India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

[here2where]

Could you back your claim with evidence that CRPF requested for 5 aircraft to transport troops based on inputs of an impending VBIED attack?

Thanks.

If such a letter exists it isn’t on web atleast. Googleji throws references to “senior CRPF” sources talking of the request for airlift. People in the know, like the ex-guv, might know.

But intel warning of an attack was shared before incident.

Pulwama attack: IED attack warning sent to CRPF, other agencies last week

Pulwama attack: IED attack warning sent to CRPF, other agencies last week

Despite the early warning, the CRPF allowed its 78-vehicle convoy carrying 2,547 security personnel to go from the transit camp in Jammu to Srinagar -- a 270-km stretch

www.business-standard.com

 

[Cheran]

My understanding, i could be wrong though, seems to be their “butt hurt” at being branded anti-nationals by Modi on being asked to own up govt failure to prevent pulwama. And on top of it, converting the resultant “unnecessary” loss of 40 soldiers into an nationalist issue in the 2019 elections. It obviously all boils down to bjp winning elections while raga still waits in the wings.

Don’t want to digress to politics in this thread.

As to how certain journalists, intellectuals aligned with the opposition are giving soundbites to ISI are well documented. The same set were seen amplifying ISI narratives and orgasm-ing over Imran Khan after his "success" (Post Abhinandan capture). Comments saying only crows died, how uneducated ugly Modi was defeated by foreign educated handsome Imran (made by our own people) were rife on SM. These spread to several whatsapp groups etc. There is no other name other than anti national for people who do this during critical times.

Opposition criticized Modi for the failure aka politicized it. It was natural. Likewise post Balakot people credited him for the approval the strikes. Again natural. INC & its supporters still take credit for 71. (I dont think any BJP people have issues with that)

It was known at the time that there was a request for air transport authorization for CRPF.. but BABUS being babus don't act until sh*t hits the fan.. Doesn't absolve Modi Gov. Of negligence.. but Pakistan is the cause of the attack. And Modi government was successful in driving the narrative at the time. That's all that matters.. This motu ram satyapal Malik creates some ripples from time to time, which excites the opposition, but does nothing to sway neutral voters..

I dont know if negligence is the work to use. Could be a combination of several things (delay, convoy being larger than usual due to backlog, etc etc). Whatever it is, it happened during Modi's time.

So yes, we can discuss this further to point as to where exactly the fault was but below narrative will/has to be nipped in the bud always.

"Just, once again, to highlight the narrative that Modi did Phulwama to win the election & Hindutva terror is the main threat to peace in "South Asia" "

 

[AnantS]

If such a letter exists it isn’t on web atleast. Googleji throws references to “senior CRPF” sources talking of the request for airlift. People in the know, like the ex-guv, might know.

But intel warning of an attack was shared before incident.

Pulwama attack: IED attack warning sent to CRPF, other agencies last week

Pulwama attack: IED attack warning sent to CRPF, other agencies last week

Despite the early warning, the CRPF allowed its 78-vehicle convoy carrying 2,547 security personnel to go from the transit camp in Jammu to Srinagar -- a 270-km stretch

www.business-standard.com

intel warning must be there. But then at that time, such intel warnings must have received by dozen over period of time. Sending all by flight makes hardly any sense - given it was not afghanistan airlift kind of situation. If Sec Forces cannot secure its own logistic lines within its own territory during peace time - what shall unarmed local civilians do? If you want to blame- lay blame on people who decided it was ok to mix civvie traffic with convoy.

 

[Jimih]

Oo Bhaisahab Pulwama mein Randi Rona ke baad agla kis past topic mein Randi Rona karna hain?

I guess it's Galwan.

 

[another_armchair]

If such a letter exists it isn’t on web atleast. Googleji throws references to “senior CRPF” sources talking of the request for airlift. People in the know, like the ex-guv, might know.

But intel warning of an attack was shared before incident.

Pulwama attack: IED attack warning sent to CRPF, other agencies last week

Pulwama attack: IED attack warning sent to CRPF, other agencies last week

Despite the early warning, the CRPF allowed its 78-vehicle convoy carrying 2,547 security personnel to go from the transit camp in Jammu to Srinagar -- a 270-km stretch

www.business-standard.com

Intel inputs were being shared since Jan. Forces(includes all) failed to neutralize it is our collective failure.

An operation involving 300 kgs of explosives with a good amount of RDX doesn't go unnoticed. It creates a lot of chatter.

Eleven intelligence inputs warning of Pulwama attack were ignored

Frontline’s investigation reveals that 11 intelligence inputs warning of the Pulwama terrorist attack of February 14, 2019, were ignored. Who was responsible for the “oversight”, which resulted in the death of 40 CRPF personnel, the Balakot surgical strike, and ultimately the thumping electoral...

frontline.thehindu.com

^It has the obvious overtone of Chindu's bias but has some useful nuggets.

But am yet to come across an article/individual which/who will stick its neck out and state - 'CRPF requested for 5 aircraft citing VBIED threat. Request was denied by MHA'.

As is obvious, Gobermint(collective arms of the Govt) somehow tried to pin the blame on BJP led MHA that the ruling party was responsible for the loss of lives, cleverly avoiding public scrutiny of their own collective failure and shifted it to the political chair - They denied aircraft and CRPF men lost their lives.

Not that I'm absolving the political masters but they are not supposed to be doing the job of sleuthing no?

As for 26/11, the intel from massa was very very specific yet they managed to slip through. How did MMS punish Hafiz Saeed or LeT or Pakistan? Yea.. we bombed them with dossiers.

 

[Jimih]

How did MMS punish Hafiz Saeed or LeT or Pakistan? Yea.. we bombed them with dossiers.

No! This reason is not enough.

Mudi shud rezine.

 

[another_armchair]

No! This reason is not enough.

Mudi shud rezine.

Let Pappu become PM. He will blame it all on RSS, BJP and Savarkar.

 

[Jimih]

Let Pappu become PM. He will blame it all on RSS, BJP and Savarkar.

One of the member here is acting retarded for the past 24 hours.

Was not expected from him.

 

[another_armchair]

One of the member is acting retarded here for past 24 hours.

Was not expected from him.

Lagta hai Vishu mein manpasand khana nahi mila.

/punIntended

 

[here2where]

Intel inputs were being shared since Jan. Forces(includes all) failed to neutralize it is our collective failure.

An operation involving 300 kgs of explosives with a good amount of RDX doesn't go unnoticed. It creates a lot of chatter.

Eleven intelligence inputs warning of Pulwama attack were ignored

Frontline’s investigation reveals that 11 intelligence inputs warning of the Pulwama terrorist attack of February 14, 2019, were ignored. Who was responsible for the “oversight”, which resulted in the death of 40 CRPF personnel, the Balakot surgical strike, and ultimately the thumping electoral...

frontline.thehindu.com

^It has the obvious overtone of Chindu's bias but has some useful nuggets.

But am yet to come across an article/individual which/who will stick its neck out and state - 'CRPF requested for 5 aircraft citing VBIED threat. Request was denied by MHA'.

As is obvious, Gobermint(collective arms of the Govt) somehow tried to pin the blame on BJP led MHA that the ruling party was responsible for the loss of lives, cleverly avoiding public scrutiny of their own collective failure and shifted it to the political chair - They denied aircraft and CRPF men lost their lives.

Not that I'm absolving the political masters but they are not supposed to be doing the job of sleuthing no?

As for 26/11, the intel from massa was very very specific yet they managed to slip through. How did MMS punish Hafiz Saeed or LeT or Pakistan? Yea.. we bombed them with dossiers.

Brudah, frontline?
And i thought iam the commie here

anyway, iam sure all these we are typing now is all repetition of what would been beaten to death in the pulwama thread. Lets see if someone new does stick his neck out.

 

[hit&run]

You can not stop the Pulwama-like attack. They just have to succeed once.

 

[mist_consecutive]

I am surprised we are even having a debate on this Pulwama topic, that too on a military forum. C'mon, folks, you are more intelligent than this.

 

[fooLIam]

I am surprised we are even having a debate on this Pulwama topic, that too on a military forum. C'mon, folks, you are more intelligent than this.

It’s one poster that keep bringing it and all others than countering it meanwhile Chandrachud truly taking us for satrangi ride.

 

[Blademaster]

After Satya pal malik, Gen. Roychowdhury slams the intelligence failure. The General has been critical of seeking votes in the name of Balakot strikes.

PM Modi, NSA Doval Should Take Responsibility for Pulwama Attack: Former Indian Army Chief

PM Modi, NSA Doval Should Take Responsibility for Pulwama Attack: Former Indian Army Chief

General Shankar Roychowdhury said that large convoys moving along the national highway are always vulnerable to attack, adding that the area where the Pulwama terror attack had occurred had always been a very “vulnerable sector”.

thewire.in

"
General Roychowdhury also agreed with Malik’s statement that the terror attack was the result of an intelligence failure. Malik said that while the RDX, an explosive substance, which was used in the attack came from Pakistan, the fact that a car that was “roaming around” in Kashmir for days before the attack and could not be located was an intelligence and security system failure.

“It’s a slip-up that the government is trying to wash its hands of. I strongly believe that the troops should have been ferried across by aircraft, which are available with the civil aviation department, Air Force or BSF,” the former army chief told Telegraph, adding, “Failure has no claimants.”
"

He was part of the problem then because as IA Chief he could have ordered his men to formulate and lay down policies to avoid such casualties. He didn't and now is seeking to blame others. He has lost his credibility.

 

[Blademaster]

There are hundreds of military vehicles roaming Kashmiri towns, suburbs and villages as we speak.

The Islamic terrorist targeted a random military truck on a routine logistical requirement of transporting CRPF personnel. It was a security failure on the intel level. But saying security can be provided for all those hundred trucks or buying armoured trucks for managing such a big logistical operation is just a fool's aspiration.

The responsibility is all on Modi and Doval unconditionally. But why does it has to be proclaimed to give narratives to the enemy state and compromised opposition to twist it?

No it is not because they don't set the time schedule and coordination of moving vehicles around and responses. It is the IA's job and they dropped the ball. Stop blaming Modi and Doval for everything. They cannot be micromanagers in everything. Do you honestly want and expect Modi and Doval to oversee the minutea of every thing that goes on in India? There is not enough time and stamina to do such thing. There is a chain of command for a reason and Modi can't be expected to personally sign off to every aircraft request or such.

 

[Varoon2]

You can not stop the Pulwama-like attack. They just have to succeed once.

True, but the huge number of terrorist attacks that *were* prevented need to be emphasised, as well as the projection of how many casualties would have occurred had those plans not been thwarted. Just last week, two men were arrested in connection with the interception of an enormous amount of explosives back in the summer of 2022. It was enough to cause 10 Oklahoma city type explosions( that one in 1995 killed 168 people) . Yet, there is very little coverage or discussion about it, in the MSM. There have been many such foils of terrorist plots in Kashmir. In the early 2000s, India Today magazine reported that 400 Islamist terrorist cells had been busted throughout the length and breadth of India. What if even one-tenth of those 'succeeded'?

 

[Butter Chicken]

5 jawan martyred

 

[FalconSlayers]

5 jawan martyred

IED attack probably, and this will continue from now on since next year are elections.

 

[Butter Chicken]

IED attack probably, and this will continue from now on since next year are elections.

G20
Satyapal Malik

Aap chronology samjhiye

 

[Sachinananda]

IED attack probably, and this will continue from now on since next year are elections.

Wtf ied how come these guys are saying fire incident
Are they underplaying if yes then it's dangerous