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The Chinese are doing something very clever in order to take over more Indian territory even with fewer troops. They mass troops many kms deep in Indian territory at one location. The Indian Army reacts by putting soldiers near the Chinese position. Meanwhile the Chinese construct permanent reinforced bunkers with artillery behind their position. Once the position behind them (but still several kms deep into Indian territory) is well-reinforced, they retreat a few kms, then mass troops somewhere else on the border and repeat the process. This way they construct permanent strongholds several kms deep into Indian territory and gain hardened positions in strategically advantageous land, all without losing one soldier. And all thanks to India's unwillingness to fire the first shot even as the enemy takes over Indian territory.
 

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Anybody in this forum. Touch your heart and say honestly. Do you for a second think RG would stand up to Xi the way modi does.
Hell no.
No disrespect to RG or his fans.
RG is a puppet and will only move according to which string is pulled.

I don't want RG and his entire family/clan to have anything to do with India.

If the Mafia clan doesn't have money, we can crowd fund a one way ticket to Italy and bid them a royal 'fuck off' at their place of departure.

This present and future Congress can't be nationalist. Ten years of UPA were enough for most Indian's to understand these snakes are more dangerous than the Pakis themselves as they will hand over parts of India to all and sundry without any resistance.
 

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RG is a puppet and will only move according to which string is pulled.

I don't want RG and his entire family/clan to have anything to do with India.

If the Mafia clan doesn't have money, we can crowd fund a one way ticket to Italy and bid them a royal 'fuck off' at their place of departure.

This present and future Congress can't be nationalist. Ten years of UPA were enough for most Indian's to understand these snakes are more dangerous than the Pakis themselves as they will hand over parts of India to all and sundry without any resistance.
They just need to say they want to go back,

not just there ticket we will crowd fund a whole two seater aircraft for both.

Even after seeing prince harry episode people feel its love heck its honeytrap.

and Rajiv was also part of it.
 

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The Chinese are doing something very clever in order to take over more Indian territory even with fewer troops. They mass troops many kms deep in Indian territory at one location. The Indian Army reacts by putting soldiers near the Chinese position. Meanwhile the Chinese construct permanent reinforced bunkers with artillery behind their position. Once the position behind them (but still several kms deep into Indian territory) is well-reinforced, they retreat a few kms, then mass troops somewhere else on the border and repeat the process. This way they construct permanent strongholds several kms deep into Indian territory and gain hardened positions in strategically advantageous land, all without losing one soldier. And all thanks to India's unwillingness to fire the first shot even as the enemy takes over Indian territory.
You need to understand that there is not a single point where pla intrude. They intrude into no man's land . Our LAC control is only till f4. Same with galwan valley. The reason at that place escalation happen in the first place was construction of sheds by pla at PP14, which is where LAC runs just like in F4. also over the previous years they had constructed like in Kargil war roads till F4. They are just making there holds strong over these no man's land over the years. Now one can also say that when constructed roads(f4)and bunkers(f5) that territory was there's but again it's disputed and it can be claimed latter when we are prepared to do just like POK. You need to understand that LAC means line of actual control and then there are buffer zones which I like to call no man's land. Patrol from both sides are officially allowed but in reality we repeatedly stop each other patrol. The real reason they did this was to send a message that if we make new routes to patrol these lands , then don't except us to sit silent. During Modi govt. Modi has given a lot of freedom to forces that's what happens last year in 2019 winter times where we find a new route to patrol till Finger 7. What we need right now is to give boost to our defence budget at least once in 5 years in each govt. Terms . The boost should be of 50 billion dollars in 5 years for the next 2-3 decades and half of that money should be spent on indigenous equipments.
 

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That is very fine sir. Those things are meant to be done. Neither meant to be professed not advertised.
We want to take Gilgit back. Is it discussed in public platform or not? You may have to make an ideological background before the things are done on ground.

Second thing is that it is my suggestion to Bhutan. I don't say that India should occupy it for forcefully like china occupied Tibet.
 

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NSA Ajit Doval Held 2-hour Call With China's Foreign Min; De-escalation 'progress' At LAC
In a major breakthrough at the LAC on Monday, sources report that NSA Ajit Doval held a two-hour-long video call with Foreign Minister of China Wang Yi

Sources add that India and China Special Representatives for Boundary Talks too had a cordial telephonic conversation on Sunday focusing on maintaining peace and working together to avoid such incidents in the future. The MEA will shortly issue a statement on the talks held.

China confirms pullback
After sources confirmed that Chinese Army had removed tents from Patrol point 14, Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Lijian Zhao confirmed that both countries have progressed in disengaging and de-escalating the border situation in the June 30 Military commander-level talks. Previously, China had put the onus completely on India, accusing India of trying to change the status quo at the LAC. Zhao had infact claimed that the 'entire Galwan Valley' belonged to China, which contradicted previous Indo-Chinese agreements.

China pulls back: sources
Earlier in the day, sources reported that disengagement with the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) has started as per agreed terms in the Corps Commander's meeting. Sources add that the Chinese PLA have reportedly removing tents and structures at Patrol Point 14 -- the place where the Galwan Valley faceoff took place and are likely to move back by 1 km. Moreover, sources said that rearward movement of vehicles of Chinese troops was seen in the general area of Galwan and Gogra Hot Springs. This move also comes two days after PM Modi's visit to Ladakh.

Indo-China talks
The third meeting between Indian and Chinese senior military commanders at Chushul on June 30 emphasised on 'expeditious, phased, and stepwise de-escalation'. In the previous talks between the two sides, India demanded a return to status quo in April, asking the Chinese to remove the additional buildup done in the Galwan and Pangong Tso areas. In diplomatic talks too between External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar and Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi, both sides have maintained that the situation would be handled in a responsible manner and India and China shall hold more meetings to arrive at a mutually agreeable solution and to ensure peace along the LAC as per bilateral agreements.
 

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I hope the lessons learnt from this round of escalation include:

1) AD/SAM numbers needs improvement, to cover atleast 4000 km on both sides at same time. (QRSAM,MRSAM)

2) Arty needs 100-150 kms range weapon system


3) domestic satellite imagery experts in private domain, with images being generated from Indian satellites. For ex: Maxar (US based) has 6000 employees.

4) Mobility & kit for troops stationed on LAC needs to be reviewed.

5) start preparing for next round of escalations with PLA, which are due pre-2024 elections.
Fat chance. There will be some token noises and after some it will be business as usual where even procurement of a pistol will take a decade or two. We only wake up when there is a crisis. If the govt uses this opportunity to increase the defence budget and streamline procurement then nothing like it. We need to get rid of this tendering business. For international procurements just go the govt-govt route.
 

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I think it is safe to say, ultimately the inflection point in this round of escalation is what them boyz of 16 Bihar & 3 Punjab did to PLAGF on the night of 15/16 June 2020.


as I always keep saying, Few Good Men.. it always boils down to a few good men.
 

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I think it is safe to say, ultimately the inflection point in this round of escalation is what them boyz of 16 Bihar & 3 Punjab did to PLAGF on the night of 15/16 June 2020.


as I always keep saying, Few Good Men.. it always boils down to a few good men.
True . The whole credit goes to the brave sons of this land who took all the hits and thrashed the chincoms.
We should never allow someone else to take credit for 2020. The families of our soldiers have made the biggest possible sacrifice . We and our future generations will always be indebted to them.
 

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another one such example :)

if this is an internal govt order then how come this twitter handle comes to know about this? who the fduck is leaking such information.

now our enemy know we don't have winter clothes :pound:good job social media.

There is no 'leak'

Without getting into the QM issues of an infantry battalion in high altitude, can assure you that there is no dearth of equipment should push come to a shove.
 

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There is no 'leak'

Without getting into the QM issues of an infantry battalion in high altitude, can assure you that there is no dearth of equipment should push come to a shove.
@Hellfire
What has been conceded by Indian government for de escalation? Or Did we concede nothing ?
 

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Let us not be gullible and think that War clouds have dissipated. 1 Km pull back by either side is a token pull back. Redeployment can happen as quickly, if the understanding breaks down. China cannot be trusted. China is going nowhere, don't forget that Bhutan border issue has been lit up by China. China is just repositioning tactically to bite where it thinks it is strong. it's alliance with Pakistan is evil and targeted at us. We need to keep our guard up and continue preparing for a 2.5 front war.

However we do need to take a pause and thank "Galwan ke Balwan", our "special friend Israel" and also USA, France, Russia, Japan and Australia for being on our side "this time". Their powerplay in SCS and assistance with weaponry has certainly counted in Chinese calculations.

Govt. should learn from this episode. Our foreign and trade policies towards China should change visibly on ground. Trade surplus cannot be used to appease China. China does not understand appeasement. It understands the language of military and economic strength. Our Economy should be decoupled from China at any cost, look at Australia and Pakistan if anyone has an iota of doubt about it. Defense should be considered a basic need where "Atma-nirbharta" need a determined push, along with increased spending on R&D, indigenous capacity building and acquisitions.

I just want to close with a thought here; why not make General V K Singh or Ajit Doval our Defense Minister; how do we get this message across!
 

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@Hellfire
What has been conceded by Indian government for de escalation? Or Did we concede nothing ?
SARCASM ON:

Ask @hit&run ... as per him, my pay grade is too low to know this and he has enough contacts within GoI to know what precisely is happening.

Just head a few scores of pages back, comments indirectly on my tweet posted here over de-escalation and preparation for de-induction.

I have no clue sir.

SARCASM OFF


Have answered earlier. Status quo. Not status quo ante.

And, let me be filmy and as usual indirect.

"You can not handle the truth"

Chanakya (self appointed/proclaimed) thought themselves too smart. Sat on info of mobilization. Got caught with pants down.

Now what one calls - CYA aka Cover Your Ass, going on.

I have oft tweeted, why Home Minister is quiet now :)

Now tough boy act of showing one of the so called 'brains' and 'grand strategists' wanting to hit China hard by spreading it around in the echelons and corridors of power. :D
 

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I'm not sure this is over. Jinping cannot go back without a victory unless people within CCP and Chinese people are satisfied. This may be a tactical retreat. Never trust the chinese.
 
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