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We recently stopped refined Palm oil import from Nepal and BD.
Nepal had found a quick fix to address the trade deficit with India by importing crude/ unrefined Palm oil ( through Indian ports?) and reselling to India after refining.
Now after Indian decision, those industry will down their shutters. But hey! They can always sell to China. Palm oil is definitely better and healthier than gutter oil.
All chinese population centers are in the east thousands of miles away from Nepal. Nepal has no access to cheap sea borne trade.. There is only so much trade that Nepal can do with China...
 

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But why should India be worried what KP Sharma Olihas done to save his arse ??

The territory is with India
The road is with India
Indian capability to use the road for military purposes can neither be stopped by Nepal nor China... so the capability remains in place

What can happen maximum is that China may raise shindi by saying that since Lipulekh is disputed they will not allow Mansarovar Yatra from there ...

So be it... Varanasi Hindus will boycott KP Sharma Oli and his entire clan... that is more disastrous than anything else...
 

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Nepal: Falling prey to Chinese intentions
Nepal has taken a lot of money and grants from China, the Chinese will continue to interfere and Nepal's "Pauperism" will continue to be a concern for India

By Dr. Kunwar Pushpendra Pratap Singh -May 18, 2020
Nepal has taken a lot of money and grants from China, the Chinese will continue to interfere and Nepal's
Nepal has taken a lot of money and grants from China, the Chinese will continue to interfere and Nepal's "Pauperism" will continue to be a concern for India
Despite the fact that Nepal has a large population of Hindu religion, Nepal’s growing inclination towards China is a matter of concern for India
The cultures and traditions in the Himalayan region have always been propagated, largely following the laws and principles of nature and thus has remained from the very begum mind, the centre of highest humanitarian values. From a historical viewpoint, if one study and analyse the socio-cultural situation of India, China, Tibet, Nepal and other neighbouring regions of Buddhist era then it will be evident that it is the culture of the Himalayan region which has been acknowledged as the Oriental culture.


The firmness, purity and the vast heritage of the Himalayan culture have always inspired the people of this belt to lead a life of highest values. Lack of mechanical form of transport never became an impediment in the spread of the philosophical teachings of Lord Buddha to various countries of Asia situated, both near and far, from India. Philosophy of Buddha was highly acceptable in the countries like Japan, Sri Lanka, Burma, Afghanistan and Thailand, as a result of which humanity was enriched with highest forms of human values like non-violence (ahimsa), compassion(Daya), empathy (Samaanubhuti), modesty (Vinay) and wisdom (Gyaan).

King Mahendra played the “China card” several times for this, due to which China gave a lot of aids and grants to Nepal around 1960.

It is this culture ingrained with such high values is what may be termed as Right-Wing ideology by the so-called communists of today. These self-proclaimed communists who not only regard Mao Zedong as the greatest ideologue of modern times but also perceive the Maoist form of governance as the best form of the welfare system of governance. They also go on to perceive those who have faith and belief in the Aryan Culture of India as dogmatic, superstitious and reactionary. In independent India, these so-called communists have created so much social anarchy and intolerance that even a peace-loving nation like India is in danger of internal conflicts due to this horde of left-wing ideologues. They narrowly view that the problems would only aggravate in the Indian sub-continent by the Coronavirus invented by China. The followers of Mao (China) have been successful in engulfing Tibet and today the nationalist citizens of Tibet are forced to lead a life of displaced refugees.

If you look at the world map, it is found that after getting captured by the invasion of Tibet, it has become more possible for China to come closer to Nepal. Now Nepal finds itself surrounded between China and India. Despite the fact that Nepal has a large population of Hindu religion, Nepal’s growing inclination towards China is a matter of concern for India. China has maintained its influence over Nepal in terms of strategic issues. The Nepalese monarchy also started establishing relations with China to reduce India’s dominance. King Mahendra played the “China card” several times for this, due to which China gave a lot of aids and grants to Nepal around 1960. This way China infiltrated India-Nepal relations the infiltration consequently benefited China in strategic areas. It is not that India has provided any small amount of money to Nepal, but after the “incursion” of China, the developments by China in Nepal were quite visible. On the other hand, the projects being carried out by India in Nepal were not completed in time whereas the work done by China in Nepal was of very modern nature. Overall, China has made a large investment in Nepal, all of this was initially possible due to Nepal’s monarchy’s attachment to China. Today, the pandemonium of Nepalese is coming to the fore due to leaders like “Prachanda” in Nepalese politics, and since Nepal has taken a lot of money and grants from China, the Chinese will continue to interfere and Nepal’s “Pauperism” will continue to be a concern for India.



Nepal has today become the “client state” of China. In the year 2005, when India and America stopped giving military assistance to Nepal, China promised to give a million US dollars of military assistance to Nepal. Nearly four years after this, China agreed again to provide military assistance of more than twenty crores rupees to Nepal, this amount was to be used for training and strengthening the army of Nepal. Therefore, it is clear that the growing relationship between Nepal and China can prove to be very dangerous for India.
The way Maoism is dominated in Nepal and the way Nepal-China friendship is growing; Nepal should not be too surprised if tomorrow it goes on the way of Pakistan and North Korea. There is a strong possibility that China will provide space, missile and nuclear technology to Nepal. In times to come, Nepal will prove to be a challenge for India from every point of view. Therefore, it is important for India to make a strong presence in SAARC and ASEAN. At the same time, India should build a strong presence of the Army and Air Force in the Himalayan region and the intentions of China need to be brought to the forefront.


In order to maintain peace and progress in Nepal, the government signed a peace treaty (Comprehensive Peace Agreement) from the Prachanda-led Communist Party of Nepal (MAO) in November 2007. Prachanda was always ideologically inclined towards China and leftist leaders based in India. Prachanda already believed that India never wants Nepal’s development, so from time to time, he keeps on increasing barriers on the border areas. But gradually, Prachanda, the only leftist leader of the time, was diminishing and the Communist Party of Nepal currently ruling was divided into two factions, with the Communist Party of Nepal (UML) being led by the current Prime Minister of Nepal, Oli and Prachanda of the Communist Party of Nepal (Mao) took over. Recently, Nepal got its full constitution in 2015, in this constitution also one will get the impression of the influence of China, about which the people of Nepal and other political parties also protested.

Since for long number of differences on several issues kept on emerging between India and China, it is quite possible that in the near future any kind of instability may arise in Nepal.

Many factions are coming out in the Maoists of Nepal, some are part of the government, some are out of government, among them, the Prime Minister of Nepal, Kharag Prasad Oli (K.P.Oli) has the same thinking as the Chinese leaders. Oli has started talking big things and the Nepalese people are seeing daydreams. The situation in Nepal is also like that of a “broker” who can do anything anywhere in view of his profit and loss in time. The Nepalese people, who were known for their loyalties, have become very clever today. Due to their extreme cunning nature, they will make mistakes but they should not make any big mistake in understanding India. Due to long term “guerrilla-style” war and struggle, the thinking of the Maoists have also become like ” guerrilla thinking.” So these Maoists are basically not friends of anyone. At present, there is no such thing as democracy in Nepal. Recently, during the Corona crisis, the people of Tablighi Jamaat hidden in Nepal were sent to India via Siwan and Bettiah of Bihar.

India’s intelligence agencies have uncovered a conspiracy to spread the Coronavirus in India and the involvement of recently caught “Jalim Miyan” who was found in a mosque based in Nepal. It has also been reported to Nepal’s Ministry of Home Affairs that “Jamaatis” are hidden in the border regions adjoining India, as a result of which both countries have sealed their borders. Now, it is very well understood that Pakistan’s ISI has a strong presence in Nepal but the nexus between China, ISI and Nepal based communists, during the Corona pandemic has to be brought in the daylight. Also, the leftist factions present in Nepal are engaged in degrading each other, due to which there is a possibility of violence between the Maoists on the land of Nepal, the damage will be done to the Nepalis.



Seeing Nepal’s democratic system still in progress, both China and Pakistan started to create political instability in Nepal by tying up with Pakistan’s ISI. In Nepal, the pro-China mentality was gradually supported in a secret manner and thus the progressive Nepalese democracy was eventually extended to the pro-China polity. Religiously as well as culturally, the Nepali public is close and considered to be a sibling to the Indian Hindu public. This is not the case for China or Pakistan, so they do not like it. During the tragedy caused by the huge earthquakes that hit Nepal in the last few years, China has shown a great amount of charity and succeeded in the strategy and later on convinced Nepal that China is a much better friend of Nepal than India, but, in reality, it is not so.

Since the followers of Mao Zedong are also present in Nepal and Pakistan’s ISI is also very active in Nepal, it is quite definite and there are high chances that this kind of liaison can create a lot of instability not only in Nepal but also in the areas of India which share their boundaries with Nepal. Nepal in itself is a small country with India on one side and China on the other. Since for long number of differences on several issues kept on emerging between India and China, it is quite possible that in the near future any kind of instability may arise in Nepal. Rumours are such that the Maoists in Nepal with the help of China have created an army. The present government of Nepal believe in favour of establishing close ties with the Chinese establishment, so in future, there are possibilities of growing interference of China in the internal matters of Nepal. With the passing of time, the Chinese activities within Nepal are on a surge, so before the political affairs of Nepal comes completely under Chinese control, it is quite necessary on the part of India to strengthen its relations with Nepal and make efforts to root out completely any possible presence of Pakistan’s ISI from Nepal. Many activities in China are self- destructive. The leading nations of the world must take the necessary steps to isolate China after the world recovers from the Corona crisis.

Our main concern should be to focus on our fight with the present pandemic of Coronavirus and while making necessary steps to take utmost care of the people of our nation also put diligent effort to save the world humanity. The so-called left-wing ideologues, apart from just studying Marx and Mao, must put genuine efforts to understand the philosophy of other great stalwarts such as Gandhi and Buddha. In the coming future, the trilogy of India, Nepal and Tibet will emerge as a new “knowledge superpower.”

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But why should India be worried what KP Sharma Olihas done to save his arse ??

The territory is with India
The road is with India
Indian capability to use the road for military purposes can neither be stopped by Nepal nor China... so the capability remains in place

What can happen maximum is that China may raise shindi by saying that since Lipulekh is disputed they will not allow Mansarovar Yatra from there ...

So be it... Varanasi Hindus will boycott KP Sharma Oli and his entire clan... that is more disastrous than anything else...
India has to do nothing. All this border checkpost by Nepal is nonsense all they have send some 25 police man to border post. Lol.

It's pure gesturing.

It's there ploy to get India to negotiate final boundary settlement which we have been delaying since forever. But we can still keep delaying . No big deal .
 

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All chinese population centers are in the east thousands of miles away from Nepal. Nepal has no access to cheap sea borne trade.. There is only so much trade that Nepal can do with China...
You have got a point, but that is Nepal's headache. Its they who have chosen the China.
If they haven't taken lessons from Pak-China trade ( which is non-existant), it's non of my concern.

Pak- China trade in donkey meat. Nepal can export Yeti meat ( for that, they first have to catch one).
 

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You have got a point, but that is Nepal's headache. Its they who have chosen the China.
If they haven't taken lessons from Pak-China trade ( which is non-existant), it's non of my concern.

Pak- China trade in donkey meat. Nepal can export Yeti meat ( for that, they first have to catch one).
Pakistan can still export to Shanghai from Karachi in a cost effective manner While Nepal has to export via difficult road to population centers a thousand miles away..
Also, 60 lakh nepalis work in India.. That is a ratio of 1:4 where Nepal's population is 2.8 crore. If India sends them back, Nepal infrastructure.. and remittances will collapse
 

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Oh my things are more complicated than previously thought :

India-Nepal border: Communist group tries to march to Lipulekh to plant a Nepali flag, stopped by Nepali villagers

 

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I am a strategic restraint person when it comes to India’s neighbourhood except Pakistan. Having said that now I want a meticulously scripted end game to wipe out every communist gandu in Nepal and turn it back into a Hindu Rashtra.

Nepal must be turned in Hindu Rashtra Laboratory so that the lessons learnt there can be used in India.

Not to mention the response of the Islamo-Christian mafia will be the same. Therefore our project will have both the diagnostic and therapeutic value.

I hope someone from Indian deep state is reading it. My services are available if they want to know how it will be done, how many levels, layers and instruments will be actuated and what kind of resources it will take.
 

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I am a strategic restraint person when it comes to India’s neighbourhood except Pakistan. Having said that now I want a meticulously scripted end game to wipe out every communist gandu in Nepal and turn it back into a Hindu Rashtra.

Nepal must be turned in Hindu Rashtra Laboratory so that the lessons learnt there can be used in India.

Not to mention the response of the Islamo-Christian mafia will be the same. Therefore our project will have both the diagnostic and therapeutic value.

I hope someone from Indian deep state is reading it. My services are available if they want to know how it will be done, how many levels, layers and instruments will be actuated and what kind of resources it will take.
Come to some deep contemplation on the subject. In the subcontinent, we are still going through the crisis of religious divisiveness. exclusive religious egotism and using religion as the trait and characteristic of aggressive nationalism. This has emerged as the dominant trend in the background of the decimation of Hinduism in India by people that mattered and perceived Hinduism as a major threat to their power.

However, due to Islamic Fundamentalism and Political Islamic forces of the subcontinent. we should not fall into the same trap of thinking that Religion is equivalent to nationalism. many events in subcontinent such as 1971 have proved that Religion may always not be a nationalist binding force. However, at the same time it is Force of great magnitude.

We must trade cautiously with respect to Nepal. It is only the so-called Secular Congress and its deep anti-Hindu bureaucracy in Foreign Office and intelligence agencies that worked day and night to obliterate the only declared Hindu nation from the face of the earth. The establishment in Delhi perceived threat even from a weak Hindu Nepal being a state adjacent to them.

Nepal has always been Hindus. And May I ask who facilitated the demise of that Hindu State. Why is our establishment so much against Rajas, Maharajas, traditional Brahminism and Hindus that they can not tolerate them even in weak form. Indian establishment was driven by personal prejudices and hatred towards anything Hindu that they did not spare them even in Nepal.

Let them first decide in South Block what the heck they want? Do they wish to pursue the National Interest agenda or domestic agenda via Nepal. Can not handle even a soft neighbour ???
 
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I am a strategic restraint person when it comes to India’s neighbourhood except Pakistan. Having said that now I want a meticulously scripted end game to wipe out every communist gandu in Nepal and turn it back into a Hindu Rashtra.

Nepal must be turned in Hindu Rashtra Laboratory so that the lessons learnt there can be used in India.

Not to mention the response of the Islamo-Christian mafia will be the same. Therefore our project will have both the diagnostic and therapeutic value.

I hope someone from Indian deep state is reading it. My services are available if they want to know how it will be done, how many levels, layers and instruments will be actuated and what kind of resources it will take.
Really ? Are you serious?

Then begin at home. Free Hindu Temples from the clutches of the anti Hindu Govt establishments.

Donations received in Hindu temples is more than sufficient for "Hindu Nepal" project. No govt of external funding is required. Baba Ramdev , Acharya Bal Krishna and Jaggi vasudev are enough for your Nepal project.
 

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What Happens when you have Goodwill :

Nepali Communist group tries to march to Lipulekh to plant a Nepali flag, stopped by Nepali villagers

http://idrw.org/nepali-communist-gr...flag-stopped-by-nepali-villagers/#more-227860 .

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Days before Nepal Prime Minister KP Oli’s controversial remarks claiming Indian regions of Lipulekh and Kalapani as parts of Nepal, several politically motivated communist Nepalis had reportedly marched towards Lipulekh with the aim of hoisting Nepal’s flag there. However, they were met with stiff resistance from the local Nepali residents who sabotaged their plans of planting a Nepali flag in the Indian region. As per a report in News 18, on 18 May, supporters of Netra Chand Viplav Party of Nepal took out a march for hoisting Nepal’s flag in Lipulekh. The intention behind unfurling the flag in an Indian territory was to assert that Lipulekh belonged to Nepal. However, the Nepali locals from the bordering villages did not allow the communist to carry out their agenda. Chasing out the communist protesters, the locals claimed that they would not let the personal interest of some to affect the relationship with India, an ally with whom they share a relationship of bread and butter. When the team of communist protesters reached Dumling village, the residents of the village reportedly advised them to go back. But, the group remained stubborn in its resolve of unfurling Nepal’s flag in Lipulekh, due to which clashes broke out between the villagers and the communist protesters. Eventually, all the members of the party were forced to submit to villagers’ insistence and return. The leader of the party, Jeevan Bisht, accused the villagers of attacking them, claiming that the locals attacked the members of his party with sticks. The people of Dumling village believe that the friendly relations between India and Nepal existed for centuries and visits like the one made by the protesters could have caused bitterness in the relationship and vitiated the camaraderie shared between the Indians and Nepalis. They suspected that such brinkmanship would have an adverse impact on the lives and livelihoods of the people living along the border and therefore they halted the Nepali protesters from continuing their march towards the Indian region of Lipulekh.

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Namaskar @governorswaraj jee. I happened to read your response to @mkoirala's tweet.That drew my attention. Being a Nepali national and MP of the main oppostion party I felt an urge to respond to it.
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Come to some deep contemplation on the subject. In the subcontinent, we are still going through the crisis of religious divisiveness. exclusive religious egotism and using religion as the trait and characteristic of aggressive nationalism. This has emerged as the dominant trend in the background of the decimation of Hinduism in India by people that mattered and perceived Hinduism as a major threat to their power.

However, due to Islamic Fundamentalism and Political Islamic forces of the subcontinent. we should not fall into the same trap of thinking that Religion is equivalent to nationalism. many events in subcontinent such as 1971 have proved that Religion may always not be a nationalist binding force. However, at the same time it is Force of great magnitude.

We must trade cautiously with respect to Nepal. It is only the so-called Secular Congress and its deep anti-Hindu bureaucracy in Foreign Office and intelligence agencies that worked day and night to obliterate the only declared Hindu nation from the face of the earth. The establishment in Delhi perceived threat even from a weak Hindu Nepal being a state adjacent to them.

Nepal has always been Hindus. And May I ask who facilitated the demise of that Hindu State. Why is our establishment so much against Rajas, Maharajas, traditional Brahminism and Hindus that they can not tolerate them even in weak form. Indian establishment was driven by personal prejudices and hatred towards anything Hindu that they did not spare them even in Nepal.

Let them first decide in South Block what the heck they want? Do they wish to pursue the National Interest agenda or domestic agenda via Nepal. Can not handle even a soft neighbour ???
With due respect I have contemplated on all these aspects before making that assertion.

You can reject something if it had failed before but not something that hasn’t been tried.

Your first response though came very sharp, thought provoking and intelligent but second missed the point completely.

Hinduism may be as imperfect and dysfunctional in India but it can not be an impediment to experiment some thing new on a potentially yielding territories. The word laboratory itself is non binding in its connotation. The other word one can use is interventions which Indians some how have moronically started to think as futile by simplistically looking at their first effect outcomes.
 

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I am a strategic restraint person when it comes to India’s neighbourhood except Pakistan. Having said that now I want a meticulously scripted end game to wipe out every communist gandu in Nepal and turn it back into a Hindu Rashtra.

Nepal must be turned in Hindu Rashtra Laboratory so that the lessons learnt there can be used in India.

Not to mention the response of the Islamo-Christian mafia will be the same. Therefore our project will have both the diagnostic and therapeutic value.

I hope someone from Indian deep state is reading it. My services are available if they want to know how it will be done, how many levels, layers and instruments will be actuated and what kind of resources it will take.
Very good idea. Lets try to bring it to fruition. You are right that we have never had a hindu-rashtra type laboratory in place where we can try different things on small scale before widescale adoption. It is very important to have this capability in our existenial war against adharmics. They have had so many venues, 100s of countries and have perfected what works thru trial n error.
 

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25% of the Nepal population is Madhesi Origin which are culturally more inclined to Mithilla Bihar.

TBH there is RAWs fault in Nepal blunder as well. How come Communism crept into Nepal and our intelligence agencies didn't get a wind of it?
For once we can assume that RAW did report it but Khangress failed to act on the intel.
Antonio Manio has really fucked up our foreign power projection in her ten years of Rule.
2004 to 2014 a decade lost to political incompetence, coincidentally most of Nepals political Revolution happened at the same time from Monarchy to Parliamentary democracy and that too remained unchecked.

Some maggots on this forum itself had advocated against interfering in internal matters of Nepal, now behold of the result. We wanted to be the gud boi and set an example of Country with moral. But this is Kalyug morlity can be bought in the market. China being the bad boi that they are interfered in Nepal and made a favorable environment for themselves.

People saying this is gonna calm down if Oli is removed, let me make this clear it will not. This matter is set in the national agenda in the nation and no political party will ever try to rearrange its map. Damage has been done.

China- 1 India- 0

Morality has fucke* us in the arse time and time again yet people refuse to learn.
 

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