India in Afghanistan - regional diplomacy and interests after US withdrawal.

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Some Money minting for Pakistan doing Jihadi bussiness.
China, Central Asia, Russia will all seek Paki help now, to contain jihadi influx.. Quite some money to be made there by Pak Army.. As much as this jihadi business has damaged Pakistan, the Generals will never give it up.. because Jihadis are the most important instrument of Pakistan's foreign policy..and that's the only trick that the Paki Generals know well..
 

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China, Central Asia, Russia will all seek Paki help now, to contain jihadi influx.. Quite some money to be made there by Pak Army.. As much as this jihadi business has damaged Pakistan, the Generals will never give it up.. because Jihadis are the most important instrument of Pakistan's foreign policy..and that's the only trick that the Paki Generals know well..
Pakistan doesn't control Taliban. Especially if Taliban takes total control.

Once that happens, Pakistan will need help itself to control the spillover in it's own territory, forget Russia or China.

For every Indian soldier that dies, there'll be ten dead Pakistani in Pakistan.
Taliban isn't a uniform army. It's a loose group.
Some will sympathize with PTM, some may join Labbaik and many will go to TTP after they're unemployed and left with no war to fight.

Why would Taliban follow the orders of Pakistan when they know they can take it?
It's not a joke to smuggle thousands of armed cave dwellers across an entire country and not have them blow up mid journey.

Once Taliban realizes it'll be easier to take over Pakistan than jump the Indian fence, they'll start destabilizing the Porki state.
No US, China or Russia aid, will probably get them blacklisted under FATF, will make the world paranoid about their nukes leading to efforts to denuclearize it and lay bare the disastrous hellhole of an idea that is Jinnah's Pakistan.

You guys seriously think a group that cannot even imagine an educated woman as anything other than a whore or tolerate an unbearded man and wants to force everyone of them to larp with them to make an Islamic Larpifa will tolerate these lahoriya cuties roaming around in tight, itsy bitsy jeansies and dancing and singing and actually living a human's life.

Naw, maties. Naw.
 
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China, Central Asia, Russia will all seek Paki help now, to contain jihadi influx.. Quite some money to be made there by Pak Army.. As much as this jihadi business has damaged Pakistan, the Generals will never give it up.. because Jihadis are the most important instrument of Pakistan's foreign policy..and that's the only trick that the Paki Generals know well..
Not exactly the case now. Taliban are not entirely dependent on Pakistan. Pakistani Taliban trump card may not work this time.
 

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What's your angle here.. or maybe given how cowardly India was in the 90s, in abandoning Najibullah.. maybe 56 inch got cold feet, and does not want to annoy Taliban by meeting Afghan Army Chief..
At the end of the day, India does seem to be not trust worthy.. and more of a fair weather friend..
That chin commie mk bhadrakumar was sent to afghanistan to save najibullah may be he was compromised by usa as in 90s china and usa were partners in afghanistan.
 

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Not exactly the case now. Taliban are not entirely dependent on Pakistan. Pakistani Taliban trump card may not work this time.
It does not matter if Afghan Taliban are not entirely dependent on Pakistan.. Its just that Pak Army have more influence than others.. All the major Afghan Taliban leaders and their families are based in Pakistan. It's the Pakistani madrassas and the steady stream of thousands of Jihadi fighters that keep the Taliban offensive going.. Considering high Taliban casualties, the Taliban offensive will come to a halt without Pakistan.
So, neighbours will seek Pakistan's help to get things done in Afghanistan. Even if Pakistan delivers 30 percent of the time, its still good..
 

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It does not matter if Afghan Taliban are not entirely dependent on Pakistan.. Its just that Pak Army have more influence than others.. So, neighbours will seek Pakistan's help to get things done in Afghanistan. Even if Pakistan 30 percent of the time, its still good..
No, Pakistan is isolated. Only some back channel talks.

All the neighbors are fed up with the double game Pakistanis pay to milk money and to implement its designs.

No one dials Islamabad these days. Almost all neighbors have started talks between themselves to deal with the situation.
 

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No, Pakistan is isolated. Only some back channel talks.

All the neighbors are fed up with the double game Pakistanis pay to milk money and to implement its designs.

No one dials Islamabad these days. Almost all neighbors have started talks between themselves to deal with the situation.
No, porkis aren’t isolated entirely not yet at least. Almost all of these talks conducted by different states all had Porkis in it. Porkis are still able exert small to medium level of influence over the Afghan Taliban terrorists because Afghan Taliban depends on the Porkis for weapons, manpower and drug trade. Ones Afghan Taliban takes full power control over Afghanistan they won’t give a shit about the porkis as there usefulness has come to an end for them.
 

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What's your angle here.. or maybe given how cowardly India was in the 90s, in abandoning Najibullah.. maybe 56 inch got cold feet, and does not want to annoy Taliban by meeting Afghan Army Chief..
At the end of the day, India does seem to be not trust worthy.. and more of a fair weather friend..
Yes, India could very easily support Afghan government in this conflict. Indian defence organizations and companies like Indian Ordance Factories, HAL and BDL are always crying for customers but they some how they miss Afghanistan. Afghanistan is perfect place to show the prowess of Indian weapons industry. Almost all US weapons India and other countries have bought were all tested on the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq. No country buys untested weapons or vehicles. How can India sell weapons to other states if they aren’t combat proven or combat capable. HAL especially could help bolster the Afghan Air Force which has serious aircraft and weapon shortage helicopters such as HAL Dhruv, Rudra and LCH and Aircraft such as HAL HTT-40 or HJT-36 which are currently trainers but can be retrofitted or new variants can be produced that can turn them into light attack aircrafts will help the government take back the country from the terrorist groups.
 

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Nice article from opindia. covers all major plot points in Taliban's rise.
just one disagreement is that american's were not stupid, they knew exactly what ISI was doing. they simply chose to ignore since USSR was target no.1. US has a habit of looking the other way, when strategic goals are involved.
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At first, Afghans backed the Taliban by giving them a chance. For Afghans, who had witnessed a long war, the Taliban promised two things. Security to Afghans and a truce among mujahideen groups that continued to fight to control Afghan lands

 

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What's your angle here.. or maybe given how cowardly India was in the 90s, in abandoning Najibullah.. maybe 56 inch got cold feet, and does not want to annoy Taliban by meeting Afghan Army Chief..
At the end of the day, India does seem to be not trust worthy.. and more of a fair weather friend..
Well I am talking about the pressure exerted on afghans by Uncle Sam. Look they are saying that stop running to India for help, we will use B52s in support of ANA. You can look into the air activity for the last week. It seems that Uncle Sam has made the truce with larger picture in mind. I fail to understand the future designs in the region. Uncle Sam won't have left Afghanistan withouts any assurances and to some extent support for their future policies. India has a fair policy of not supporting and talking to the thrashabans. It will provide dividends in future. There is no need to shift the policy. I agree that Dr najib was not handled well back at that time, otherwise he would have been the Afghan president in 2002, and the dividends would have been enormous.....
 

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No, Pakistan is isolated. Only some back channel talks.

All the neighbors are fed up with the double game Pakistanis pay to milk money and to implement its designs.

No one dials Islamabad these days. Almost all neighbors have started talks between themselves to deal with the situation.
Who told you that?
As the second or third largest neighbor of Afgan, there is no peace talk of Afgan can exclude Pakistan.
Pakistan may not have the power to make Afgan better, but she definitely can make Afgan worse. After so many years of war, everyone, not only Afgan people, but all her neighbors want a stable Afgan.
 

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Who told you that?
As the second or third largest neighbor of Afgan, there is no peace talk of Afgan can exclude Pakistan.
Pakistan may not have the power to make Afgan better, but she definitely can make Afgan worse. After so many years of war, everyone, not only Afgan people, but all her neighbors want a stable Afgan.
If Pakistan wants stable Afghanistan why support Taliban?

if China wants stable afghan why support Pakistan?

pakistan is diplomatically isolated even on Afghanistan issue, apart form turkey and China.

if Pakistan continues in the same path it will be FATF black listed.
 

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