India developing Chabahar in Iran port for access to Central Asia

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It will be wise if US teams up with India, tones down rhetoric against Iran and start using Chabbar port bypassing pakistan. Will be a win win situation.
America prefers coutries which are under army or dictators asllies so it can easily armtwist them.In case of iran and india both being proud old civilizations cant be arm twisted by usa so usa goes against them.
 

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Ok, so enough of speculation about this railway line from Chabahar to Iran-Afghanistan border. Let me quote from IRCON (Indian Railways Construction) sources that there are no current ongoing projects in Iran by them. If GoI actually undertakes this project, it will most likely be done by IRCON. Even if this was supposed to be a secret project, our hawk-eyed media would surely have gotten a whiff!

Completed Projects:

BRAZIL
Formulate a rolling plan for implementation on FCA Line of 7,250 KM and work over out a comprehensive framework for rehabilitation work over the next 8 years taking into account their existing fleet and resources.

IRAQ
Construction of a high speed railway line (250 Kmph) on MUSSAYEB- KERBALA- SAMAWA section in IRAQ on turn- key basis (1981- 1984)- US$ 350 million
Construction of new railway line at AL MUTHANNA in IRAQ on turn- key basis (1985- 1987)- US$ 130 million

ALGERIA
Construction of railway line for SAIDA CEMENT PLANT in ALGERIA on turn- key basis (1984-1987)-US$20 million
Construction of new railway line at BENISEF in ALGERIA involving huge earthwork, 70 meter viaducts etc., a turn- key project (1985-1988)- US$ 80 million IRAQ

MALAYSIA
Rehabilitation of 327 Kms. track (Mtr. Gauge) from PALOH to SINGAPORE & from SLIM RIVER to SEREMBAN MAIN LINE in MALAYSIA (1988-1994)- US$ 70 million
Double tracking of RAWANG SEREMBAN railway line in MALAYSIA (1990- 1994)- US$ 62 million
Double tracking of KL PORT KLANG railway line (including spur line to SUBANG and SENTUL) in MALAYSIA (1991-1994)- US$ 66 million
Widening of railway tunnel near SEREMBAN in MALAYSIA (1994-1995)- US$ 4 million
Track linking from PORT KLANG to PULAU INDAH in MALAYSIA (1997-1999)- US$ 4 million
Construction of railway bridges, road over bridges and underpasses on RAWANG KAJANG section in MALAYSIA (1991-1994)- US$ 6 million
Construction of railway bridges, road over bridges and underpasses on KAJANG SEREMBAN section in MALAYSIA (1991-1994)- US$ 16 million
Construction of railway culverts and box pushing on NILAI SEREMBAN section in MALAYSIA (1994- 1995)-US$ 4 million
Construction of PELABUHAN TANJUNG- PELEPAS- JOHAR rail link in MALAYSIA (1999- 2002)- US$ 121 million
Track works at KUALA LUMPUR central station (1999-2001)-RM 14.3 million
Track Rehabilitation project, Malaysia - (A) Track rehabilitaion in Taiping-Bukit Merha section 309.81 Million. (B) Track rehabilitation in Pedang Rengus-Sungai Siput section 150.25 Million.(C) Track rehabilitation in Sumgai Siput-Ipoh section 152.67 Million. (D) Track rehabilitation in Bukit Merah-Parit Buntar section 152.67 Million. (E) Track rehabilitation in Parit Buntar-Bukit Mertajam section 0.90 Million.
Lease and Maintenance of YDM4 locomotives (15 Nos locomotives from Jan 07 to Dec 07) Rs. 151.59 million.

BANGLADESH
Rehabilitation and dual gauging the existing B G Rail Line, 245 Route KM (290 KM Track) between Parbatipur to Jamtoli of Bangladesh Railway including Signalling & Telecommunication and other allied works for Jamuna Bridge Rail Link Project, Contract No. 2 (2003-2004) - US$ 68 Million.

MOZAMBIQUE
Study, Design and Rehabilitation of of Dona Ana Bridge (Awarded to RICON (RITES - IRCON JV)) - Rs.268.71 Million (RICON's)
Supply of Prestressed Monoblock Concrete Sleepers for Cape Gauge [CETA - RICON (RITES - IRCON JV)]. -Rs. 491.65 Million (RICON's)

Ongoing Projects:

MOZAMBIQUE
Mozambique : Beira Rail Concession Project - PMC from Beira Rail Co. (CCFB) to RICON (IRCON - RITES JV) - US$ 0.13 Mn.
Supply of Stone Ballast for Sena Line of Beira Railway Corridor [CETA - RICON (RITES - IRCON JV)]. - Rs. 221.68 Million (RICON's)
Rehabilitation of 670 kms of Cape Gauge of Sena line between Dondo and Moatize, including branch lines of Inhamitanga - Marromeu and Dona Ana-Vila Nova in the central part of Mozambique which includes laying of track with long welded rails on Mono Block Prestressed Concrete Sleepers and other anciliary works (RICON : RITES - IRCON JV) - 1601.94 Million (RICON's)

MALAYSIA
Design, construction, completion, testing, commissioning and maintenance of the doulbe track project between Seremban and Gemas.

ALGERIA
The accomplishment of double track line (93 km) between OUED-SLY and YELLELL of line Algiers-Oran line.

SRILANKA
Souther Railway Line Upgradating Project- Upgradation of Colombo- Matara coastal railway line under indian line of credit.
Restoration of Railway line Omanthai to Pallai in Sri Lanka - Rs. 8426.40 Million
Costal rehabilitation Phase-II (Kalutara-Galle) Railway line in Sri-Lanka - Rs. 1898.40 Million

Clients:
  • Aquaba Railway Corporation, Jordan
  • Bangladesh Railways, BANGLADESH
  • CFM - Government of Mozambique
  • FCA (Ferrovia Centro - Atlantica S. A.), Brazil
  • Director General, S.N.T.F., ALGERIA
  • Ministry of Transport & Communication, Government of IRAQ.
  • Ministry of Transport, Government of MALAYSIA
  • Ministry of Communication, INDONESIA
  • Nigerian Railway
  • Philippines National Railways- Philippines
  • Saudi Railway Organisation- SAUDI ARABIA
  • State Railway of Thailand
  • Sudan Railway Corporation
  • Zambian Railways, ZAMBIA

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It's America's prerogative whether they wish to use Chabahar or not..it makes sense for India to route their trade through there. I'm sure the Pakis will be busy plotting how to put a spanner in there and stymie our trade with Central Asia.
 

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Gwadar was developed by the Chinese to suit its interest. So majority of the business will come from the Chinese only. I dont think any CAS will take the risk of transiting through Pakistan. Iran is a far far better option. Iranians are not crazy like the Pakistanis. They are doing pretty well. Their belligerence is also pretty well calibrated.
 

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Gwadar was developed by the Chinese to suit its interest. So majority of the business will come from the Chinese only. I dont think any CAS will take the risk of transiting through Pakistan. Iran is a far far better option. Iranians are not crazy like the Pakistanis. They are doing pretty well. Their belligerence is also pretty well calibrated.
But Pakistanis very much are. Plus any Indian trade via Chabahar may have to transit some distance through Paki territorial waters (can someone confirm?), which is the prefect setting for "non-state actors". Expect Pak to play dirty here, so we must be on our guard at all times.
 
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But Pakistanis very much are. Plus any Indian trade via Chabahar may have to transit some distance through Paki territorial waters (can someone confirm?), which is the prefect setting for "non-state actors". Expect Pak to play dirty here, so we must be on our guard at all times.
Mate that slur is not allowed here.

No any transit through Iran will not pass through any Pakistani territory or waters.
 

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But Pakistanis very much are. Plus any Indian trade via Chabahar may have to transit some distance through Paki territorial waters (can someone confirm?), which is the prefect setting for "non-state actors". Expect Pakis to play dirty here, so we must be on our guard at all times.
Well, to reach Chabahar, one does not necessarily need to pass through Pakistani territorial waters and note the Zaranj-Delaram road in the map as well:


The bigger threat is from real non-state actors, such as Somali pirates. Now, to add a spark-to-the-nozzle, what if these 'non-state actors' were funded by a 'state'?
 

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Chabahar has very good future and India and Iran together had huge plans to link it to Afghanistan through Rails and Road but recent sanctions seems to have stopped the momentum to develop it . If Iran is ready to back down from its stand on Nuclear issue it will be a win win situation for all of us . USA can easily send its supply to Afghanistan while Iran will gain politically as well as financially. Someone should tell ahmedinijad that its Money that speaks louder than Bombs. They should learn something from Pakistan , Bombs have given them nothing.
 

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What Business does Gwadar handle that it will loose it to Chabhar .Gwadar is just an example of Pakistani self delusional thinking .They were projecting Gwadar as Dubai.

But Gwadar handles only GOP cargo and otherwise is just vacant No commercial cargo is handled. What is the size of Pakistan economy.
Karachi and Bin QAsim port near Karachi can handle all of Pakistani requirements.
 

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What Business does Gwadar handle that it will loose it to Chabhar .Gwadar is just an example of Pakistani self delusional thinking .They were projecting Gwadar as Dubai.

But Gwadar handles only GOP cargo and otherwise is just vacant No commercial cargo is handled. What is the size of Pakistan economy.
Karachi and Bin QAsim port near Karachi can handle all of Pakistani requirements.
CHina has huge stake in Gwadar and are planning to use it to ship goods to china . Thats the reason they are building Rail and roads to connect Gwadar to Mainland. Truth is that Gwadar is Chinese port built on Pakistani land.
 

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Ok, so enough of speculation about this railway line from Chabahar to Iran-Afghanistan border. Let me quote from IRCON (Indian Railways Construction) sources that there are no current ongoing projects in Iran by them. If GoI actually undertakes this project, it will most likely be done by IRCON. Even if this was supposed to be a secret project, our hawk-eyed media would surely have gotten a whiff!
wow i didnt know that
 

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Well, to reach Chabahar, one does not necessarily need to pass through Pakistani territorial waters and note the Zaranj-Delaram road in the map as well:


The bigger threat is from real non-state actors, such as Somali pirates. Now, to add a spark-to-the-nozzle, what if these 'non-state actors' were funded by a 'state'?
My point precisely. Enroute to shipments moving to India, this is a very real possibility.
 

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America prefers coutries which are under army or dictators asllies so it can easily armtwist them.In case of iran and india both being proud old civilizations cant be arm twisted by usa so usa goes against them.
Shallow argument mate, In Geo politics there is no permanent friends/enemies there is only permanent interests. If US interests gets aligned with iran. then situation will change
 

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Shallow argument mate, In Geo politics there is no permanent friends/enemies there is only permanent interests. If US interests gets aligned with iran. then situation will change
usa opposing iran is all about geopolitics of the middle-east only....Take a pick between arabs and Persians.
 

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usa opposing iran is all about geopolitics of the middle-east only....Take a pick between arabs and Persians.
So I think we are on same page. Once interests gets aligned, they can come on board right
 

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My point precisely. Enroute to shipments moving to India, this is a very real possibility.
Indian navy warships are already patrolling that area. We could add more assets if required.
 

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So I think we are on same page. Once interests gets aligned, they can come on board right
I think back door channels are always open. Iran too I think wants to get a deal with the west, its belligerent stand is just to get max concessions.
 

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Yes, that is quite true. The US seems to be obsessed with Iran. They (Iran) aren't even one-tenth as bad as Pakistan. Yet, they (US) keep bailing out Pakistan with stacks of greenback while pestering and needling Iran at every given moment. One good thing India did this time was tell Obama and his retinue, that India shall decide how it wants to deal with Iran and US interference is not appreciated.
Guys, US is only a client in this issue; the one that has problem with Iran is Israel since Ahmadinejad is obsessed with 'wiping them off the map' all for the sake of expanded influence in Arabian peninsula, having said so a dozen times already. US is simply being obsessed for Israel's safety and that counts a big deal. On Pakistan's matter, I agree. Iranian government (other than their obsession with Israel-hating) is quite okay and likes to be left on its own. The problem is during Shah's rule, Iran was totally US's 56th state. Oil was taken out at dirt cheap prices in exchange for flashy "American magic" and everything was going good. But post-Revolution, the mullas became obsessed with anti-Americanism and used Islamic ideology to fight this. It is in short a very aggressive version of the shock US got from us in 90s after manhandling Pakistan according to its whims for so many decades-- since it considered both of us on same level during Cold war.

The only reason why this GOI was able to silence Obama was because BO is passive. Had it been a Republican, MMS and his UPA would have caved in flat.
 

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I've heard in the video ajtr put up about Najam Sethi yesterday that Pakistan is planning to transfer operation of the Gawadr port from a Singapore company, in whose possession it now is, to China, in tandem with the widening of the K2 highway. This is not good, because the Singapore company was playing ball so far. Mismanagement, lack of a sense of direction coupled with the government's ineptitude and failure to complete infrastructure on time, meant that the Gawadr was being pushed back to a further fully-operationalization date, even as the Chabahar went from strength to strength. But with the Chinese, you can be sure they won't do this. They'll make sure things get completed on time, and the debacle resolved within a matter of months. Which is why, it is now of the utmost urgency that something be done about Pakistan in general, and Gawadr and Balochistan in particular. If China completes that network of Central Asia-Arabian Peninsula linkage, we can kiss our influence in that region goodbye.
 

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Looking at the maps, the Chabahar port is very close to Baluchistan border..means that Pakistan can use groups like Jundallah to create disturbances there. This is where Baluch disturbances come into play. An unstable Baluchistan means Pakis will have their work cut out to secure the Gwadar infrastructure connectivity. But still we must watch for any attempts by them to sabotage our initiatives.
 

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