India developing Chabahar in Iran port for access to Central Asia

[Screambowl]

I mean at least just preventing exports from falling. Can it be done?

EU had put a ban on industrial steel coming from Ind and China as it threatened their domestic industries. Don't know if they have removed it.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

EU had put a ban on industrial steel coming from Ind and China as it threatened their domestic industries. Don't know if they have removed it.

TATA steel is giving tough time to UK's domestic steel industry(according to that British forum).

 

[sayareakd]

We can have good market in these countries. We can sell in these countries below cost price by selling it at veriable price.

Most important point we need to get US into our side both for financing as well as sending NATO supplies through this route.

For men NATO can use Pakistan.

 

[Screambowl]

TATA steel is giving tough time to UK's domestic steel industry(according to that British forum).

yes TATA was ready to leave and not wait for a second which had put many firangs in jobless status. Hence they had to accept the conditions of TATA

 

[Meteor]

Afghanistan can kill off Gwadar by denying Pakistan access to Central Asia.

 

[sorcerer]

India pulling all stops to raise funds for Chabahar Por

NEW DELHI: India is not just stopping at a trilateral agreement with Afghanistan and Iran to operationalise the strategically located Chabahar Port — gateway to landlocked Kabul and Central Asia — but is pulling all stops to raise funds for the project.

After the PM announced $500 million in Tehran last week for the port complex, Delhi may host an international investors' conference — to generate funds for Chabahar — with participation from all three stakeholders besides Ce ..


http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

 

[Indx TechStyle]

India to export USD 150 mn rails for Chabahar port next month
The pact to develop the Chabahar port and other infrastructure was inked last month during Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to Persian Gulf nation.
BY: PTI | NEW DELHI |UPDATED: JUNE 16, 2016 7:50 PM

Indian steel companies will export rails worth USD 150 million to Iran next month as part of a pact between the two countries for developing railway and other infrastructure at strategically important Chabahar port.

“The maiden consignment of rail from India worth USD 150 million would be sent to Iran in July,” a top official told PTI after Ambassador of Iran to India Gholamreza Ansari called on Road Transport and Highways Minister today.

The consignment of rails will be shipped by steel companies, the official said, adding that both Gadkari and Ansari deliberated on taking further the historic pact between the nations on the strategic Chabahar Port in southern Iran
which will give India access to Afghanistan and Europe bypassing Pakistan.

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The pact to develop the Chabahar port and other infrastructure was inked last month during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Persian Gulf nation. Gadkari last month said that India would invest billions of dollars in setting up industries — ranging from aluminium smelter to urea plants — in Iran’s Chabahar free trade zone.

Also, railway PSU IRCON will build a rail line at Chabahar to move goods right up to Afghanistan. The rail links are being built so that the land-locked Afghanistan can get access to the Iranian port as an alternative to the Pakistani port of Karachi.

The official said that a meeting is also “scheduled next month between Shipping Minister and his Iranian counterpart to develop a workplan for industrial needs and investments needed for Chabahar free trade zone”. The focus will be setting up industries in the Chabahar free trade zone.

Besides the bilateral pact to develop the Chabahar port for which India will invest USD 500 million, a trilateral agreement on transport and transit corridor has also been signed by India, Afghanistan and Iran, which the Prime Minister said could “alter the course of the history of the region”.

Also, Gadkari has been stressing that the distance between Kandla and the Chabahar port is less than the distance between New Delhi and Mumbai and the pact would enable India quick movement of goods first to Iran and then onwards to Afghanistan and Russia through a new rail and road link.

“Over Rs 1 lakh crore investment can happen in Chabahar free trade zone,” he had said.

 

[Vishwarupa]

Read on DailyO a very sad historical blunder:

Between 1783 and 8th September 1958, Gwadar port in Baluchistan was with Sultan of Oman. Khan of Kalat gave to him. Sultan of Oman offered Gwadar port as a GIFT to India in 1950s. But our "great" Nehru declined it!! Eventually Oman sold it to Pakistan for $3 million in 1958.

Today Gwadar is a very important port strategically. China has control now for 40 years. India has to build Chabahar in Iran.

Another blunder of Nehru Losing track of Nehru's list of blunders

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Chabahar port may become operational in 1.5-2 years: Govt

Commercial operations at the Chabahar port are expected to start in the 18-24 months, which will provide India increased connectivity to Russia and North Baltic countries, among others, Parliament was informed today.

"Overall, it is expected that it will take 18-24 months for commercial operations to commence at Chabahar Port," Minister of State for Shipping P Radhakrishnan said in a written reply in the Rajya Sabha.

CIS countries like Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, etc and alternative to North South Corridor (access to Russia and North Baltic countries)."

The West Coast of India with ports like Kandla (550 Nautical Miles) and Mumbai/JNPT (786 Nautical Miles) will get the maximum benefit, he added.

On funds that India will provide to Iran, Radhakrishnan said: "Making credit of USD 150 million available for development of phase 1 of the port, within 4 months of receiving their application through Central Bank of Iran. Equipping both terminals with equipment worth USD 85 million within 18 months above funding.

Though Gwadar projected conducted by China is way bigger project, it'll take till 2030 to get operational too.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

India, Afghanistan And Iran Are Pretty Serious About Chahbahar, Investment Summit Lined Up To Promote Port

Modi with Iran’s Rouhani and Afghanistan’s Ashraf Ghani, signing the Chahbahar Treaty (Pool / Iran Presidency/Anadolu Agency/GettyImages)

India, Afghanistan and Iran are pushing ahead with the Chahbahar Port project, with New Delhi planning to host a global investors’ summit in the next two months to raise awareness about its potential economic benefits to the region.

The decision was taken during a meeting between top officials from India, Afghanistan and Iran in New Delhi. It was hosted by Transport Minister Nitin Gadkari and attended by his counterparts Abbas Akhoundi of Iran and Mohamadullah Batash of Afghanistan.

This follows the signing of a key connectivity pact, aimed at opening up an alternative route to world markets for Afghanistan other than relying on Pakistan.

“The main aim of the conference that India could host is to sensitise the countries in the region of the investment potential in Chahbahar as well as the free trade zone coming up next to the port,” a source confirmed.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi signed the trilateral Chahbahar Treaty in Tehran in May, along with representatives from Iran and Afghanistan. It aims to create a free-trade corridor of road and rail networks from the Chahbahar Port in Iran to Afghanistan.

The Chahbahar Port is Iran’s only port with direct access to the ocean and will be developed by India for $500 million.

Meanwhile, the move by the three countries to move quickly on Chahbahar comes after Kabul last month threatened to shut the Afghan transit route for Pakistani exports to central Asia if Islamabad does not allow Afghan traders to use Lahore’s Wagah border for trade with India.

The comments came after Pakistan refused to allow India to send 170,000 tonnes of wheat to Afghanistan.

There were also talks of creating an “air corridor” between India and Afghanistan for aircraft ferrying Afghan produce like fruits. Kabul is completely dependent on Karachi port for its exports.

“We are certainly looking at making this formal — an air corridor between our businesses and India,” Afghanistan’s Ambassador to India, Shaida Abdali, said.

http://swarajyamag.com/insta/india-...ar-investment-summit-lined-up-to-promote-port

 

[SANITY]

India slow to develop Chabahar port as China races ahead at rival hub
When the leaders of India, Iran and Afghanistan gathered in Tehran in the spring for a ceremony marking India's development of a strategic Iranian port, they recited Persian poetry and said their partnership would "alter the course of history".

On a recent visit, roughly 13 years after India first agreed to develop the port ofChabahar, a single ship floated at the main jetty. Most of the cargo containers scattered in an asphalt lot bore the logo of the state-owned Islamic Republic of Iran Shipping Lines. In an adjacent harbor, a dozen wooden dhows, or traditional fishing boats, bobbed in the water.

Months after the ceremony in May and pledges by India to inject $500 million into the project, the much-heralded port of Chabahar remains a sleepy outpost – as well as a shadow of the Chinese-built port of Gwadar, 100 kilometers (62 miles) to the east across Iran's border with Pakistan.

"What you're seeing is the problem with many of the Indian commitments abroad,” said Sameer Patil, an analyst at Gateway House, a research organization in Mumbai. “Once a prime minister makes that commitment, the parties find it difficult to move the process forward. The Indian bureaucracy takes its sweet time.”

Chabahar was supposed to be an easy win: India would bankroll a hub to rival the China-Pakistan partnership at Gwadar, Iran would get a major ocean port outside the Strait of Hormuz and spur growth in its poor eastern region, and Afghanistan would gain road and rail links to a deep-water port that could boost its war-ravaged economy. But more than a decade on, the strategic asset is languishing, even as China sinks $45 billion into the China Pakistan Economic Corridor that winds down to Gwadar.

"They should've given the contract to the Chinese," said Zheng Ke, a 37-year-old businessman from China, speaking in Persian at his supermarket in Chabahar's free trade zone as Iranian customers snapped up Chinese-made clothes and kitchen utensils and streamed through check-outs staffed by Chinese workers. "They'd get the port done in no time."

Despite the project's importance, Indians and Iranians haggled for two years over who would pay $30 million of excise duties on port equipment imported into Iran, according to Iranian diplomat Hamid Mosadeghi.

"The slowness comes from these small things," said Mosadeghi, who heads the economic section at Iran's embassy in New Delhi. "Both sides want to expedite this."

For Prime Minister Narendra Modi, Chabahar could aid his goals of integrating South Asia’s economies and boosting India's stature in the region. However, the slow pace of its development has drawn criticism.

"With China and Pakistan developing Gwadar just a few kilometers away, India cannot afford either delay or inattention to this vital port," said Shashi Tharoor, a lawmaker with India's opposition Congress Party and chairman of a parliamentary committee on foreign affairs.

Chabahar could be a linchpin for the region’s economy. It's close to the western Indian ports of Kandla, Mundra and Mumbai and could help India’s farmers get cheaper access to fertilizers and other commodities from central Asia and beyond.

New Jetties
"We are dependent substantially on urea, ammonia and fertilizers, and given Chabahar's geographic proximity, the transport costs are negligible," India's ambassador to Iran,Saurabh Kumar, said in an interview in Tehran.

Chabahar is also crucial for land-locked Afghanistan. The deal includes a north-south railroad that could help the country exploit an estimated $1 trillion of untapped mineral wealth and reduce its reliance on aid.

India will invest $85 million in equipment and lend $150 million for the first phase, which includes two terminals and five jetties, according to Kumar. Transport ministers from Iran, India and Afghanistan met last week in New Delhi to assess progress.

"We have not fallen behind in the Chabahar port development plans," Iranian Transport Minister Abbas Akhoundi said after the meeting on Sept. 28. “This plan is being carried out at the appropriate speed."

Geopolitical 'Race'
Chabahar may even benefit China. The country, which deepened trade ties with Iran after the US and European Union tightened sanctions in 2012, could cash in on the gradual re-opening of the Islamic Republic's $400 billion economy.

Beijing is also expanding its footprint elsewhere in the Gulf: A unit of China’s biggest shipping group, Cosco Shipping Co., signed a deal on Sept. 28 to build and operate a container terminal in the United Arab Emirates.

"There is a race," said Patil, the Gateway House analyst. “But the ground reality is that the Chinese commitments in the region are already up and running, while Indian’s proposals remain proposals.”

Islamic Militants
For Iranians, the new investment can’t come soon enough. Sanctions, which were eased in January, exacerbated poverty in Sistan-Baluchestan, Iran’s poorest province, where security forces are fighting insurgents and face a threat from Islamic State militants across the border in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Once developed, Chabahar will be able to handle large cargo ships and will no longer need UAE ports to act as intermediaries by off-loading goods on to smaller boats.

The project will also lessen Iran’s vulnerability to possible disruptions in the Strait of Hormuz, said Abdolrahim Kordi, deputy head of economic affairs at the Chabahar Free Trade Zone. If the Strait, a shipping bottleneck at the mouth of the Gulf, were to be blocked due to regional hostilities, Chabahar would be “the only point that can connect Iran to open seas,” he said.

At Zheng's supermarket overlooking the port, any payoff from Chabahar’s development remains a distant prospect.

"It'll bring more goods here of course, but who knows when it’ll be done,” Zheng said.

 

[amoy]

Cosco Shipping, one of world's top shipping giants is controlled by Chinese. Wherever Chinese invest in port facilities globally Cosco moves in to call the port with cargo in transit, such as Piraeus, Colombo and Panama. That would boost the port's operations and hence profitability. They're perfectly complementary.

Even if Chahabar is completed on time as Indians commit, it would most likely remain as a secondary outport for handling cargo relayed from hub ports like Dubai. Cosco of course won't call Chahabar since it is investing in an UAE terminal, and is so close to Gwadar the competing port. Most other shipping lines would follow suit based on scale of economy.

Other cards in Chinese cuff include enticing Cental Asian stans or pressuring Afghans into using Gwadar to maximize its productivity.

Besides Iran relies on Chinese shipyards for shipbuilding.

Previously Chinese shipyards, including Dalian, had built large oil tankers for NITC in an order worth $1.2 billion between 2012 and 2013, Reuters has reported.

State financing and lower costs would make China a dominant player in the Iranian shipping industry versus Asian rivals South Korea and Singapore, said Reza Mostafavi Tabatabaei, president of London-based ENEXD, a firm involved in oil and gas equipment business between the Middle East and China.

"They (IRISL) hope to become one of the biggest shipping lines in the world," said Tabatabaei, adding that NITC wants to double its tanker capacity within the next six years by buying new ships and overhauling existing ones.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-firms-push-multi-billion-134533126.html

There're many strings Chinese can pull.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Iran wants India’s assistance in revamp of Chabahar port airport

Chabahar Port project to take off soon: Niitin Gadkari

 

[republic_roi97]

Cosco Shipping, one of world's top shipping giants is controlled by Chinese. Wherever Chinese invest in port facilities globally Cosco moves in to call the port with cargo in transit, such as Piraeus, Colombo and Panama. That would boost the port's operations and hence profitability. They're perfectly complementary.

Even if Chahabar is completed on time as Indians commit, it would most likely remain as a secondary outport for handling cargo relayed from hub ports like Dubai. Cosco of course won't call Chahabar since it is investing in an UAE terminal, and is so close to Gwadar the competing port. Most other shipping lines would follow suit based on scale of economy.

Other cards in Chinese cuff include enticing Cental Asian stans or pressuring Afghans into using Gwadar to maximize its productivity.

Besides Iran relies on Chinese shipyards for shipbuilding.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-firms-push-multi-billion-134533126.html

There're many strings Chinese can pull.

India is not developing chabahar for chinese or to divert attention from gwadar, it is strategically important to India, seeing that we can have better connectivity to russia and central asian nation regardless of the fact that India-Iran trade would increase. It is being made primarily for India-Iran trade, other things have already begun. You can enjoy "friendly" environment at your big-a$$ Gwadar project. Our goal was merely to connect India with Central asia via sea and rail/road links for Indian exports and imports.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

India should start shipping service to Chabahar, say experts

 

[Indx TechStyle]

India Opens Special Account in its Annual Budget For Iranian Chabahar Port

 

[Hari Sud]

Geography is not right and population base in Central Asia is too little to build a major road network to Central Asia countries. The cost over ten years may be ten billion dollars and nobody will share it hence think before you leap.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Geography is not right and population base in Central Asia is too little to build a major road network to Central Asia countries. The cost over ten years may be ten billion dollars and nobody will share it hence think before you leap.

Chabahar isn't primary port for Indian Energy Security unlike Gwadar is for China.
It's just a way to connect to Central Asia and gaining some experience before making something similar in Gulf or Horn of Africa for protecting Hormuz strait like China does with Gwadar.

That's why India poured less than 2% (1.96% for more precision) of money used for Gwadar development & route by China while India could pour $7-8 billions to make a big difference.
Obviously, it'll be but later.

 

[roma]

Chabahar isn't primary port for Indian Energy Security unlike Gwadar is for China.
It's just a way to connect to Central Asia and gaining some experience before making something similar in Gulf or Horn of Africa for protecting Hormuz strait like China does with Gwadar.

That's why India poured less than 2% (1.96% for more precision) of money used for Gwadar development & route by China while India could pour $7-8 billions to make a big difference.
Obviously, it'll be but later.

Geography is not right and population base in Central Asia is too little to build a major road network to Central Asia countries. The cost over ten years may be ten billion dollars and nobody will share it hence think before you leap.

besides the logical reply given by member @Indx TechStyle style above, may i add the following ::-

with serious sanctions now coming from usa to iran and if we extrapolate about usa middle east relations worsening in the future, then i think we are going to see the importance of the Chhabhar port

regarding population base in CA , then are basically only recently independent - give the a bit more time .....besides present pop is 27 million (UZ ) 17 (KZ ) 5 (TK ) plus others approx 10 min and iran 60 = approx 120 million ....not too bad for a start and more from the Arabian peninsula will join in eg our relations with UAE Kuwait , many others are better than theirs with pak


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[charlie]

We can have good market in these countries. We can sell in these countries below cost price by selling it at veriable price.

Most important point we need to get US into our side both for financing as well as sending NATO supplies through this route.

For men NATO can use Pakistan.

For men they don't use Pakistan, US is using some place in manas, Kyrgyzstan for staging from Ramstein and some other part of Germany. They also use the abu dhabi route in case they are flying in from west coast.

British forces men are using the abu dhabi route there they do staging and they mostly fly in c130

Pakistan is just used for fuel and other supplies.