India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

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Then why generals of 1962 or even 1947 were inexperienced. I mean geography and geopolitics also played major role in 1971 win. We can’t brush off today’s generals as inexperienced. If you give them proper equipment and political backing they can also make wonders. Also modern day wars are so different than old era. armed services simply need to be ready for today war scenario. I hope they are doing that.
Generals of 1947 and 1962 had invaluable world war 2 experience- both India and Pakistan had Burma war veterans, all the way down from Chief of staff to ranks.
By any comparison, generals of today are vastly inexperienced in big force warfare.
 

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What broke pakistan in 1971 was the highly experienced crop of Indian general's trained by the British coming out freshly from one of the biggest wars the world has ever seen.

Each of these general's had at some point served at some different part of the world facing one of the most disciplined armies in the world.

The amount of experience and knowledge you gain from such a deployment is simply unmatchable.

That era of our general's made sure that we were able to inflict a severe blow to pakistan using what was the most modern strategy back then i.e breakthroughs and encirclements.
The Pakistani core commanders were also from the same lot as Indian generals.

gen Niazi fought against the Japanese in the battle of Imphal during WW2.

Gen Tikka Khan fought the Germans in Libya and then moved to Burma to fight Japanese

Rear Admiral Lodhi was among the few 20 RIN officers.

It's is not about the strength its always about the will which the leadership had.

Point is what will a military man as a chief in R&AW do when the PM doesn't agree with him?
 

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Point is what will a military man as a chief in R&AW do when the PM doesn't agree with him?
Argument is not what military men in R&AW can do, argument is to strike the balance within Indian Intel Community. US and UK follows 50:50 pattern, we too should make policy changes to our national security establishment.

National Security is a serious matter in the current day and age as rules of war has changed exponentially.
 

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Such a bloody shame. Worthless politician's gather 100s of guards to protect their oxygen wasting bodies while normal Hindus continue to die.


Until and unless Hindus bear arms their is no proper solution to this misery.
Oxygen wasting, indeed once Yama puts his noose around a throat oxygen must become difficult to obtain.
 

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Argument is not what military men in R&AW can do, argument is to strike the balance within Indian Intel Community. US and UK follows 50:50 pattern, we too should make policy changes to our national security establishment.

National Security is a serious matter in the current day and age as rules of war has changed exponentially.
India is doing well with whatever pattern R&AW is following, improvisation is always there. In 1971 R&AW made sure that when army goes in they come back winning Dhaka in 16 days!
 

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The Pakistani core commanders were also from the same lot as Indian generals.

gen Niazi fought against the Japanese in the battle of Imphal during WW2.

Gen Tikka Khan fought the Germans in Libya and then moved to Burma to fight Japanese

Rear Admiral Lodhi was among the few 20 RIN officers.

It's is not about the strength its always about the will which the leadership had.

Point is what will a military man as a chief in R&AW do when the PM doesn't agree with him?
Rn kao was our little Isser or Isser Haarel , the second chief of Mossad who effectively made mossad what it is today

Those who succeed him were were most of the times retired generals like meir amit or meir dagan but all of them surpassed their predecceors in glory 😤 .
Sadly RAO was never allowed to develop , weakened by successive governments
 

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Argument is not what military men in R&AW can do, argument is to strike the balance within Indian Intel Community. US and UK follows 50:50 pattern, we too should make policy changes to our national security establishment.

National Security is a serious matter in the current day and age as rules of war has changed exponentially.
There is also a point to be made on how underutilized some of our assets are.

Imagine sending one of the most decorated spy and our current NSA to beg done maulana to come out of his hiding whole is a sheer wastage of assets and time and shoes just how useless the state machinery is in front of 0.5 elements.
 

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