would believe porks would try the nuclear button for POK

ya, you thrust into IB what choices they've...

Only idiots would believe India would use MAD for tactical nukes..