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What does Superman suggest will happen?
We know that Chi/Ki is yin and yang thus +/-, black and white, Chi na = Chi
it is Tao.
It includes Catholics, Israelis, Muslims, negative grow people, Genghis (see the neg?) people

Kryptonian people and world are depicted in black and white. Those black and white, binary (like computer code), +/- like a battery, people get completely destroyed when their red sun (son?) goes supernova.

Star Wars has black and white people also but it is a story from long long ago.

Perhaps Superman, like Star Trek, is a story of the future where people have color. True Hindus have orange.
 

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Xi JinPing. Jinx Jinx of the J 10 (false ten) is upon the world. Of course, for a time it will seem that what is bad for some will be good for others.
 

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A good article summarizing different views between Modi and opposition on China :


tldr : Modi & Co. believe in keeping head down and biding time since power differential with China too great, opposition (by that I mean not just political opposition but right wing people like Swamy as well) want too not be timid and push back forcibly.
 

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‘Just remove exports to US and Europe than China in spite of its size will cut down to Pakistan's Size In economy. Chinese have earned a bad name in both the US and Europe due to Covid -19, hence resistance to Chinese products is growing. I myself refused to buy a Chinese-brand dishwasher recently. My friends picked up a non-Chinese winter coat. Hence the resistance to Chinese exports is growing. Sooner than later other exporters will emerge or these two trading blocks will take away manufacturing out of China and then the Chinese will have nowhere to turn to.
The problem is simple; they have made themself indispensable to the global economy.
  1. - the supply chain mastery
  2. - the rare earth monopoly
  3. - the shipping and logistics management
  4. - the speed and scale of manufacturing

makes the CCP invincible for the next 20 years. They will gradually cut down to size but remember Chinese can simply forcefully take the IP of all the stuff foreign companies make and order them to leave empty-handed. There is nothing Western companies can do to weaken that.

Not to mention that the Chinese can then ban western goods while making copycat items to sell locally in their massive market. This would cause a loss of trillions to Western corporations which no amount of $ printing can compensate.

While Americans are friend-shoring their factories to us, Mexico, Poland, Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Colombia, etc., it would definitely be impacted if the CCP bars its massive market of 1.45 billion people since the Chinese consume only next to the Americans. Europe depends on America for security and China for FMCG goods and this is going to be more evident in the future - there is no turning back as Europe becomes a complete US colony while being allowed to buy cheaper Chinese goods for sustenance.

Until we master the 4 points above, it's not going to be easy. Even if we have to give up some aspects of liberal democracy which I'd happily give up for a stable, strong nationalist governance system.
 

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A good article summarizing different views between Modi and opposition on China :


tldr : Modi & Co. believe in keeping head down and biding time since power differential with China too great, opposition (by that I mean not just political opposition but right wing people like Swamy as well) want too not be timid and push back forcibly.
Chinese presence in our economy is strong; very strong. decoupling overnight would devastate our markets. PM Modi ji understands this dependence, which is why he does not push too hard. Dr. Swamy for all his economics and law qualifications is just bitter that he didn't get a cabinet role & uses that bitterness against him.

What PM Modi ji is doing is right in the long run for our country.
 

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Chinese presence in our economy is strong; very strong. decoupling overnight would devastate our markets. PM Modi ji understands this dependence, which is why he does not push too hard. Dr. Swamy for all his economics and law qualifications is just bitter that he didn't get a cabinet role & uses that bitterness against him.

What PM Modi ji is doing is right in the long run for our country.
the coupling of China with India’s economy happened on NPA and Congress’ watch. Modi is doing all of his might to fix the crap that NPA left
 

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China is building new railway line from Tibet to Xinjiang:


Approx route :

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Did you not know that there is a plan to connect Bilaspur (Himachal Pradesh) with Leh via railway line. Yes it will be high mountain rail line with many tunnels going over 8000 feet to 12,000 feet.

Chinese plan is worthless and the Indian plan has commercial potential.
 

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Did you not know that there is a plan to connect Bilaspur (Himachal Pradesh) with Leh via railway line. Yes it will be high mountain rail line with many tunnels going over 8000 feet to 12,000 feet.

Chinese plan is worthless and the Indian plan has commercial potential.
They are definitely not building this for commercial potential, but military infra.
 

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I feel this YT channel is worth sharing, Julian Spencer, a Canadian associate prof of security and strategic studies.

A recent lecture series on China I think is extremely informative. A few vids relevant wrt India:

The full playlist of 20+ lectures videos on China is:
 

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Chinese normie view of India.

The tone of the article is very patronizing, much like their worldview from a Middle Kingdom perspective. Despite their communism, their Qing Dynasty attitude of considering everyone beneath them has not gone. In fact, communism has exacerbated that worldview.

The way CCP has internalized their self-perception is on the other extreme of what we Indians have; an obsession to seek validation from the West. The Chinese think that their view is the final view as that is the method in which they operate internally. But when they meet resistance from others, they are shocked and don't know how to react except with entitled anger. Much like a moody 8-year-old.

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Rich coming from a country that:
  • Censors and edits data of crime statistics for the public
  • Has 0 public empathy and prefers killing anyone they accidentally hit while driving to avoid paying them compensation (there is enough evidence on Youtube posted by people)
  • Uses rhino horn, ox penis, seahorse powder, etc. to be extra long-lasting in bed

Chinese people's opinion matters little as they do not have sufficient data points to make a conclusive perception about us. They can claim the same for us, but here we have a full range of information regarding them and why they behave the way they do.

The world in which a Chinese person operates in China is very different from ours. Even if this opinion were somehow positive tomorrow, it would matter very little since the government there will not allow anything that does not align with its goals.

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The biggest mistake that the Chinese assume here is that we cannot surpass them. The communists have been successful in making grand roads and public infrastructure but at the expense of their society. There is nothing that holds modern Chinese society together.

Gone are the old days when the Chinese family was the strongest institution. It's more or less ceremonial. Just see the number of abusive cases that manage to seep through their internet censorship. I don't deny that there are assholes in our country as well but whoever they are, get exposed and arrested for abusing family members. China.. not so much.

The only thing that is holding them together is the CCP; the day it weakens (and it already is), they would make the Russia of the 90s look stable and normal.
 

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The tone of the article is very patronizing, much like their worldview from a Middle Kingdom perspective. Despite their communism, their Qing Dynasty attitude of considering everyone beneath them has not gone. In fact, communism has exacerbated that worldview.

The way CCP has internalized their self-perception is on the other extreme of what we Indians have; an obsession to seek validation from the West. The Chinese think that their view is the final view as that is the method in which they operate internally. But when they meet resistance from others, they are shocked and don't know how to react except with entitled anger. Much like a moody 8-year-old.

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Rich coming from a country that:
  • Censors and edits data of crime statistics for the public
  • Has 0 public empathy and prefers killing anyone they accidentally hit while driving to avoid paying them compensation (there is enough evidence on Youtube posted by people)
  • Uses rhino horn, ox penis, seahorse powder, etc. to be extra long-lasting in bed

Chinese people's opinion matters little as they do not have sufficient data points to make a conclusive perception about us. They can claim the same for us, but here we have a full range of information regarding them and why they behave the way they do.

The world in which a Chinese person operates in China is very different from ours. Even if this opinion were somehow positive tomorrow, it would matter very little since the government there will not allow anything that does not align with its goals.

View attachment 197186
The biggest mistake that the Chinese assume here is that we cannot surpass them. The communists have been successful in making grand roads and public infrastructure but at the expense of their society. There is nothing that holds modern Chinese society together.

Gone are the old days when the Chinese family was the strongest institution. It's more or less ceremonial. Just see the number of abusive cases that manage to seep through their internet censorship. I don't deny that there are assholes in our country as well but whoever they are, get exposed and arrested for abusing family members. China.. not so much.

The only thing that is holding them together is the CCP; the day it weakens (and it already is), they would make the Russia of the 90s look stable and normal.
A lot if not all articles are like that.
Sewer oil eaters are known for arrogance around the world.
Only thing that can change them is by being richer than them.
Chinese are money hungry and would sell their own family for money.
 

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A lot if not all articles are like that.
Sewer oil eaters are known for arrogance around the world.
The only thing that can change them is by being richer than them.
Chinese are money hungry and would sell their own family for money.
The only way this is going to go is to fight a small-scale skirmish with these guys. It would be fought at the scale of the Kargil War and nothing more because anything more would escalate beyond repair even for the CCP.

I feel that Japan is going to get a lot closer to us in the coming weeks and months.
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Whatever divergence politically we have, Kishida knows that we are their strongest bet in managing the conflicts within Asia. While the Americans are treaty-bound to protect the Japanese, so was the case with Ukiraine according to the Budapest Memorandom of 1994.

China's moves against Japan will not see resistance from the US because a) China controls the American debt market, b) fighting a war of attrition on China's home turf would be suicide for American economy for good. China can outbuild, outpace and out-mobilize the Americans in this region.

That leaves only us as the resident power who understand the Japanese position and have the guts to fight the PLA head-on.
 

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After Bhutan PM's Statement Its Time India Lets Go of Bhutan or Assimilates It https://rbt-defense.blogspot.com/20...me.html?sc=1680183634964#c4111246384147936965
Or we need to take a leaf out of Victoria Nuland's book and restore the pro-Indian monarchy? Bhutanese royalty have been loyal partners to India and understand what it means to us. The democratic transition means that political parties can be funded. Having the king have all power makes more sense to us.
 

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Or we need to take a leaf out of Victoria Nuland's book and restore the pro-Indian monarchy? Bhutanese royalty have been loyal partners to India and understand what it means to us. The democratic transition means that political parties can be funded. Having the king have all power makes more sense to us.
We tried that with Nepal monarchy and it turned out to be a disaster.
 

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