India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Current Pakistan regime keen to restart full fledged trade with India, but not much enthusiasm for same in India: Pak media.

Which pak media?

 

[Blademaster]

But will vishwaguru accede to such a disproportionate response even if its India's policy? After all we have the burden of being a "responsible" power and a small matter of the peej praaij.

fuck being a responsible power when someone tries to nuke us. Only acceptable answer is to completely wipe them of the earth. Anything less than that would only embolden our enemies to do more.

 

[maximus777]

fuck being a responsible power when someone tries to nuke us. Only acceptable answer is to completely wipe them of the earth. Anything less than that would only embolden our enemies to do more.

No doubt commonsense dictates such a response, but will that translate into action with vishwaguru's govt under immense international pressure in such a scenario. If history is any indicator, I suspect it will be a tactical response at best. No city busters. Heck, I'd be very surprised if GHQ Pindi would be hit even.

PAF intrusion and attempted attack on a IA brigade HQ on Feb 27th warranted a massive and an overt retaliation, instead we cucked out. I dont care about covert ops in Balochistan.

 

[ezsasa]

Coupta is in a gracious mood today, gracious enough to be on the Indian side for today.
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On anniversary of Kargil Vijay Day, we look at how the debacle took shape in the Pakistani GHQ

 

[FalconSlayers]

I pray to god Musharraf dies tomorrow

 

[flanker99]

I pray to god Musharraf dies tomorrow

That'll be a mercy let him live and watch his country crumble

 

[pankaj nema]

 

[Kumaoni]

Happy Kargil Vijay Diwas

 

[nongaddarliberal]

Happy Kargil Vijay Diwas, folks

 

[Dark Sorrow]

as I said unless u flatten PAK ghq in Rawalpindi things will continue

I beg to differ on this statement sir.
PA is highly decentralized and modular. It is like a state with state.
IA has vertical division (hierarchy) in terms of rank and command structure.
PA has vertical division (hierarchy) and more important horizontal division (based on religious belief, money, geography, political belief, tribes, personal beliefs, etc.)
A solder deployed in PoK might support terrorism for any number of reason even if he has been ordered to stop terrorist activity.
It has been evident from a long time that none of these terrorist organization are under control of ISI or PA.
Even ISI is not under control of PA GHQ, Directorate S itself is not under control of ISI-DG, members of Directorate S are not in control of their boss and assets of Directorate S are not in control of their handlers.

The entire situation is gigantic mess.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Sometimes I feel like that both IA and PA are hand in glove (read back channel diplomacy) where they just regard young soldiers and officers as canon-fodder. Keeping militancy alive and they get to dictate everything to buy fancy new gears (which never reach the soldiers) and force the government to allocate more money to the defence budget and more lobbying for imported toys to play with. Otherwise, if Indian Army and the political leadership was any serious, they would have bombed the hell out of Rawalpindi GHQ decades ago but they never did. Keeping the militancy smoldering helps these IA biggies keep themselves relevant in the scheme of things. Isn;t it true that DSP Davindar Singh was caught with two militants and as of today he is roaming free, though dismissed from service, when he should have been shot!

This is completely true.
Militancy in late 1980s and early 1990s was a separatist and ideological issue.
Today militancy has become a commercial activity for majority of parties involved and these are the parties who are not letting Kashmir issue get settled.

This parties include

1. Import Lobbies and middlemen
2. Russian MIC
3. Few western MIC
4. Some Businessmen

Militancy has become a part of socioeconomic system in some part of Kashmir.
I suggest you watch the movie Lamhaa The Untold Story of Kashmir to get an idea of things work in Kashmir.

 

[kartus]

Kargil War: Why were bodies of the dead soldiers not brought back?

 

[Dark Sorrow]

I pray to god Musharraf dies tomorrow

Why so hostile?
We should be thanking Musharraf.
His action in Kargil permanently defeated Pakistan's stand, stance and cause in international community.
The so called non-state actors aka Freedom Fighters were exposed internationally.
Due to his action they completely lost any legitimacy they ever had in Kashmir and forever lost Kashmir.

 

[pankaj nema]

Imagine GUJRAL or Man Mohan Singh as PM during Kargil

It was Vajpayee's Re assuring leadership which gave India the Clear direction it needed in the Kargil war

 

[Kumaoni]

This is completely true.
Militancy in late 1980s and early 1990s was a separatist and ideological issue.
Today militancy has become a commercial activity for majority of parties involved and these are the parties who are not letting Kashmir issue get settled.

This parties include

1. Import Lobbies and middlemen
2. Russian MIC
3. Few western MIC
4. Some Businessmen

Militancy has become a part of socioeconomic system in some part of Kashmir.
I suggest you watch the movie Lamhaa The Untold Story of Kashmir to get an idea of things work in Kashmir.

Dude what are you talking about? You realize currently the insurgency is more about seperatism than ever right? I mean, wimen throwing bombs at CRPF camps, Mujahideen fighters being compared to Bhagat Singh. Your telling me the Indian army is doing this

 

[Kumaoni]

Why so hostile?
We should be thanking Musharraf.
His action in Kargil permanently defeated Pakistan's stand, stance and cause in international community.
The so called non-state actors aka Freedom Fighters were exposed internationally.
Due to his action they completely lost any legitimacy they ever had in Kashmir and forever lost Kashmir.

Please read what he writes about Indian soldiers in his autobiography

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Please read what he writes about Indian soldiers in his autobiography

It doesn't matter what he wrote or thought.
The only thing that matters his ill-conceived operation in Kargil destroyed Pakistan's stand on Kashmir causing them to forever loose Kashmir.

If you are getting triggered by reading literature of opposing partisan I suggest you avoid reading it.

 

[Kumaoni]

It doesn't matter what he wrote or thought.
The only thing that matters his ill-conceived operation in Kargil destroyed Pakistan's stand on Kashmir causing them to forever loose Kashmir.

If you are getting triggered by reading literature of opposing partisan I suggest you avoid reading it.

When did Pakistan ever have a stand on Kargil

 

[Kumaoni]

When did Pakistan ever have a stand on Kargil

When did anyone take Paks stance seriously on Kargil? Asides from westoid islamist lovers, turkroaches and Chinese masters***

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Dude what are you talking about? You realize currently the insurgency is more about seperatism than ever right? I mean, wimen throwing bombs at CRPF camps, Mujahideen fighters being compared to Bhagat Singh. Your telling me the Indian army is doing this

I am telling militancy has morphed from being ideological and separatist cause to being economic activity.

One more thing just don't utter BS pretending that I said IA is throwing bombs at CRPF camps, Mujahideen fighters being compared to Bhagat Singh.
Just because a certain POV suits your view of the world doesn't mean it is always true.
Real life is not back and white. Every one has their own agenda running in Kashmir.