India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

[abingdonboy]

Anantnag encounter has left a tough lesson for the Army. IPKF had learnt it in Lanka

Indian security personnel are facing attacks at a time when the overall security situation in Kashmir has eased compared to what it was before 2019.

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Utterly FUBAR

no lessons learned from 2020 forget IPKF

copy and paste job every time-“leading from the front in the highest traditions of the Indian Army”

I’m not sure how you go about screwing up an op this badly on your own soil with almost all the advantages on your side but here you go, IA snatching defeat from the jaws of victory as usual. No matter how ‘trained’ these jihadis are they are still a bunch of village boys carrying dried fruits and a backpack full of AK rounds. Wtf is the army going to do when going up against peers who have ISR, tactical and resource advantages?

 

[mcpo117]

Utterly FUBAR

no lessons learned from 2020 forget IPKF

copy and paste job every time-“leading from the front in the highest traditions of the Indian Army”

I’m not sure how you go about screwing up an op this badly on your own soil with almost all the advantages on your side but here you go, IA snatching defeat from the jaws of victory as usual. No matter how ‘trained’ these jihadis are they are still a bunch of village boys carrying dried fruits and a backpack full of AK rounds. Wtf is the army going to do when going up against peers who have ISR, tactical and resource advantages?

can't question the "Professionals."

 

[mcpo117]

How do they compare with RR in terms of ops undertaken and equipment?

not on par. Kashmir is not their playground.

 

[FalconSlayers]

I can not confirm, but this is this is the pig who's charred body is being claimed to have been found.

 

[Tactical Doge]

I've seen most of them don't even wear plates. forget helmets.

MHA procurement line is more Streamlined

Average IQ of IPS >>>> army officers (according to well places sources trust me)

Do the math

Even if they face initial difficulties

 

[mcpo117]

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MHA procurement line is more Streamlined

Average IQ of IPS >>>> army officers (according to well places sources trust me)

Do the math

Even if they face initial difficulties

they need to maintain permanent presence in the jungles. Like those VietCongs.

 

[mcpo117]

This also means they will relieve RR which will be back in its infantry role... this got interesting!

in case you missed my previous post on this matter.
deploying CoBRA will work if they maintain a permanent presence in the very jungles. No routine patrol bullsh*t. Actual permanent presence. those caves have to be inhabited by our men. the tall trees must be hooked with those Chinese style sniper chairs (Vietcong stuff). We better let those goatfu*kers know what happens when those rocks start laughing and the twigs start talking. Sounds corny but you know it worked in Vietnam. We need to use those jungles in our favor, not theirs.

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[abingdonboy]

This also means they will relieve RR which will be back in its infantry role... this got interesting!

RR will remain for a while imo but their areas of responsibility will shrink further (they have already pulled out of most urban centres), apparently jungles and forests RR struggle in.

there was some talk of even pulling RR and having them replace infantry units on the LOC

 

[abingdonboy]

in case you missed my previous post on this matter.
deploying CoBRA will work if they maintain a permanent presence in the very jungles. No routine patrol bullsh*t. Actual permanent presence. those caves have to be inhabited by our men. the tall trees must be hooked with those Chinese style sniper chairs (Vietcong stuff). We better let those goatfu*kers know what happens when those rocks start laughing and the twigs start talking. Sounds corny but you know it worked in Vietnam. We need to use those jungles in our favor, not theirs.

Who knows what tactics will come up but CRPF/CoBRAs have shown they are relatively competent at clear, build and hold in LWE fight.

they’ll likely have to learn some hard lessons to begin with in a new AOR but they’ll adapt imo. The only thing is they don’t have anything like the resources of the IA, it’s a shame they haven’t been able to build up a credible airwing to date, even in this instance the IA lost men because MEDEVACs couldn’t land, in early days of LWE CRPF boys were bleeding out too because of a lack of HLZs and even IAF helos deployed to support them

 

[Kumaoni]

https://x.com/thelegatein/status/1703665709694554321?s=46&t=8QPJecNQmmoeL0BRyMQdjg

Maybe true, maybe not but I’ve been saying for a while the IA will have to be moved out of COIN almost entirely

recent events may accelerate this process @Kumaoni

IAs already moved out of COIN largely, besides RR and SF.

 

[mcpo117]

Who knows what tactics will come up but CRPF/CoBRAs have shown they are relatively competent at clear, build and hold in LWE fight.

they’ll likely have to learn some hard lessons to begin with in a new AOR but they’ll adapt imo. The only thing is they don’t have anything like the resources of the IA, it’s a shame they haven’t been able to build up a credible airwing to date, even in this instance the IA lost men because MEDEVACs couldn’t land, in early days of LWE CRPF boys were bleeding out too because of a lack of HLZs and even IAF helos deployed to support them

They don't have the kinda money for birds. But as per news reports, CoBRA were being trained in Kashmiri jungle for the last few months. So this was in planning for a while. I have high hope that these guys will do a good job given they are allowed to operate with autonomy.

 

[Kumaoni]

Para SF? Where? Can Indians stop spewing unconfirmed nonsense online?

Reddit - Dive into anything

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[mist_consecutive]

Reactionary army. As always. Learning by making mistakes.

 

[abingdonboy]

Reactionary army. As always. Learning by making mistakes.

What lessons are they learning? They lost COs in a similar way in 2020 forget about all the lessons from IPKF clearly not applied

 

[another_armchair]

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MHA procurement line is more Streamlined

Average IQ of IPS >>>> army officers (according to well places sources trust me)

Do the math

Even if they face initial difficulties

MHA procurement has fewer hurdles to jump over than procurement that goes through MoD.

No, seriously.

It would be easier to order Gucci gear for CRPF than for say Para SF after all the back and forth followed by the QnA from MoD over every request. It is a hopeless situation.

 

[abingdonboy]

They don't have the kinda money for birds. But as per news reports, CoBRA were being trained in Kashmiri jungle for the last few months. So this was in planning for a while. I have high hope that these guys will do a good job given they are allowed to operate with autonomy.

There’s no way their deployment is reactionary to this event, these sorts of things are huge undertakings and require months of coordination and planning (backfilling, De conflicting etc) but they likely publicised it in light of recent events. The move to get the IA out of COIN has been going on pretty much since Modi/Doval came into power

 

[another_armchair]

Body of soldier missing in Anantnag gunfight recovered

Security forces found two bodies from the Gadole forest area in Jammu and Kashmir's Anantnag district on the sixth day of an anti-terror operation on Monday even as Lieutenant Governor Manoj Sinha vowed to avenge the death of three officers and a

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Security forces found two bodies from the Gadole forest area in Jammu and Kashmir's Anantnag district on the sixth day of an anti-terror operation on Monday even as Lieutenant Governor Manoj Sinha vowed to avenge the death of three officers and a soldier, who were killed by terrorists in an encounter.

Two bodies were found from the forest area. One of the deceased was identified as Pradeep, the soldier killed by the terrorists on Wednesday, sources said. The identity of the other deceased is being ascertained.

Colonel Manpreet Singh, commanding officer, 19 Rashtriya Rifles, Major Ashish Dhonchak and Deputy Superintendent of Jammu and Kashmir Police Humayun Bhat were killed by the terrorists on Wednesday.

Pradeep went missing on the first day of the encounter and was believed to have been killed.

 

[abingdonboy]

Para SF? Where? Can Indians stop spewing unconfirmed nonsense online?

Reddit - Dive into anything

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Anyone wearing a team Wendy helmet is SF according to some.

forget the fact that regulars got them before Paras (Tonbo contract)

 

[mcpo117]

Reactionary army. As always. Learning by making mistakes.

the Avengers. not Prevengers.
btw drones are pretty fcking effective against personnel as evident from the Ukraine conflict. Weird that our army brass haven't adopted the same technics already.