India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

[Kumaoni]

Article from 1999

https://www.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/the-next-front/207700

 

[mist_consecutive]

chinks at most (not necessarily) will do a Tawang like misadventure.

I will say such presumption is not backed by any sane fact, and can be dangerous. China has economy, military and motivation to carry larger attacks such as capturing DBO which is infact pretty vulnerable.

 

[Kumaoni]

Need to get this off my chest.

The sheer retardation of some solutions and complaints being mentioned here needs to be called out.

>But but Israel carpet bombs everyone.

I think you have must have forgotten than Israelis opponents have zero air force right? Many of their opponents have camps in Palestine, which is practically defenseless. They also have the full backing and blessing of the United States. Pakistan, on the other hand, has fucking nukes. The only reason they can fucking get away with such strikes is because they are going against a practically defenseless country.

>Our kill ratio is to low mannn

Indias average kill ratio is 4:1, which is not bad considering the following: 1. You have Police and CAPFs fighting (you didn’t see any in Afg) 2.There is ZERO air or armor support or even fucking artillery support being used. The soldiers have to fight with their own resources. Show me a single damn insurgency in which the soldiers had a 10:1kill ratio without Air supprt. Even Afghanistan, the kill ratio was literally in favor of the Taliban. How do you explain this? The fact is the kill ratio of 4:1 will persist despite all the techy reforms due to the nature of which this insurgency is fought. At best it could go to 6:1 or 7:1 with better med kits.

>being defensive is hurting us.

Okay, sure. But what is the alternative? People on this thread only bitch but offer zero solutions. The most practical solution is cross border raids, or basically slaughtering militants families.

 

[Suryavanshi]

retarded post please spare me and undertand my setiment.

Better start working on these.

Sacrific drone worth 10000 dollars rather than men worth much more.

Isralei have come up with room clearing suicide drones, in many cases terroist are holed up in building. Paras usually blow up the building but we do not need to do so when a drone with explosive attached to it can kill the terrorist with much less collateral.

Jihadi feel honoured to die from at mens hand, there is no honour in dieing to a piece of plastic.

I know it seems retarded right now like a faltasy of a child but I'm just asking to start working on it with a goal in mind.

 

[Suryavanshi]

For once drop the josh and actually look for some alternative and unconventional ways to kill/detect terrorist.

 

[Azaad]

For once drop the josh and actually look for some alternative and unconventional ways to kill/detect terrorist.

We've reached the stage wherein we're using mini drones to surveil terrorists in Kashmir during an operation but not kill them . Why ? I've no clue. Then we've deployed drones for ISR on the borders in J&K & Ladakh along the LoC & IB & LAC respectively . I wonder if we've done so throughout the IB & LAC . Similarly I wonder if they're using drones to counter the Maoists or the various terrorist groups operating in the NE .

 

[mokoman]

where attack

where suicide bombing

where ghazwa hind

 

[mokoman]

I never said whatever chinks do is a light prank, just pointed out that chinks at most (not necessarily) will do a Tawang like misadventure.

Other than that the only issue will be if those termites are not neutralised and their ration suppliers not apprehended even after G20. Since they've been focussing completely on Jajouri/Poonch area, sanitizing it should be their priority.

I will say such presumption is not backed by any sane fact, and can be dangerous. China has economy, military and motivation to carry larger attacks such as capturing DBO which is infact pretty vulnerable.

very interesting but both of u r wrong.

if pakistan did any bullshit during g20 meet , we would have shot a brahmos into their ass .

chinese wont do anything but put out "rastore pace and tranquality" at border press release.

red line for chinese will be indian army crossing the india-pakistan border rest we have free hand , anything we do , chinese will only respond by arming pakistan .

 

[nongaddarliberal]

The only effective response to these proxy attacks is to cultivate and use our own proxies to inflict mass casualties on paki soldiers, especially officers.

I don't understand what big conventional and technological advantages people think India has against Pakistan to give the impression that we can conventionally fuck them up whenever they use proxies against us. Look at the state of the Army and Air Force. We have marginal numerical advantage against Pakistan in firepower and almost no qualitative advantage outside the navy and few dozen rafales. We most certainly don't have any training or tactics lead over the pakis. While they can't last in an all out conventional war for more than a few days due to lack of ammo and fuel, they have enough defensive capability against limited strikes.

The gap between the Indian and Pakistani military is nowhere near what most people think it is (again, apart from the navy), for us to carry out strikes in pakistan with assured success the way Israel does in its neighbourhood against poorly armed and poorly trained opponents. If we make it a habit to use armed forces directly as retaliation to their proxies, we are setting ourselves up for major embarrassment down the line where they can lay a trap for our regulars in their soil, or shoot down even more fighter jets going accross.

Play their own proxy game against them, they are more vulnerable than us in this area.

 

[INDIAFIRST]

Poor thinking from your side mate.

Only civilians and their kids will say these kind of stuff.

There was an assessment of of Kargil by USA thinking group they too said that if this scenario had happened to them they would had responded with equipments as they value human life and not like India where there was laterally hopeless killing of its soldiers which could have been averted
There was an article too
Let me find it and share it here.

 

[DumbPilot]

There was an assessment of of Kargil by USA thinking group they too said that if this scenario had happened to them they would had responded with equipments as they value human life and not like India where there was laterally hopeless killing of its soldiers which could have been averted
There was an article too
Let me find it and share it here.

An entire generation died in Kargil. Forget about the war, just ask why we vacated those posts, because we sure as fuck don't vacate Siachen in winter time.

 

[Jimih]

The only effective response to these proxy attacks is to cultivate and use our own proxies to inflict mass casualties on paki soldiers, especially officers.

Play their own proxy game against them, they are more vulnerable than us in this area.

Pakistan Army is also losing troops in an exponential way to rebel attacks.

The intensity is only increasing day by day. Every other day we get to see photoshopped BPJs on Pakistani soldiers photos on Twitter and this was earlier unseen of.

Not implying that India is "behind" this.

Kashmir insurgency is different. Here some Kashmiri locals themselves are hand in gloves with the Pakistani proxies.

In Kashmir, Indian Army has the dual challenge of facing Hostile population and the ISI backed proxies at the same time.

 

[Kumaoni]

An entire generation died in Kargil. Forget about the war, just ask why we vacated those posts, because we sure as fuck don't vacate Siachen in winter time.

They lost far more in Kargil

 

[INDIAFIRST]

retarded post please spare me and undertand my setiment.

Better start working on these.

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Sacrific drone worth 10000 dollars rather than men worth much more.

Isralei have come up with room clearing suicide drones, in many cases terroist are holed up in building. Paras usually blow up the building but we do not need to do so when a drone with explosive attached to it can kill the terrorist with much less collateral.

Jihadi feel honoured to die from at mens hand, there is no honour in dieing to a piece of plastic.

I know it seems retarded right now like a faltasy of a child but I'm just asking to start working on it with a goal in mind.

Hope someday our DRDO scientist will make this real

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[Jimih]

Hope someday our DRDO scientist will make this real

Your average DRDO scientist

 

[Kumaoni]

Only good Pakistani is one in a coffin

Suicide car bomber hits checkpoint in northwest Pakistan, killing 4 in second attack in as many days

Officials say a suicide car bomber has attacked a security checkpoint in northwestern Pakistan killing two soldiers, one policeman and a civilian

abcnews.go.com

 

[skunk works]

We've reached the stage wherein we're using mini drones to surveil terrorists in Kashmir during an operation but not kill them . Why ? I've no clue. Then we've deployed drones for ISR on the borders in J&K & Ladakh along the LoC & IB & LAC respectively . I wonder if we've done so throughout the IB & LAC . Similarly I wonder if they're using drones to counter the Maoists or the various terrorist groups operating in the NE .

I have a feeling all those predator drones are being flown by American crews, same goes for rhe P8Is doing overland recon. And the Gulfstream ELINT jet. I don't have a source, just a feeling so take it for what it is.

 

[Sukrut]

I have a feeling all those predator drones are being flown by American crews, same goes for rhe P8Is doing overland recon. And the Gulfstream ELINT jet. I don't have a source, just a feeling so take it for what it is.

Is it a wet lease?

 

[skunk works]

Is it a wet lease?

Don't know much about those.
More like: "critical situation with the enemy sitting inside your border so there's not time to learn and train. Systems this complex take years to exploit properly.
So until the emergency is over, get in people who know how to exploit them properly."

 

[ezsasa]

The National Investigation Agency (NIA) moves the #DelhiHighCourt seeking a death sentence for JKLF Chief and Kashmiri separatist leader Yasin Malik. Malik was sentenced to life imprisonment by the trial court in Delhi in a terror funding case.