India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

[here2where]

Probably the same tbh

I hope you are wrong. Coz if you are right it says poorly about our men(and women).

 

[patriots]

After losing many men to terrorism
1.India still can't stop trade with Pakistan
2.cant stop wagah ceremony
3.cant stop distributing sweets on occasion s
4.cant stop our share of water flowing to Pakistan
5.Cant stop smuggling of arms with drones


These things can be done without fighting a war

 

[Kumaoni]

Just fake encounter the terrorists families tbh

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

let's say a similar action points were to be drawn entirely based on externalising the focus, what would they look like?

Did not understand. Can you elaborate, saaar?

 

[flanker99]

Just fake encounter the terrorists families tbh

Take them and ogw to the forest lets see them setting off bobby traps

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Yeh kya hai kishtwar mein? Army helicopter ka accident lag raha hai.

 

[Jimih]

After losing many men to terrorism
1.India still can't stop trade with Pakistan
2.cant stop wagah ceremony
3.cant stop distributing sweets on occasion s
4.cant stop our share of water flowing to Pakistan
5.Cant stop smuggling of arms with drones


These things can be done without fighting a war

Point 1, Point 2 and Point 3 are very easy to implement.

Any self-respecting country would do that.

 

[ezsasa]

Did not understand. Can you elaborate, saaar?

was thinking on the lines of, action points which list out expected impact on enemy nation without focussing on who will do it and how they will/should do it.

 

[Vayuputra]

Yeh kya hai kishtwar mein? Army helicopter ka accident lag raha hai.

Again dhruv chopper, glad this time they grounded entire fleet,

 

[jai jaganath]

Yeh kya hai kishtwar mein? Army helicopter ka accident lag raha hai.

Yeah this was the video which we weren't sharing
Basically after the crash the pilot refused first aid bcoz he was angry
There are deep issues in alh
I support indigenous equipments but if there is some severe problem we have deal with them can't always shout import lobby
Thankfully they have been grounded again and will be checked again
We lost one technician

 

[Master Chief]

After losing many men to terrorism
1.India still can't stop trade with Pakistan
2.cant stop wagah ceremony
3.cant stop distributing sweets on occasion s
4.cant stop our share of water flowing to Pakistan
5.Cant stop smuggling of arms with drones


These things can be done without fighting a war

Don't worry we will start talking about stopping water to Pakistan.. as elections near..
Stopping smuggling.. If US CANT STOP drug smuggling from Mexico.. India can't either.. We can only reduce it.

 

[another_armchair]

Point 1, Point 2 and Point 3 are very easy to implement.

Any self-respecting country would do that.

Would be a shame if we continue points 1-3 after Jaishankar's tongue lashing of Pakistan yesterday.

Would make the whole exercise appear like churlish kindergartenish posturing.

 

[abingdonboy]

It would have been foreseen by GOI.. For GOI and Army it's just 10 guys dead.. Not a big deal..
There were no talks with Bhutto Bhadwa.. and Jaishankar called Terrorism Pakistan's main industry.. also.. Paki Inflation is 48.5 percent.. Indian manufacturing PMI in April is 57.2 and Servies PMI a 13 year high of a whopping 62..
Each year we pass, without talking to Pakistan, or giving an inch.. we strengthen our long term position against it.. India will never go for POK until atleat 20 years, so that we again an over whelming edge.. or until the US led world order collapses.. while also weakening China.. so that even if India invades POK, there will not be a western / Chinese backlash..
Until then the best option is to do minimal trade and investment with Pakistan, while trying to weaken it internally..

Excellent post and all those rabidly spewing emotional nonsense should digest this.

India’s long term success is the ultimate defeat of Pakistan. That rathole is doing everything in its power (backed by their sugar daddy CCP) to stop India’s rise and keep it as poor as they are.

So yes G20 is 100% the right thing to have done, it’s far more important to normalise JK, get it developed and turn it from an economic drain to economic asset. The reason why China can do pretty much anything it likes today is because it has $$$ and geopolitical weight. One of the best things Modi has done is entirely de-hyphenating india and Pakistan, if india starts going back to tit for tat with the Somalia of the region then it is only lowering itself.

that said, what is wealth if you can’t use it? India has not been able to impose enough of a cost on Pakistan to knock this nonsense out, that has to change. Balakot shouldn’t have been a one off, it should be the default position-they see a launch pad, launch pad is a smoking mess the next day. The Israelis wouldn’t put up with this cr@p.

+ yes after all this time the fact that the Indian security forces are still walking themselves into ambushes is ridiculous, it seems like this team was on the hunt for the very people that carried out Poonch, being out smarted by the same group twice now especially an SF team is unacceptable. For some reason the IA still can’t get the basics right

 

[prasadr14]

The genrols used men as cannon fodder

I don't recall anyone saying the men fighting are indeed cannon fodder and let's continue to treat them the same

People seem to be forgetting the main objective of military.

Although we should take utmost care of our soldiers, the primary objective of a military is to achieve the writ given to it. Potential loss of lives of soldiers are accepted norm in any military operation.

If we as society are so are so sensitive about loss of lives of our soldiers, then the only option is to train them and keep them safety confined to their barracks.

Lest anyone forget, we are at war in Kashmir, a different kind but it is still a war.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Excellent post and all those rabidly spewing emotional nonsense should digest this.

India’s long term success is the ultimate defeat of Pakistan. That rathole is doing everything in its power (backed by their sugar daddy CCP) to stop India’s rise and keep it as poor as they are.

So yes G20 is 100% the right thing to have done, it’s far more important to normalise JK, get it developed and turn it from an economic drain to economic asset. The reason why China can do pretty much anything it likes today is because it has $$$ and geopolitical weight. One of the best things Modi has done is entirely de-hyphenating india and Pakistan, if india starts going back to tit for tat with the Somalia of the region then it is only lowering itself.

that said, what is wealth if you can’t use it? India has not been able to impose enough of a cost on Pakistan to knock this nonsense out, that has to change. Balakot shouldn’t have been a one off, it should be the default position-they see a launch pad, launch pad is a smoking mess the next day. The Israelis wouldn’t put up with this cr@p.

+ yes after all this time the fact that the Indian security forces are still walking themselves into ambushes is ridiculous, it seems like this team was on the hunt for the very people that carried out Poonch, being out smarted by the same group twice now especially an SF team is unacceptable. For some reason the IA still can’t get the basics right

Simple solution is providing money to Afghan warlords, gives deniability to India and inflicts lots of damage upon the pakis.


Cheap, effective, reliable.

 

[abingdonboy]

Simple solution is providing money to Afghan warlords, gives deniability to India and inflicts lots of damage upon the pakis.


Cheap, effective, reliable.

Yep, pakis were distracted after the fall of Kabul and the Taliban was giving them a lot of grief on their western border

for every Indian killed by Paki terrorists let 20 Pakis be killed by the Taliban and TTP.

 

[Jimih]

+ yes after all this time the fact that the Indian security forces are still walking themselves into ambushes is ridiculous, it seems like this team was on the hunt for the very people that carried out Poonch, being out smarted by the same group twice now especially an SF team is unacceptable. For some reason the IA still can’t get the basics right

Yes this is the argument which is been discussed by me and few other members, barring the few others who are spewing emotional nonsense.

 

[Inderjeet Singh]

Calling the casualties as cannon fodder maybe due to frustration out of no lessons being learnt and no genrol heads rolling for the fek ups.

Absolutely after losing 26 Soldiers and 9 civilians Did Government changed its strategy against Pakistan The answer is Big NO

 

[abingdonboy]

Putting it here so that if it ever comes true... you guys are mentally prepared for it & the meltdown could be contained

From some telegram groups... I have got this info that some of the weapons of the operators have been taken away... & "that particular weapon" with which you identify the Para guys is with the ultras & they can release the picture... for me it is disheartening

Who cares? There are Talibanis walking around with tricked out SOCOM issuerifles and NODs

this group is not long for this world that’s for sure but the point is they somehow managed to gain tactical wins over the hunters who have all the resources on their side- or should. Throwing men at the problem is a sick common tactic used time and again during CT Ops in india from 26/11 to pathankot and all too often you’ll see the aggressors suffering secondary and tertiary casualties. Let’s all remember EDI. The terrorists know

 

[abingdonboy]

Took few casualties again, not sure if they are fatal

Didn’t even get this far in the thread and literally as I said above- expect secondary and tertiary casualties in these ops

ffs this is more infuriating than the original attack (Poonch), IA generals using human wave tactics against insurgents in 2023?? RR and SF should be better than this but they just aren’t.