India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

[jai jaganath]

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Folks pls let's predict which one is gonna be used

@mods if feel unrelated then pls shift it to chit chat

 

[Inderjeet Singh]

Indian Govt used it's Soldiers as Cannon Fodder

 

[Kumaoni]

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Indian Govt used it's Soldiers as Cannon Fodder

20 in only three different incidents

 

[prasadr14]

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Indian Govt used it's Soldiers as Cannon Fodder

True mate.

the innocent terrorists and Jihadis and naxalites are........

 

[another_armchair]

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Indian Govt used it's Soldiers as Cannon Fodder

That's an extremely irresponsible statement.

You know how most of those lives were lost yet you choose to call them as cannon fodder.

Army runs its own sarva sampann vada pav business. They were doing the same thing when Kargil intrusions were taking place.

1. Bhata Dhurian - 6-7 RR soldiers were killed in their sleep. The tangos waited for them to fall asleep before moving in. Yes, blame the govt and call them cannon fodder.

2. Bhata Dhurian - 5 soldiers were killed when a truck carrying iftar fruits was ambushed. It wasn't part of a convoy apparently.

3. Rajouri - 5 soldiers killed during ops.

Who is the cannon fodder here? Or the term cannon fodder is being bandied about to cover the incompetence of those who are on the ground and are supposed to secure the region?

The Army(MI) and the local police play equally important roles in threat perception, intel gathering and ops. If they fuck up, they pay with their lives.

 

[here2where]

That's an extremely irresponsible statement.

You know how most of those lives were lost yet you choose to call them as cannon fodder.

Army runs its own sarva sampann vada pav business. They were doing the same thing when Kargil intrusions were taking place.

1. Bhata Dhurian - 6-7 RR soldiers were killed in their sleep. The tangos waited for them to fall asleep before moving in. Yes, blame the govt and call them cannon fodder.

2. Bhata Dhurian - 5 soldiers were killed when a truck carrying iftar fruits was ambushed. It wasn't part of a convoy apparently.

3. Rajouri - 5 soldiers killed during ops.

Who is the cannon fodder here? Or the term cannon fodder is being bandied about to cover the incompetence of those who are on the ground and are supposed to secure the region?

The Army(MI) and the local police play equally important roles in threat perception, intel gathering and ops. If they fuck up, they pay with their lives.

Calling the casualties as cannon fodder maybe due to frustration out of no lessons being learnt and no genrol heads rolling for the fek ups.

 

[Kumaoni]

Only 13 terrorists killed for 10 soldiers deaths. Pathetic. Just pathetic.

2023 will be the worst year kill ratio wise since 1999.

 

[EarthCitizen]

Manipur Update: Army Brings Violence-Hit Areas Under "Firm Control"

Life returned to wary normalcy in Imphal Valley on Saturday as shops and markets reopened and cars started moving on the roads.

www.ndtv.com

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Let’s look at the following:

- in both Poonch and Rajouri, the terrorists knew the exact terrain and hiding places deeply. They knew where to hide, how to position, lay ambush etc. This takes months of roaming around and being supported by locals.
- sniper rifles, sticky IEDs, enough ammo, navigation aids for jungle warfare etc - they came with complete tech and not just your usual south Punjabi cannon fodder with dry fruits and AK47s. This means this tech was smuggled in by local mules and the terrorists crossed over later. Months of planning. Not your usual mullah-led terrorists

These are either Porki Army special forces disguised as terrorists or trained by them to renew terrorism in Jammu forward areas which have been pro india for a long time.

These would be my response:
1. Officially declare Porki land a terror sponsoring nation.
2. BCCI must cut off funding to PCB. 80% of ICC revenues come from BCCI. Hit where it hurts. Tell ICC no chance of playing Porkies even in multilateral tournaments as the Indian parliament has declared them an enemy of the state.
3. All Indians must be told the consequences of dealing with a declared enemy of the state.
4. Impose penalties/taxes on companies that do business in India which have a presence in porkiland.
5. Time for full demographic change in Rajouri, Poonch areas. Bring in massive development. Build modern border villages, mountain roads, etc.
6. Open up on Muzaffarabad directly. Target Mangla dam. Start process of revoking IWT.
7. Send in indian special forces for regular clean up within PoK. Launch pads should never be allowed to function.
8. Put Amit Shah and Rajnath Singh back on party duty and get ministers that can act decisively in the home and defense areas. Under Amit Shah, violence is flaring up too much. And he is nowhere to be seen. Similarly kadi nindha is nowhere to be seen.
9. These are not your regular biriyani eating poverty stricken fidayeen. So declare that this is an act of war by porkiland. Block shipping lanes to reduce fuel supply.
10. Put them back on FATF so IMF can get out of there.

We can really hit them hard on the financial and logistics front. All are doable. Foreign policy gaaliyan by Jaishankar is not enough. Porkis have a thick skin.

Do we have the balls to do it? That is another matter.

 

[Kumaoni]

Let’s look at the following:

- in both Poonch and Rajouri, the terrorists knew the exact terrain and hiding places deeply. They knew where to hide, how to position, lay ambush etc. This takes months of roaming around and being supported by locals.
- sniper rifles, sticky IEDs, enough ammo, navigation aids for jungle warfare etc - they came with complete tech and not just your usual south Punjabi cannon fodder with dry fruits and AK47s. This means this tech was smuggled in by local mules and the terrorists crossed over later. Months of planning. Not your usual mullah-led terrorists

These are either Porki Army special forces disguised as terrorists or trained by them to renew terrorism in Jammu forward areas which have been pro india for a long time.

These would be my response:
1. Officially declare Porki land a terror sponsoring nation.
2. BCCI must cut off funding to PCB. 80% of ICC revenues come from BCCI. Hit where it hurts. Tell ICC no chance of playing Porkies even in multilateral tournaments as the Indian parliament has declared them an enemy of the state.
3. All Indians must be told the consequences of dealing with a declared enemy of the state.
4. Impose penalties/taxes on companies that do business in India which have a presence in porkiland.
5. Time for full demographic change in Rajouri, Poonch areas. Bring in massive development. Build modern border villages, mountain roads, etc.
6. Open up on Muzaffarabad directly. Target Mangla dam. Start process of revoking IWT.
7. Send in indian special forces for regular clean up within PoK. Launch pads should never be allowed to function.
8. Put Amit Shah and Rajnath Singh back on party duty and get ministers that can act decisively in the home and defense areas. Under Amit Shah, violence is flaring up too much. And he is nowhere to be seen. Similarly kadi nindha is nowhere to be seen.
9. These are not your regular biriyani eating poverty stricken fidayeen. So declare that this is an act of war by porkiland. Block shipping lanes to reduce fuel supply.
10. Put them back on FATF so IMF can get out of there.

We can really hit them hard on the financial and logistics front. All are doable. Foreign policy gaaliyan by Jaishankar is not enough. Porkis have a thick skin.

Do we have the balls to do it? That is another matter.

Disagree on 2. The terrorists are the same it’s just the terrain is very different. Also Rajouri has gotten better kill ratio wise, this attack was something new.

Poonch-Mendhar however should be the attention Atm.

 

[RocketMan]

That is quite literally the stupidest thing that could be done at this point.

Pakistan has shown it is ready to retaliate. Do you want to start up the potential for another war, as seen after the 27th Feb (Pakistan was prepared for full-scale war at that point but India decided to de-escalate)
Any strike on Pakistani soil will lead to a slapped wrist for India again, and will likely lead to further heat in Kashmir.

And trust me, with the G20, you won't want the smoke ,young man.

Even if entire West/China/OIC supports you , your country will be fighting against the fourth largest industrial base on the entire planet ! In a war of attrition Pakistan will be ground into dust ..

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Disagree on 2. The terrorists are the same it’s just the terrain is very different. Also Rajouri has gotten better kill ratio wise, this attack was something new.

Poonch-Mendhar however should be the attention Atm.

Are we sure? The dead pig in Rajouri does not look like the dirty south Punjabi cannon fodder. This is different. The PR by the terrorists is different. The tactics to gain local support is different. This is escalation and we need to escalate things.

 

[EarthCitizen]

Let’s look at the following:

- in both Poonch and Rajouri, the terrorists knew the exact terrain and hiding places deeply. They knew where to hide, how to position, lay ambush etc. This takes months of roaming around and being supported by locals.
- sniper rifles, sticky IEDs, enough ammo, navigation aids for jungle warfare etc - they came with complete tech and not just your usual south Punjabi cannon fodder with dry fruits and AK47s. This means this tech was smuggled in by local mules and the terrorists crossed over later. Months of planning. Not your usual mullah-led terrorists

These are either Porki Army special forces disguised as terrorists or trained by them to renew terrorism in Jammu forward areas which have been pro india for a long time.

These would be my response:
1. Officially declare Porki land a terror sponsoring nation.
2. BCCI must cut off funding to PCB. 80% of ICC revenues come from BCCI. Hit where it hurts. Tell ICC no chance of playing Porkies even in multilateral tournaments as the Indian parliament has declared them an enemy of the state.
3. All Indians must be told the consequences of dealing with a declared enemy of the state.
4. Impose penalties/taxes on companies that do business in India which have a presence in porkiland.
5. Time for full demographic change in Rajouri, Poonch areas. Bring in massive development. Build modern border villages, mountain roads, etc.
6. Open up on Muzaffarabad directly. Target Mangla dam. Start process of revoking IWT.
7. Send in indian special forces for regular clean up within PoK. Launch pads should never be allowed to function.
8. Put Amit Shah and Rajnath Singh back on party duty and get ministers that can act decisively in the home and defense areas. Under Amit Shah, violence is flaring up too much. And he is nowhere to be seen. Similarly kadi nindha is nowhere to be seen.
9. These are not your regular biriyani eating poverty stricken fidayeen. So declare that this is an act of war by porkiland. Block shipping lanes to reduce fuel supply.
10. Put them back on FATF so IMF can get out of there.

We can really hit them hard on the financial and logistics front. All are doable. Foreign policy gaaliyan by Jaishankar is not enough. Porkis have a thick skin.

Do we have the balls to do it? That is another matter.

Brother, the 5th point you mentioned seems impossible because our sickluar will start protesting against it. It would require a lot of effort to change the demography. Also, I haven't seen that amount of guts in Prime Minister Modi yet.

 

[Tactical Doge]

True mate.

the innocent terrorists and Jihadis and naxalites are........

The genrols used men as cannon fodder

I don't recall anyone saying the men fighting are indeed cannon fodder and let's continue to treat them the same

Only 13 terrorists killed for 10 soldiers deaths. Pathetic. Just pathetic.

2023 will be the worst year kill ratio wise since 1999.

 

[here2where]

Only 13 terrorists killed for 10 soldiers deaths. Pathetic. Just pathetic.

2023 will be the worst year kill ratio wise since 1999.

Iam not an expert so I request you to give a ballpark amount spent on kitting out and training the 13 torn salwars and our 10 soldiers. Please?

 

[Kumaoni]

Are we sure? The dead pig in Rajouri does not look like the dirty south Punjabi cannon fodder. This is different. The PR by the terrorists is different. The tactics to gain local support is different. This is escalation and we need to escalate things.

Tbh, the cadre is the same. These are the same pigs who get killed in Srinagar. They aren’t anything special, they are the same.

The only thing they did was exploit basic lack of common sense

 

[jai jaganath]

That's an extremely irresponsible statement.

You know how most of those lives were lost yet you choose to call them as cannon fodder.

Army runs its own sarva sampann vada pav business. They were doing the same thing when Kargil intrusions were taking place.

1. Bhata Dhurian - 6-7 RR soldiers were killed in their sleep. The tangos waited for them to fall asleep before moving in. Yes, blame the govt and call them cannon fodder.

2. Bhata Dhurian - 5 soldiers were killed when a truck carrying iftar fruits was ambushed. It wasn't part of a convoy apparently.

3. Rajouri - 5 soldiers killed during ops.

Who is the cannon fodder here? Or the term cannon fodder is being bandied about to cover the incompetence of those who are on the ground and are supposed to secure the region?

The Army(MI) and the local police play equally important roles in threat perception, intel gathering and ops. If they fuck up, they pay with their lives.

He is saying this bcoz of no retaliation by GoI
If u r not retaliating then u r not treating anything more than cannon fodder
Sorry to say

 

[Kumaoni]

Iam not an expert so I request you to give a ballpark amount spent on kitting out and training the 13 torn salwars and our 10 soldiers. Please?

Probably the same tbh

 

[Kumaoni]

He is saying this bcoz of no retaliation by GoI
If u r not retaliating then u r not treating anything more than cannon fodder
Sorry to say

Only time I can agree with you.

 

[ezsasa]

Let’s look at the following:

- in both Poonch and Rajouri, the terrorists knew the exact terrain and hiding places deeply. They knew where to hide, how to position, lay ambush etc. This takes months of roaming around and being supported by locals.
- sniper rifles, sticky IEDs, enough ammo, navigation aids for jungle warfare etc - they came with complete tech and not just your usual south Punjabi cannon fodder with dry fruits and AK47s. This means this tech was smuggled in by local mules and the terrorists crossed over later. Months of planning. Not your usual mullah-led terrorists

These are either Porki Army special forces disguised as terrorists or trained by them to renew terrorism in Jammu forward areas which have been pro india for a long time.

These would be my response:
1. Officially declare Porki land a terror sponsoring nation.
2. BCCI must cut off funding to PCB. 80% of ICC revenues come from BCCI. Hit where it hurts. Tell ICC no chance of playing Porkies even in multilateral tournaments as the Indian parliament has declared them an enemy of the state.
3. All Indians must be told the consequences of dealing with a declared enemy of the state.
4. Impose penalties/taxes on companies that do business in India which have a presence in porkiland.
5. Time for full demographic change in Rajouri, Poonch areas. Bring in massive development. Build modern border villages, mountain roads, etc.
6. Open up on Muzaffarabad directly. Target Mangla dam. Start process of revoking IWT.
7. Send in indian special forces for regular clean up within PoK. Launch pads should never be allowed to function.
8. Put Amit Shah and Rajnath Singh back on party duty and get ministers that can act decisively in the home and defense areas. Under Amit Shah, violence is flaring up too much. And he is nowhere to be seen. Similarly kadi nindha is nowhere to be seen.
9. These are not your regular biriyani eating poverty stricken fidayeen. So declare that this is an act of war by porkiland. Block shipping lanes to reduce fuel supply.
10. Put them back on FATF so IMF can get out of there.

We can really hit them hard on the financial and logistics front. All are doable. Foreign policy gaaliyan by Jaishankar is not enough. Porkis have a thick skin.

Do we have the balls to do it? That is another matter.

let's say a similar action points were to be drawn entirely based on externalising the focus, what would they look like?