India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

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Kashmiris are essentially frogs in a well. Isolating from mainland India will validate the two-state theory and flame the Kashmiri "separate-state" theory even more.

If we are not taking extreme steps like China, then the only way forward is economic development & connectivity with India which makes them forget if not reject Islamist extremism, anti-Kafir mentality.
Itne saalon se itni bhari sabsidy di ja rahi hai tab ye bharat ke na huye ab kya honge..
 

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Itne saalon se itni bhari sabsidy di ja rahi hai tab ye bharat ke na huye ab kya honge..
Konse cheez me subsidy bhai ? Doling out freebies doesn't make you pro-govt., just makes you ungrateful and think you deserve it.

We give so many freebies to farmers (in Punjab), do you think they care? They think they are fucking heroes and they deserve it.

Also, you cannot change life trauma within one generation. The current generation of Kashmiris grew up seeing violence & police brutality, unaware of the crimes their parents committed which made them deserve it.
 

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Konse cheez me subsidy bhai ? Doling out freebies doesn't make you pro-govt., just makes you ungrateful and think you deserve it.

We give so many freebies to farmers (in Punjab), do you think they care? They think they are fucking heroes and they deserve it.

Also, you cannot change life trauma within one generation. The current generation of Kashmiris grew up seeing violence & police brutality, unaware of the crimes their parents committed which made them deserve it.
Police Brutality???? `Really????
 

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Kashmiris are essentially frogs in a well. Isolating from mainland India will validate the two-state theory and flame the Kashmiri "separate-state" theory even more.

If we are not taking extreme steps like China, then the only way forward is economic development & connectivity with India which makes them forget if not reject Islamist extremism, anti-Kafir mentality.
but we also need to punish them and show them that their efforts of coercion and threats will not work.
 

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The stats above does not show the kill ratio , i.e for x no. of yahoos 72'd how many of ours attained veergati.
So we cannot draw information on whether IA's tactics improved or remained same
It has gotten worse.

The average kill ratio for the army was between 5:1 and 6:1 in the 90s and early 2000s (only army NOT including paramilitary and police men), with one of the highest being over 13:1 in 1994 with the overall kill ratio being 8:1 including paramilitary.

It dipped significantly in 2010, becoming barley 2:1-3:1 (3 of theirs to one indian), but came back higher in 2020-2022, but this year the kill ratio isn’t even 2:1.

So yes, they have gotten way worse. Btw, in the 90s, while the RR was expanding (many battalions started seeing combat in the late 90s fyi) regular infantry men used to send patrols a few kms across the LoC and lay an ambush, killing scores of militants. Paras used to go even deeper and lay their ambush. Read some officers accounts, you’ll see how they used to carry surgical operations and lay ambushes in the dead of night instead of constantly charging the cordon with a 6 man search party.

And even the 6 man search parties weren’t SF. Hell, half the time they were mixed between RR and SPOs. A search party squad would usually be , according to Kishtwar cauldron by GD bakshi, 2 RR soldiers and 4 SPOs. And they usually went up against anywhere from 5-20 militants. Nowadays? They send whole SF teams to track 5 militants. The army of now wouldnt be able to handle the intensity level of the 90s.
 

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It has gotten worse.

The average kill ratio for the army was between 5:1 and 6:1 in the 90s and early 2000s (only army NOT including paramilitary and police men), with one of the highest being over 13:1 in 1994 with the overall kill ratio being 8:1 including paramilitary.

It dipped significantly in 2010, becoming barley 2:1-3:1 (3 of theirs to one indian), but came back higher in 2020-2022, but this year the kill ratio isn’t even 2:1.

So yes, they have gotten way worse. Btw, in the 90s, while the RR was expanding (many battalions started seeing combat in the late 90s fyi) regular infantry men used to send patrols a few kms across the LoC and lay an ambush, killing scores of militants. Paras used to go even deeper and lay their ambush. Read some officers accounts, you’ll see how they used to carry surgical operations and lay ambushes in the dead of night instead of constantly charging the cordon with a 6 man search party.

And even the 6 man search parties weren’t SF. Hell, half the time they were mixed between RR and SPOs. A search party squad would usually be , according to Kishtwar cauldron by GD bakshi, 2 RR soldiers and 4 SPOs. And they usually went up against anywhere from 5-20 militants. Nowadays? They send whole SF teams to track 5 militants. The army of now wouldnt be able to handle the intensity level of the 90s.
And this was in the army has considerably less resources as the economy was in the shitter before ABV.
 

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Konse cheez me subsidy bhai ? Doling out freebies doesn't make you pro-govt., just makes you ungrateful and think you deserve it.

We give so many freebies to farmers (in Punjab), do you think they care? They think they are fucking heroes and they deserve it.

Also, you cannot change life trauma within one generation. The current generation of Kashmiris grew up seeing violence & police brutality, unaware of the crimes their parents committed which made them deserve it.
You think they don't know what they did or their parents did? You also think they don't actively support terrorists by sheltering them, providing inputs and helping them with logistics?

In the fight between militants + separatists & army + police, civilians inherently suffer. You disagree?
Then why are they not against the terrorists but only against Indian state? If they are suffering, then they should be equally angry at both sides but clearly they are only angry at one side.

Their behaviour is clearly motivated by principles of Jihad, similar to those who support relentless unprovoked attacks on Israel while immediately jump at Israeli retaliation. Their only explanation is that they are backed by foreign powers who have oil and hence no one can do anything to them. There is no sense of justice or balance in their mind. They are pure evil who can't be reasoned with but have to be tolerated due to backing by petrostates and their oil supply.
 

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It has gotten worse.

The average kill ratio for the army was between 5:1 and 6:1 in the 90s and early 2000s (only army NOT including paramilitary and police men), with one of the highest being over 13:1 in 1994 with the overall kill ratio being 8:1 including paramilitary.

It dipped significantly in 2010, becoming barley 2:1-3:1 (3 of theirs to one indian), but came back higher in 2020-2022, but this year the kill ratio isn’t even 2:1.

So yes, they have gotten way worse. Btw, in the 90s, while the RR was expanding (many battalions started seeing combat in the late 90s fyi) regular infantry men used to send patrols a few kms across the LoC and lay an ambush, killing scores of militants. Paras used to go even deeper and lay their ambush. Read some officers accounts, you’ll see how they used to carry surgical operations and lay ambushes in the dead of night instead of constantly charging the cordon with a 6 man search party.

And even the 6 man search parties weren’t SF. Hell, half the time they were mixed between RR and SPOs. A search party squad would usually be , according to Kishtwar cauldron by GD bakshi, 2 RR soldiers and 4 SPOs. And they usually went up against anywhere from 5-20 militants. Nowadays? They send whole SF teams to track 5 militants. The army of now wouldnt be able to handle the intensity level of the 90s.
Back then there were many terrorist attacks because of which mass action was being done which was more efficient. But the current operations are highly targeted which makes it much more difficult. This is because of 2 reasons: Lower number of attacks which makes it infeasible to launch mass combing operations; & Indian reluctance to target locals even if they have aided the terrorists logistically in order to prevent further escalations due to foreign pressures.
 

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Back then there were many terrorist attacks because of which mass action was being done which was more efficient. But the current operations are highly targeted which makes it much more difficult. This is because of 2 reasons: Lower number of attacks which makes it infeasible to launch mass combing operations; & Indian reluctance to target locals even if they have aided the terrorists logistically in order to prevent further escalations due to foreign pressures.
Yes that is all true, however, we also need to adapt to the changes in circumstances. Many times, soldiers and operators lives could be saved if they the IA invested in NVGs, proper PCs, and caught pigs with their pants down at night.

Many times terrorists have literally gotten away with the cover of darkness .
 

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Kashmiris are essentially frogs in a well. Isolating from mainland India will validate the two-state theory and flame the Kashmiri "separate-state" theory even more.

If we are not taking extreme steps like China, then the only way forward is economic development & connectivity with India which makes them forget if not reject Islamist extremism, anti-Kafir mentality.
Economic development has negative effect on Islamic extremism unless it comes from within. By within, I mean like Europe enlightening itself by rebelling against the church (protestant) and starting their own quest for knowledge & technology. History has shown that Muslims will never accept any knowledge over religious texts and as evidence, we can see that no muslim country has made any meaningful progress towards advanced technology. Only Iran has some technology and that is a result of Russian & Chinese gifts to prevent USA from taking over middle east completely rather than developed on its own merits.

Giving economic development through gifts, fundings etc without inherent gains of knowledge & enlightenment will only give them more free-time to pursue their fanaticism rather than solve the problem. Money is not the solution but enlightenment is.
 

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Yes that is all true, however, we also need to adapt to the changes in circumstances. Many times, soldiers and operators lives could be saved if they the IA invested in NVGs, proper PCs, and caught pigs with their pants down at night.

Many times terrorists have literally gotten away with the cover of darkness .
You may see that kill ratio has worsened but still the overall deaths is lowering. This is a win.

India under Modi has inked intelligence sharing agreements with KSA, UAE, Qatar etc who provide accurate information on any terror plots (they have extensive networks of intelligence due to connection with mullahs in mosques and their huge petrofunding networks and can know most of the plots). India has also inked agreements with USA to provide data on any digital attempts at terror attacks. This is why you see so less terror attacks and precision intelligence operations to nab anyone conspiring after Modi came to office. But this also has a price to pay - India has to be soft on muslims and not subject them to mass surveillance or interrogation.

Since the net effect is that the number of terror attacks have declined significantly and deaths amongst security forces also have lowered, India sees it as better option than to mete out collective punishments.
 

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Unknown people strike yet again ...

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*JeM supporter Maulana Sher Bahadur killed by 'unknown' assailants in Pakistan's Peshawar*
*The incident comes days after Maulana Rahimullah Tariq, a close associate of Jaish-e-Mohammed leader Maulana Masood Azhar and listed among India's most wanted terrorists, was killed by unknown assailants.*

*Amid rising cases of mysterious assassinations of key figures with radical ideologies and terrorist organisations in Pakistan, Maulana Sher Bahadur, a notorious preacher and supporter of Jaish-e-Mohammed, was shot dead by 'unknown' assailants at Khyber Pakhtunkwa in Peshawar.*

■ Yunus Khan, a JeM terrorist known for his recruitment activities was reportedly shot dead.
■ The former Lashkar-e-Taiba commander Akram Khan, also known as Akram Ghazi, met a similar fate in Bajaur. Akram was involved in recruitment for Lashkar-e-Taiba and openly propagated anti-India sentiments.
■ These targeted killings are part of an alarming trend, indicating a systematic dismantling of terrorist networks operating within Pakistan.
■ The slain individuals were not only associated with extremist ideologies but actively involved in planning and executing acts of terrorism. The perpetrators behind these assassinations remain unknown, adding an air of mystery to the unfolding situation.
■ The series of attacks also extends beyond Jaish-e-Mohammed and Lashkar-e-Taiba, reaching other notorious figures. Mufti Qaiser Farooq, Khalistani terrorist Paramjeet Singh Panjwad, Ajaz Ahmed Ahangar, Bashir Ahmed Peer, Shahid Latif, and Syed Khalid Raza have all been targeted by unknown assailants. The motive behind these killings remains unclear, but it is evident that the assailants are selectively targeting individuals with ties to terrorism.

*Pakistan, already facing international scrutiny for its alleged support of terrorist groups, now finds itself grappling with internal challenges as these targeted killings unfold. Earlier, senior Pakistani journalist Hamid Mir pointed fingers at the Indian intelligence agency, RAW (Research and Analysis Wing), and its Afghan counterpart, NDS (National Directorate of Security), for orchestrating these alleged 'targeted killings'.*
 

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BREAKING : India's most wanted and one of the main conspirators of Mumbai 26/11, Lashkar terrorist Sajid Mir poisoned by unknown person inside Central Jail Dera Ghazi Khan. A few months back he was shifted from Lahore Central Jail to here. He is critical and airlifted by Pakistan Army & ISI and currently on ventilator support in CMH Bahawalpur. A private cook who was working in the kitchen of Central Jail Dera Ghazi Khan since October 2023 is missing and Pakistani agencies are trying to nab him. (Sources)




Babaji post. But thought of posting

Edit : Frontal force also reporting the same
 
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BREAKING : India's most wanted and one of the main conspirators of Mumbai 26/11, Lashkar terrorist Sajid Mir poisoned by unknown person inside Central Jail Dera Ghazi Khan. A few months back he was shifted from Lahore Central Jail to here. He is critical and airlifted by Pakistan Army & ISI and currently on ventilator support in CMH Bahawalpur. A private cook who was working in the kitchen of Central Jail Dera Ghazi Khan since October 2023 is missing and Pakistani agencies are trying to nab him. (Sources)




Babaji post. But thought of posting

Edit : Frontal force also reporting the same
It's definitely Pak army bumping them off one after another- not hoping to use them in recent future. Their controlled chaos model of control over their fiefdom was getting too chaotic to control because of international pressure and scrutiny. They'll continue with terrorism in Cash-mere and near border areas, but Mumbai like incidents aren't worth the cost in their calculations for now, it would appear.
 

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Noopur Sharma should have been given proper protection and the party should have backed up her, but unfortunately, this did not took place and the consequences can be seen now.. allegations of blasphemy are easiest to level and to make life hell..
to this day I still don't understand how BJP bowed down to those inbred dumb fu*ks
disappointing day
 

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